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Google Has Four Separate Classes for Workers?

I'm not seeing a problem here. I work as a construction laborer while i'm going through college, and guess what? I don't get a company vehicle to drive and I don't get health insurance (like the full time, skilled workers do). He wasn't fired, he was removed from the team that was working at Google. He still has a job with the company that he worked for. Also, what was with all the remarks about race? Sounds like he was looking for some additional income in the form of a book or lawsuit.
 
I'll just echo what most other people have said...This is how most businesses work.

Subcontracted employees are contracted by companies they are not employees of the company so they don't get the same benefits.

Hourly employees or low skilled laborers are also hired with specific duties that for good reason don't get the same pay/benefits.
 
To be honest, I'm not sure I get it. It's perfectly understandable that not everyone who works in Google buildings gets gourmet meals, flexible hours, and ski trips. It doesn't sound like the "yellow badges" were being treated inhumanely; they just didn't get quite so much comfort as most of the other employees. Usually I hear this type of narration over a video of starving kids walking in the dirt, not people in suits walking out of a glass building into their cars.

Why Google would be so concerned with this guy talking to other employees is a mystery, but I wouldn't be so quick to assume it's a cover up. Maybe the project really was confidential? Or maybe they just didn't want the media hyping up a story "exposing" Google's racist business practices for not letting everyone go to Disneyland (which sounds to me like exactly what this guy was going to release).
 
Modred189 said:
Wait. SO this guy is surprised he lost his job?
Lets see...
- He works on one of the most secure business campuses in the world.
- For one of the most security-minded businesses in the world. (well, as a sub Ker)
- With video cameras, which inherently represent security risks, doing a job for which I guarantee he signed multiple forms prohibiting this kind of activity.
- He used company material for personal purposes during work hours.
- To interview employees about confidential work that has all kinds of issues around it, including on-going litigation. Employees whose work is sensitive enough that they don't get anything that can allow for material to leave their building (mentioned backpacks, phones and flashdrives)
- And then apparently lied about NOT having footage while mocking the person confronting him about his actions.

This guy's a moron, and if anyone is surprise, shocked or appalled about Google's response, then they have no idea what corporate america is about...
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+1 Maybe he is very young and has no experience dealing with mega corporations.
 
The dotcom I used to work at had a color system as well. I can't remember all of them but these are the three I do are

Red=Security
Yellow=Temp
Green=Regular employees such as stockbrokers, supervisors or management

I remember being shown a security operations center where every time someone used their badge.. and you HAD to use the badge to get into all entrances and elevators, it showed a picture of your face on one monitor and the picture they had on file for you would immediately pop up next to it.

I remember people getting into trouble for lending their badges to other people to go smoke and having them pulled into a managers office over it. This was back in 2000.
 
CharonPDX said:
Uh, i'ts called "contractor". This is 100% standard behavior in the tech industry. Just see Intel's "blue badge" vs. "green badge". This is nothing strange at all. I bet NONE of the contractors are "supposed" to have access to all the perks. I know, as a green-badge at Intel, I wasn't supposed to have any of the perks - yet I got many of them anyway.
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awm, I'm tellin!! :D
 
I don't know the details of this video (It's too long to watch right now) but you can blame Microsoft's temps for this. Microsoft used to treat its temps fairly well, and they sued for not being treated well enough. Now, all companies have to make sure that temps get denied a bunch of benefits.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permatemp#Vizcaino_v._Microsoft

TL;DR: If you give me most of the benefits that an employee gets, I'm going to sue for the rest.

Disclaimer: I do work for google, and it does suck that our temps can't be treated better.
 
Enduring_Warrior said:
You don't get it do you? I guess you either need common sense. A sense of self respect. The knowledge of what loosing your freedom means or a serious level of social studies and a heart to care about it.
That video and the guy claims go to prove that society hasn't changed in anything since the industrial revolution. And I'm using industrial revolution as a reference to what he mentions on his video. It's the same crap with another cover.
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Uhhh....and?

It's what you want? You vote for it every day with your wallet with virtually every purchase you make and everything you do. (Unless you don't own an Intel or AMD processor; never use Google, Yahoo, or Bing search engines; don't have any Apple products; don't shop at Wal*Mart, K-Mart, Safeway; etc)
 
Dude needs to shut the fk up and do his job.
At a base or Ops building/location or HQ he would have a gun pointing at his head and put into a brig until further notice.
This works the same for any major tech company. This was all learned this from the US military.
Nothing new.. Moving along...
 
Modred189 said:
Wait. SO this guy is surprised he lost his job?
Lets see...
- He works on one of the most secure business campuses in the world.
- For one of the most security-minded businesses in the world. (well, as a sub Ker)
- With video cameras, which inherently represent security risks, doing a job for which I guarantee he signed multiple forms prohibiting this kind of activity.
- He used company material for personal purposes during work hours.
- To interview employees about confidential work that has all kinds of issues around it, including on-going litigation. Employees whose work is sensitive enough that they don't get anything that can allow for material to leave their building (mentioned backpacks, phones and flashdrives)
- And then apparently lied about NOT having footage while mocking the person confronting him about his actions.

This guy's a moron, and if anyone is surprise, shocked or appalled about Google's response, then they have no idea what corporate america is about...
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Agreed. Filming people without there consent on the company dime and time .. is anyone really surprised? He's writing an article that reveals what these workers are doing which is directly against the agreement he signed and acknowledged.

If I had filmed security guards outside of the Nevada test site in Mercury where I worked at on point in my life , I would have been arrested , my camera destroyed , put into a holding cell for a minimum of 48 hours where I then would have been transfered to the county court and charged with violating my agreement and jepordizing national security by filming a sensitive classified government installation.
 
This is stupid, changing this is the same as making every single person's salary the same. And recording other people work, I'm sure is a violation of privacy, unless you have permission to do so (or something like that), so I'm not at all surprised.
 
I wonder how many people on here read the whole thing and listen to the video. A lot of asinine comments on here. Anyway pretty weird. weird enough that I imagine his post might be taken down and we'll probably never hear any follow up.
 
Godmachine said:
Agreed. Filming people without there consent on the company dime and time .. is anyone really surprised? He's writing an article that reveals what these workers are doing which is directly against the agreement he signed and acknowledged.

If I had filmed security guards outside of the Nevada test site in Mercury where I worked at on point in my life , I would have been arrested , my camera destroyed , put into a holding cell for a minimum of 48 hours where I then would have been transfered to the county court and charged with violating my agreement and jepordizing national security by filming a sensitive classified government installation.
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The military even screens our cameras and phones when we have public airsoft games at MOUT facilities and other military training fields. Cameras are bad near secretive places.
 
Json23 said:
Makes me wonder if the yellow badges are government workers in disguise..
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They isolate them from anybody else there, design all policies to keep them separate (more so than even other contracted jobs), make them call security if anybody tries to talk to them, and security describes them as 'extremely confidential people'. If they're REALLY just scanning public books into an online system that is publicly readable there would be absolutely no need for all that.

So, what's really going on in that building then? Any theories?
 
Google isn't the government or military. No real surprise on how contractors are treated but the way they handled this is fucked up. I doubt that there was anything sensitive going on in that building. Google did not want to look bad so they made sure the guy got fired or resigned. They look much worse to me for how they dealt with this than what the original topic was.
 
Its really not strange that different levels of workers have different benefits. Do you think the line workers at X company have the same benefits as the divisional office? I worked at a company that was a bit opposite. The manufacturing workers had a union so they got some better benefits like cheaper lunch and etc. Normal division employee's and higher grade employees had different insurance rates and I believe the normal employee's paid less for the same medical benefits.

Also at companies like Boeing they have multiple different unions from machinist to engineering and non-union workers its not always a "fair" system.
 
Yup, I'll echo - every large tech company does this. My badge gets me into 99% of our campus, but my pay doesn't really reflect that ;)
 
wah my pussy hurts. get over it. so what if he was treated differently. if you dont like your job then leave you bastard. people think that they have the right to force company into doing things that they want. if its a privately owned business then the owner of that business should have the right to run his business as he wants.
 
LOL welcome to being a contractor moron.

Jesus, people are such crying little wussies now-a-days.
 
I feel I'm owed 10 minutes of my life back for watching this anticipating some outrageous something or other. this is how it is at every company I ever worked for, what's the big deal. It sounds like his video company is the shitty company, not google anyway. what did I miss?

Also I think i would have fired this guy for his emo voice over if nothing else. lol.
 
Shocking... Contractor =/= full time employee... am I supposed to be surprised?
 
sleeper52 said:
somebody needs to explain this sh*t...
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He noticed most of the people in the yellow badge only building are "people of color". He is mad that Google doesn't give the following perks to the people working in the yellow badge building:

1)google bikes
2)google shuttle bus
3)free food
4)free google talks with free signed books by the author
5)walk other places on campus, obviously security sensitive issue
6)backpacks
7)thumbdrives
8)mobile devices, whatever that is
8)he is also upset they couldn't socialize with non yellow badged employees, obviously because they work in off limits areas that are security sensitive

He is mad security stopped him from video taping and interviewing employees.

He may also be upset that he himself did not get:
1)ski trips
2)Disney vacations
3)stock options
4)holiday cash bonuses

He is also seems upset they leave work at the same time on a 4am-2pm shift, or he comes off as being upset by it, I can't really tell.

He thinks Google isn't treating the yellow badge employees fairly. Maybe he feels it is a little piece of Google China right here in the USA?

My cynicism tells me his intention was to dig for dirt on Google. I am sure he probably would have made a nice name for himself if he could manage to expose Google as being evil by getting some inside dirt straight from the workers in the yellow badge building. He says he was going to quit in 2 months to go to grad school anyway. He must have presumed that since yellow badge workers didn't get the same perks as him that their lives must be a living hell.

I didn't hear him say anything about bad pay, stressful working conditions, or a lack of medical coverage. He has probably had a very privileged life and has no experience working with large companies.
 
conscript said:
Actually, I have zero affiliations with google, and never have, and never will have the desire to work for them. Not sure how you came to that conclusion or it's relevance.

My point was that there are"ranks" in every walk of life, and whether it's as blatant as different color badges, or if it's much less obvious of where you are on the corporate ladder, these types of rankings exist in all walks of life, from corporate america, government, military, and yes, even school. Oh wait, you never heard of upperclassman housing on campus where seniors can live in nicer apartments, while freshman live small concrete squares?

People who have issue with human nature are hypocritical by definition. Think about that one.
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Since English lacks the power of implication and requires a huge level of detail. Specially for engineering, technical types. Let's put it like this. Google is not what it promises to be. It is what it is. Hence why I wouldn't work there.
 
waa waaa boo hoo Next your going to wine that people make more money than you. Welcome to capitalism. Reward is based on your value.
 
I'll be honest and say I'd rather be a colored badge wearing grunt at Google than to be working where I'm at now. For one the pay's probably significantly better, and working at Google even as a fucking toilet bowl cleaner would probably carry more weight towards a next job than my current SUPERVISOR title does.
 
FSCDiablo said:
How dare they not give low skilled minimum wage contractors free food and limo rides. Barbaric!
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exactly,

most every company has perks for certain level workers, this is nothing new.....but since it is google, somehow it is evil!!
 
watching it now....

Okay this guy is upset he wasn't allowed to go to Disney land at other trips... wow, no thumb drives, or back packs, oh noes!

people should be happy they have a dam job! if not leave, no one is forcing people to work these jobs.

my company owner has a private jet, thats not fair! i should have a private jet.

Sorry this guy sounds like he wants all people to be on an equal level, doesnt work like that.
 
Breaking News: Google treats its employees better than people who are not its employees... More at eleven!!!
 
bigdaveberg said:
Thats not right. I hope someone bitches about it and they get in trouble. Wow. Simply wow. Google -1 in my book.
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Grow up. Work is not a happy social fun pace. Different jobs get different perks, welcome to the real word.

This guy is a self important idiot who doesnt see anything wrong with asking sensitive questions of his employers. Not very bright.

MOST employers would have fired him too, ask any HR director.

"thats not really philosophical" what an egghead douche.
 
Good grief. This guy wasn't a Google employee, he was a contractor. So are the Yellow Badges. He should talk to his real employer if he is unsatisfied with his benefits.

Why was it important for this a-hole to mention that the security guy was white? He implying racism, but he is really the one making judgments by appearance.

Google was well within it rights to fire him. Hopefully no other company makes the mistake of hiring him.
 
This is standard in tech. Contractors and vendors are employees of their respective agencies. They dont get the perks of full timers. Thats the way it works and has worked for decades.

Hello, and welcome to IT'S BEEN THIS WAY FOREVER.
 
This guy is smart. Equal treatment for all is what people like me like to call progress. Remember the saying absolute power corrupts absolutly? Equality prevents this by giving everybody the same amount of power. You cannot trust people with power to give you equality. You can only give it to yourself. People with power only want more power and that is just the nature of the beast. We are all the same, every one of us. Exactly equal in every catagory. Every person should have all the oppurtunities everybody else has.
 
Agent.Nihilist said:
Pfft, he's lucky he din't go anyplace indigo, would have been killed on the spot!
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Your friend, Google, would like to remind you that entering or possessing knowledge of areas above your security clearance is treason. Please report to IntSec for mandatory mindscrubbing and reassignment to the FoodVats. Your security clearance is now InfraRed. Have a nice day.
 
It also works when one has more power over another. In this case the one with more power is more corrupt. Power carries with it corruption that needs to be kept in check.
 
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