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I think 9 to 10 fans in a case has been common in build videos since 2018 or so…

As for 4 NVMe, most boards now support it. The 5th one probably requires an add in card that most boards don’t come with.

6 SSDs again is a rare occasion. I have 4 SSDs and it was a pain in the ass with a Lian Li Evo.
 
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Build videos are so BS. Often never see them dealing with 5 nvme's, 6 ssd's, 9 fans, etc.
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Yeah for me I'm dealing with 2 nvmes, 2 SSDs, and 4 HDDs. Finding a midtower case that supports all that was a little tricky. Case makers are following suit with these gamer builds with just 1 nvme and 2 SSDs as storage at most.
 
I do use some number of fans, though I moved to AiO radiators for cpu and gpu (never went full custom water loop), and so ended up with arrays of fans on radiators. With that kind of setup, I end up with less "lone" fans, at least outside of fans the case walls/perimeter as intake and export.

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9 to 10 fans in a case has been common in build videos since 2018 or so
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I guess overall if including the radiators and front case fans, plus one or more on the rear of the case, my last build overall had something like 10 fans if you include the PSU fan. That's pretty accurate to your estimation, but that was including a few AiO radiators and some of the fans being doubled up as push/pull sandwiches or stages.

Regarding drives, I moved to using a networked pc as a drive mule a long time ago personally. At least since back to when intel quad 6600 overclock-able chips were a thing around 2008. A lot of people use NAS boxes now though, similarly. Once gigabit lan happened (or higher now), that type of setup was even more useful. The fact that with gigabit internet I can download or re-download steam games within minutes, and steam saves the save games (usually) also makes banking a pile of less important games less necessary if I'm not playing them.

Even if not building a pc specifically for that entirely, you can "hand-me-down", using your old pc's parts or rebuild it into a smaller case, etc. the next time you upgrade. I get that some people like at least some pairs or triples of drives for raid redundancy/recovery, but with m.2 ssd's, doing that for the speed increase isn't really as big of a draw anymore on OS and gaming drives imo, and if you do periodic backups regularly, the recovery part of the equation is usually covered. It can also help to keep docs and images, workfiles, etc on a separate drive from the OS drive, and back that up or incremental mirror it elswhere (to banking "non-duty drives") every night or every so many days (can even use google drive or other cloud service on top of that if desired for smaller things like encrypted docs and some photos).

Having a separate rig (or NAS) as your file bank is also nice for accessing files and getting media served to various pcs and devices in your house, independent of whether or not your main/gaming rig is turned on. Keeping your drive bank on a networked device also won't bog down your gaming/work rig when you are doing demanding things on the remote device like compression/decompressing using all the cores and resources, recording multiple videos or muxing/converting videos and sound files, backup operations, etc., or doing several things at once. You can also update+reboot the rigs independently of each other, which has benefits, like every time you reboot your pc or reboot into bios (or your pc/game crashes in rare cases) no longer cutting off access to those drives from all of the other devices in your house, doing demanding things on your main pc not bogging down file serving access or other duties/routines (and/or vice-versa), and not losing monitoring and monitoring data, interrupting automation routines, etc. when they are instead running on the file-mule/server/controller rig. It's much better for my purposes to have an independent "mule" rig for various duties, keeping my pc gaming rig separate. In the past I built things like that q6600, but in other times I just used my old rig when I upgraded. My current "mule" rig is a relatively affordable amd system I built a few years ago.
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A very long time ago I used to load up whatever my current gaming rig was in whatever full tower case, full of drives. I evolved/migrated to using separate pc with backplanes of hot swap drives, and then along with a separate rig entirely as a file+duty mule, and then a separate rig alone as drives got larger and more affordable. Especially now, with the performance, price, and available sizes of m.2 drives for my main rig, the speed of at least gigabit WAN and LAN being available to me, and that along with the affordability of mid tier amd rigs or just doing a "hand-me-down" of parts from my previous rig when I upgrade - personally I have no reason to make my gaming rig into a drive bank anymore . 🤷‍♂️
 
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Wanted to share some results with my 5090. Still working the card so not final. Uses full 600 Watts (seen as high as 645 watts).
Stock it runs around 2900 MHz. With overclock +200c +2000m it runs at 3100 MHz (give or take).
Temps are 72-76 C maxed out.

Benches (w/ OC):
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/53816820 I scored 38 102 in Time Spy
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/3278486 I scored 39 855 in Port Royal (since then I have an above 40 K PR but it didn't register - some bug in driver)
https://www.3dmark.com/sn/4170630 I scored 15 025 in Steel Nomad
https://www.3dmark.com/sw/1943472 I scored 15 575 in Speed Way (87 in HOF right now)

Stock run with BO6 first image
Undervolt run with BO6 second image

Dropped 100 watts and about 3-5 C temps in Cyberpunk 2077 with undervolt.

0 performance loss going from 2900 MHz to 2820 MHz. Cyberpunk bench ran at 120 fps same settings before and after.
 

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Wanted to share some results with my 5090. Still working the card so not final. Uses full 600 Watts (seen as high as 645 watts).
Stock it runs around 2900 MHz. With overclock +200c +2000m it runs at 3100 MHz (give or take).
Temps are 72-76 C maxed out.

Benches (w/ OC):
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/53816820 I scored 38 102 in Time Spy
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/3278486 I scored 39 855 in Port Royal (since then I have an above 40 K PR but it didn't register - some bug in driver)
https://www.3dmark.com/sn/4170630 I scored 15 025 in Steel Nomad
https://www.3dmark.com/sw/1943472 I scored 15 575 in Speed Way (87 in HOF right now)

Stock run with BO6 first image
Undervolt run with BO6 second image

Dropped 100 watts and about 3-5 C temps in Cyberpunk 2077 with undervolt.

0 performance loss going from 2900 MHz to 2820 MHz. Cyberpunk bench ran at 120 fps same settings before and after.
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Those are awesome numbers. Check out Indiana Jones path traced with frame gen and DLAA. You may find the additional clock speed matters in that game as it might shave off a bit of latency.

Is it actually stable with +2000Mhz on the memory? Did i read that right? I just add +150 core but I didn’t see a big difference in Speedway. I have not oc’d the memory.
 
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Those are awesome numbers. Check out Indiana Jones path traced with frame gen and DLAA. You may find the additional clock speed matters in that game as it might shave off a bit of latency.

Is it actually stable with +2000Mhz on the memory? Did i read that right? I just add +150 core but I didn’t see a big difference in Speedway. I have not oc’d the memory.
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+2000 is the slider. TPU said that actual is +375 and all cards they tested were stable at that. Will try Indiana for sure.

I love this card. It is such a huge improvement from my 4090 - something I didn’t expect. At 4K 240 it really does matter.
 
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+2000 is the slider. TPU said that actual is +375 and all cards they tested were stable at that. Will try Indiana for sure.

I love this card. It is such a huge improvement from my 4090 - something I didn’t expect. At 4K 240 it really does matter.
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+375 is before the quad data rate multiplication, so effective rate would be +1500.
 
Anyone getting random black screens? I've tried every driver for this thing and it's been happening (was also starting to happen to my 4090).
 
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Anyone getting random black screens? I've tried every driver for this thing and it's been happening (was also starting to happen to my 4090).
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Have you done a clean driver install? I had to use DDU in safe mode and then install the standalone driver for the first 3 drivers that supported the 50 series to get them to work right with my 4090.
 
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Anyone getting random black screens? I've tried every driver for this thing and it's been happening (was also starting to happen to my 4090).
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yup, ddu and reinstall the new one. if its still acting odd, make sure the mobo bios is up to date adn them look at psu maybe...
 
I also used DDU in safe mode and then shut down. Installed 5090 and booted it and installed drivers normally.
 
Last night I oc’d my FE to +400 core, +2000 memory. Speedway looked like it was flying, but score was only 14,600. Cop, what is your secret?

I know my CPU is getting warm, hence my moving into a new Phanteks NV9 with 11 140mm Infinity fans and an aio this Spring.

We really need 3D Mark to come out with a Frame Gen latency benchmark.
 
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Last night I oc’d my FE to +400 core, +2000 memory. Speedway looked like it was flying, but score was only 14,600. Cop, what is your secret?

I know my CPU is getting warm, hence my moving into a new Phanteks NV9 with 11 140mm Infinity fans and an aio this Spring.

We really need 3D Mark to come out with a Frame Gen latency benchmark.
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What is your out of the box boost?
I am only running my CPU at 5.3 GHz. I can run it at 5.425 GHz but just don’t feel like.

As for Speedway it seems to be sensitive to temps a lot. Might want to consider running fans at 100% and giving it a shot. Also ensure all programs are turned off and your memory timings are super tight.
 
The overclock is very noticeable in Indiana Jones 4K DLAA, Full Path Tracing. The game for real now, it looks and plays incredible which just simply not possible on 3090.
 
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What is your out of the box boost?
I am only running my CPU at 5.3 GHz. I can run it at 5.425 GHz but just don’t feel like.

As for Speedway it seems to be sensitive to temps a lot. Might want to consider running fans at 100% and giving it a shot. Also ensure all programs are turned off and your memory timings are super tight.
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5425MHz on the cpu, pegged.
 
Got my CPU up to 5425 for some benches and also tried the undervolt.

Max overclock Speedway - was 89 in HOF https://www.3dmark.com/sw/1957502 15621
Undervolt Speedway - https://www.3dmark.com/sw/1957595 15427
Undervolt Steel Nomad - https://www.3dmark.com/sn/4246997 15509
Undervolt PR - https://www.3dmark.com/pr/3286178 39503
Undervolt Timespy - https://www.3dmark.com/spy/53911058 38468

975 mV @ 2900 MHz average and 550 watts. Not much but I will take what I can get without sacrificing a shred of performance.

Ok undervolt worked in tons of stuff but RDR2 crashed. So back to drawing board.
 

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Do not overclock FE, you will spray your card, Cop has a Gainward RTX 5090 Phantom, that card is sure to get better than FE probably in everything, plus if you get a good copy of a chip that goes high.
 
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Got my CPU up to 5425 for some benches and also tried the undervolt.

Max overclock Speedway - was 89 in HOF https://www.3dmark.com/sw/1957502 15621
Undervolt Speedway - https://www.3dmark.com/sw/1957595 15427
Undervolt Steel Nomad - https://www.3dmark.com/sn/4246997 15509
Undervolt PR - https://www.3dmark.com/pr/3286178 39503
Undervolt Timespy - https://www.3dmark.com/spy/53911058 38468



Ok undervolt worked in tons of stuff but RDR2 crashed. So back to drawing board.
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RDR2 has problems with MSI afterburner and drivers, one driver is doing everything right, and with another version he does not work by no means.
Now works OK with this older version Nvidia driver for me, I haven't tried the new drivers.
 
It is best to run the RDR2 benchmark and then you find that benchmarks in Folder Desktops under the Rockstar Games and RDR2(notepade documents)
There you have latencies and everything else.
And then copy it all here.
 
Anyways, here are the results of daily 4090 TUF that I had clocked up (about 2820 MHz core and +1100 memory) with RTX 5090 stock. This is for how I play games. Some surprising results as I did not understand what happened with Hogwarts Legacy (did Ray Reconstruction get introduced in past 3 months or so). Unfortunately, my 4090 benchmarks are old from when I got the 9800X3D - about 3 months ago. All FG is 2X.

System specs
DDR5 6000 CL30
Windows 11 24H2
4K 240 Hz DLSS Quality when available, HDR on
9800X3D - PBO - 20/+75 and bulldzoid ram timings (daily driver)9800X3D PBO -20/+75 and bulldzoid ram timings (daily driver)Difference
DriversNvidia drivers 566.36Nvidia drivers 572.70
Graphics cardRTX 4090 TUF +150/+1100RTX 5090 @ Stock
9800X3D Max Core Frequency (MHz)52905290
Max Temps (C)90 (limited)90 (limited)
Max Volts (V)1.231.23
Cinebench R20904691521%
Cinebench R2323019233892%
Cinebench R24138014022%
CPU-Z Bench SC823818-1%
CPU-Z Bench MC889989190%
Ass Creed Mirage15818115%
Shadow of Tomb Raider18123027%
Far Cry 6 (no FSR)12517238%
Ghost Recon Breakpoint (no upscaling) DX1111717247%
Cyberpunk 2077 (DLSS FG ON)7112576%
Forza Horizon 5 (FG on)18122323%
Horizon Zero Dawn Remastered17321927%
Hogwarts Legacy (Hogsmead Area walkthrough)1151259%
Valley Benchmark (MSAA 8X)111.4189.870%
Superposition (4K Optimized)336614610737%
Red Dead Redemption11514930%
Heaven Benchmark (MSAA 8X)114.6184.761%
Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition (Extreme preset)112.3139.925%
Stalker 2 (FG ON, DLAA)9812831%
 
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RDR2 has problems with MSI afterburner and drivers, one driver is doing everything right, and with another version he does not work by no means.
Now works OK with this older version Nvidia driver for me, I haven't tried the new drivers.
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If this is true are you implying my undervolt is stable and its the game causing the issue. As my undervolt was working fine on everything else.
 
Everything should be tested with the same drivers and as much of it as possible should be the same...games are constantly getting updates, drivers are changing, Windows is getting updates, chipsets,mbo getting new bios, there are a lot of factors...All of this affects the final fps
 
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If this is true are you implying my undervolt is stable and its the game causing the issue. As my undervolt was working fine on everything else.
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When your RDR2 game crashes? If you start the ingame bench and it crashes almost immediately, then it's up to msi afterburner and drivers.
 
No, I tried the undervolt in Stalker 2 now and that also crashed so it’s not stable. Will need to try again. Just don’t feel like it as I have been tuning for past 3 hours. Time to game.
 
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Do not overclock FE, you will spray your card, Cop has a Gainward RTX 5090 Phantom, that card is sure to get better than FE probably in everything, plus if you get a good copy of a chip that goes high.
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I’m not going go touch voltage, but I can’t hurt the card just messin’ with frequency, right?
 
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I’m not going go touch voltage, but I can’t hurt the card just messin’ with frequency, right?
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You can as it will draw more power than what cable might allow... I have seen mine go up to 645 watts with overclock. Technically 675 watts is still OK - 600W cable and 75W PCIe.
 
Yesterday's attempt at undervolt didn't pan out. I did a no frills one with 1 V and 3000 MHz. Stays between 2900-3000 MHz, dropped temps by 5 C and also running memory full tilt. Watts at under 500 now. 0 performance loss compared to stock (gained performance due to memory).

Cranked Superposition - can be 2nd in the world but have to pay 20 to publish so here is a screenshot instead.
 

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Yesterday's attempt at undervolt didn't pan out. I did a no frills one with 1 V and 3000 MHz. Stays between 2900-3000 MHz, dropped temps by 5 C and also running memory full tilt. Watts at under 500 now. 0 performance loss compared to stock (gained performance due to memory).

Cranked Superposition - can be 2nd in the world but have to pay 20 to publish so here is a screenshot instead.
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I’ve never delved into the curve thing in Afterburner

Are you basically just setting an undervolt curve to see if it will boost higher or does the curve also advise the card to attempt to hit a specific overclock?
 
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I’ve never delved into the curve thing in Afterburner

Are you basically just setting an undervolt curve to see if it will boost higher or does the curve also advise the card to attempt to hit a specific overclock?
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Curve is for both - at a particular voltage - how high you want it to boost. I am setting 1 V at 3000 (which implies it will usually hover around 2900 (based on experience with my card).
 

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I just ordered a 5090 FE hrough Nvidia's priority access. At launch, I would have been super excited but now that the hype has died down, I'm feeling kinda ambivalent about the upgrade.

With all the power connector issues, lack of PhysX 32 bit support, etc, I was actually quite happy sticking with my Gigabyte 4090.

Also, I would have preferred a higher end AIB since the Founders gets pretty loud and hot. My Gigabyte 4090 OC stays quiet and low even when running at 500W. However, the price hikes for the AIBs have been getting ridiculous. I could afford a $3000+ videocard but I would rather put the difference towards a 9950X3D/new mobo.

I'm most likely gonna stick with the 5090 FE but if it does get annoyingly loud or bugs out, then I'll go back to the 4090. Which is crazy to even consider, because I've never gone back to an older gen product before. I wish the current market isn't so ridiculous that the choice is either a reasonably priced FE or a decent AIB that is at least 30% more expensive.
 
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I'm most likely gonna stick with the 5090 FE but if it does get annoyingly loud or bugs out, then I'll go back to the 4090. Which is crazy to even consider, because I've never gone back to an older gen product before. I wish the current market isn't so ridiculous that the choice is either a reasonably priced FE or a decent AIB that is at least 30% more expensive.
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I'm interested in your 5090 FE noise experience. I have a Gigabyte 4090 as well and the cooler is so large on the card that even when I overclock it, I never hear it. There is no difference in idle vs load sound. It's kind of spoiled me in that regard - there's no way I want to return to anything audible. And I have a hard time believing a cooler that's thinner while absorbing more power can do it.
 
FE does not feel like a gaming card much (maybe SFF with an underclock).

People laughed at the giant sized card, but that what more gamers now want in that price range, even ready to pay $100-$200 for a quiet card once you entered the $2000 range if needed (if they made that an option that what most would pick).

No noise > having to get a bigger case, seem a good tradeoff to me.
 
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