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I think those are the industrial GPUs that Nvidia makes and why these are in short supply because in the same time it is better to make a 30-40K GPU than a 2K one.
 
Strange bird said:
As far as I can tell, the only problem the RTX 5090 has is the high power consumption and potential heat from the card, which is the main reason why some people don't consider switching.
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Power consumption can be a problem but I would expect anyone with 4090 to have at least 1000W PSU and big case with tons of airflow. If power consumption was much better it might make some people upgrade but I would not say it is a main factor.

Biggest problem preventing upgrade is performance to price ratio and availability will also be very poor. Having to sell your current GPU is also a bother and a risk.
Not to mention people just overpaid for 4090. At least in this case we had big performance improvement over anything that was before.

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Something similar to what happened with the GTX 480 card and the Fermi architecture.
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GTX 480 was the time you could get cheaper Radeon 5870 that used much less power and going Nvidia didn't give you as much features. There was PhysX which helped (Nvidia) but many people were using tricks where they used second cheap card for PhysX.
ATi (not AMD mind you) were quite popular at the time.
 
Does anyone know why Nvidia hasn't released new drivers, there aren't any for the old series or the new RTX 5000?
I see that techpowerup used an even older version 566.14 for the RTX 5090 FE review.
 
Strange bird said:
Does anyone know why Nvidia hasn't released new drivers, there aren't any for the old series or the new RTX 5000?
I see that techpowerup used an even older version 566.14 for the RTX 5090 FE review.
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There is a beta driver in the CUDA toolkit, been using it myself. New drivers will probably be released next Thursday.
 
I plan to go with the base model MSI 5090. Since overclocking is basically a moot point.....I don't see a need to get a more expensive model.
 
I suspect the next generation top-end gaming card will be liquid cooled to un-lock higher thermal envelopes.. it’s already happened at to datacenter level product.
 
Strange bird said:
Does anyone know why Nvidia hasn't released new drivers, there aren't any for the old series or the new RTX 5000?
I see that techpowerup used an even older version 566.14 for the RTX 5090 FE review.
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Reviews got pre-release drivers and i wouldn't expect official drivers to be released til at least a day before the release.
 
evilmedic said:
I suspect the next generation top-end gaming card will be liquid cooled to un-lock higher thermal envelopes.. it’s already happened at to datacenter level product.
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I really liked MSI's liquid cooled 4090 in a build I did for a friend. I think you're right and we'll start seeing AIO liquid cooled cards getting more popular.
 
Strange bird said:
Does anyone know why Nvidia hasn't released new drivers, there aren't any for the old series or the new RTX 5000?
I see that techpowerup used an even older version 566.14 for the RTX 5090 FE review.
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Those card have yet to be released.... giving really little incentive to them to have public new RTX 5000 drivers, has no one has them yet.

TPU used 571.86 I think:
RTX 5090: 571.86 Press Driver
NVIDIA..: 566.14 WHQL
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-founders-edition/7.html
 
evilmedic said:
I suspect the next generation top-end gaming card will be liquid cooled to un-lock higher thermal envelopes.. it’s already happened at to datacenter level product.
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I think the next gen cards will actually have an improved architecture and will improve performance per/watt from the arch itself. and it will also enjoy a node shrink, for further power improvements. Therefore, there won't be a reason to icrease power or explore atypical cooling. Nvidia is coasting with Blackwell.
 
Strange bird said:
Does anyone know why Nvidia hasn't released new drivers, there aren't any for the old series or the new RTX 5000?
I see that techpowerup used an even older version 566.14 for the RTX 5090 FE review.
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I already have 571.96 driver which has support for RTX 5090 and is a bit newer than 571.86 used by Techpowerup for reviews.
Driver can be found in this CUDA package https://developer.nvidia.com/cuda-downloads

Unfortunately Nvidia App is old one with no ability to replace DLSS model. Version of DLL inside the driver is also the older one. Hopefully driver released two days from now has this functionality.
 
chameleoneel said:
I think the next gen cards will actually have an improved architecture and will improve performance per/watt from the arch itself. and it will also enjoy a node shrink, for further power improvements. Therefore, there won't be a reason to icrease power or explore atypical cooling. Nvidia is coasting with Blackwell.
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Yeah, they're definitely coasting with Blackwell. But I'm not sure how much improvement architecturally can come at this point, in terms of pure raster performance. Seems we've pretty much reached a general GPU architectural limit on how to generate a 3D scene using DirectX. AMD are stuck, Intel aren't really trying it seems. I'm not sure nvidia is actually THAT far ahead in terms of pure raster, they're just willing to make 600w cards.
 
Blackstone said:
Snagged a Founders Edition 5090 from Best Buy at 2:34 PM. They are clearly dropping throughout the day. This is not a "paper launch" but getting one will require extraordinary diligence and persistence.
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Also lots of luck, you likely got in at the right time inventory was released for your area.
 
Blackstone said:
I’m surprised Founders Edition held up well against the Liquid with noise at higher fan speeds.
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Here it show quite the big difference in regular usage:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/msi-geforce-rtx-5090-suprim-liquid/39.html

at the same noise level:
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noise at x% fan speed is a bit of a strange metric to use in that video review (without some temp or performance with them), because here there is a strange higher the better in a way (it just mean I get fans that are able to go fast...) and not really interesting
 
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Is World of Warcraft worth checking out with RTX features? I may drop by Azeroth to see how it looks with 5090’s new trick bag.
 
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I think I will become a reviewer now. At least I may get a card on release.
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Dude...my man...they didn't just send these cards to reviewers....they sent them to any idiot influencer with a pulse....check this out...this bitch ass doesn't even know how to install a gpu

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/FRFfucPNAIE?si=DgE6lYG69mXhAFfo

And if you think thats bad.....they even sent this idiot a card too.

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/VlyPvJlZoUM?si=_s2tm4cc_Axt2h3h

I tell ya I'm a cunt hair away from boycotting 5 series.
 
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Is World of Warcraft worth checking out with RTX features? I may drop by Azeroth to see how it looks with 5090’s new trick bag.
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No. RTX in WoW is just a bit more realistic shadows, but it's not that noticeable, and very demanding.
 
Blackstone said:
So how are we cooling this beast (Founders Edition)?
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I’ll be running an open case and I’m also having half a dozen children shipped in from an unspecified 3rd world country to wave big fans for me, thus blowing the hot air from my home.

Expensive you say?

Not really, because the kids are free and I don’t plan to feed them. I’ll just order more kids when the others starve to death.

(* Note: this is a joke! Not to be taken seriously! In particular, the guy who took me seriously when I said I planned to acquire a 5090 by waiting outside BestBuy and clubbing someone on the head with my 4090, needs to pay attention! Like Seinfeld said… humour… you’re going to need it to get through life *)

That said… it’s not a bad idea?
 
l88bastard said:
Dude...my man...they didn't just send these cards to reviewers....they sent them to any idiot influencer with a pulse....check this out...this bitch ass doesn't even know how to install a gpu

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/FRFfucPNAIE?si=DgE6lYG69mXhAFfo

And if you think thats bad.....they even sent this idiot a card too.

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/VlyPvJlZoUM?si=_s2tm4cc_Axt2h3h

I tell ya I'm a cunt hair away from boycotting 5 series.
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Seems like an idiotic marketing tactic to attempt to drive up hype with shit like this, and then have practical zero inventory. Just pisses people off.
 
Do you guys think a dual chamber case is the way to go for Founders Edition plus an AIO for the 9800X3D?

I really like the Fractal Torent but I don’t see how i could have a 360 cpu radiator in it without starving the GPU of fresh air.
 
Blackstone said:
Do you guys think a dual chamber case is the way to go for Founders Edition plus an AIO for the 9800X3D?

I really like the Fractal Torent but I don’t see how i could have a 360 cpu radiator in it without starving the GPU of fresh air.
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Consider the Asus Proart 602A. Great airflow case.
 
Lol got the card and can’t get the stupid box open. Very weird packaging. Kinda cool.
 
Cyberpunk, 4K, DLSS Quality, Frame Gen On, Transformer Model, Full Path tracing, everything maxed—-the hype is real.

Not a hint of input latency that i can detect myself, it looks absolutely impeccable to me and it feels like absolute butter. I am astounded. If there is something here to complain about, it is theoretical and i can’t see it or feel it myself.

I would easily use this in a multiplayer game.

I can’t get frame gen and path tracing working in Indiana Jones at the same time however. Seems like Frame Gen is not working in Indiana Jones.

CPU temps are fine even with air cooling. The fan spinning up that experienced last night was from game installs going in the background. No increase in coil whine that I can detect over my old 3090.

Idle temps on 9800 X 3-D with Noctua D15G2 LBC are 35C. Max temp in Cyberpunk was 79.9. -20 PBO Curve with +200 MHz overclock to 5435.4 MHz.

This card is an absolute beast. I am ready for Battlefield 6! Bring it!
 
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I have said it multiple times that people who complain about FG or DLSS don’t use it often. I use it all the time and it works fine many times than not. In even MP games with 30 ms pc latency BO6 is playable and I am as competitive as without it.

DLSS smearing and artifacting is also documented. For most games you don’t see it. It is in 2 games I am playing where I am seeing it these days but I have no choice but to use DLSS and FG as without it those games are not playable at the speed I want to play at.

I definitely will be jumping to get a 5090 asap when I find one. Thus far haven’t had luck with it.
 
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I have said it multiple times that people who complain about FG or DLSS don’t use it often. I use it all the time and it works fine many times than not. In even MP games with 30 ms pc latency BO6 is playable and I am as competitive as without it.

DLSS smearing and artifacting is also documented. For most games you don’t see it. It is in 2 games I am playing where I am seeing it these days but I have no choice but to use DLSS and FG as without it those games are not playable at the speed I want to play at.

I definitely will be jumping to get a 5090 asap when I find one. Thus far haven’t had luck with it.I c
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I can feel maybe a very slight difference in input latency in Cyberpunk going from 2X to 3X to 4X, with 2X feeling the best, but the game absolutely benefits with it being on, TREMENDOUSLY. It feels very organic. There is nothing “fake” feeling about these frames, PERIOD.

I think the vast majority of negative content surrounding this card is being driven by a desire for clicks. 4090 owners will have to decide for themselves whether now is the time to pounce, but if you are on 3000 series this is a total no brainer.
 
I think once they update reflex a bit more even the slight lag feeling at 4X will be improved as well. That’s what happens when they updated reflex for FG before. Give it sometime. These drivers suck ass btw.
 
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I think once they update reflex a bit more even the slight lag feeling at 4X will be improved as well. That’s what happens when they updated reflex for FG before. Give it sometime. These drivers suck ass btw.
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I know I am not impressed with the driver but it is a launch driver and they will absolutely improve over time which they always do.
 
pututu said:
Oh boy, this is a ginormous card. Cooling and performance are excellent with gaming bios setting.


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Suprim is the one to own this gen.
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I really like the Suprim, both the liquid and air versions.

With Furmark running AND Cinebench simultaneously , w/ Noctua DH15 G2, I can get CPU temps as high as 95 degrees on 9800X3D. The GPU (Founders) never breaks a sweat. Temps about 80 on GPU at 50% fan speed in 4k Furmark PLUS cinebench running. That is fine with me personally for worst case max load. There is no throttling on either. I'm actually more impressed with my GPU cooling situation than my CPU cooling situation.

This is with case with 180 mm front bottom intake, 180 mm top intake above CPU (positive pressure setup), 120mm exhaust, 120 front top intake. I tried playing with these, and even at 100% on all I can't bring 9800X3D down below 95 with furmark and cinebench (max load).
 
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Blackstone said:
I really like the Suprim, both the liquid and air versions.

With Furmark running AND Cinebench, w/ Noctua DH15 G2, I can get CPU temps as high as 95 degrees on 9800X3D. The GPU (Founders) never breaks a sweat. Temps about 80 on GPU at 50% fan speed. That is fine with me personally. There is no throttling.

This is with case with 180 mm front bottom intake, 180 mm top intake above CPU (positive pressure setup), 120mm exhaust, 120 front top intake.
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Dat system be cookin... need a better setup to bring the temps to a reasonable level.
 
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