Logitech’s no-‘click’ magnetic mouse changes the game

[M76]

Do you do anything that stresses the switches more than is typical?

What else can you do beyond clicking? I've seen the same issue with my parents who only use the computer for facebook and solitaire.

I have replaced so many switches that I'm not even sure if my current mouse is on its original switches still. It might be as it looks like the skidpads have not been pried off of this one yet. So it's possible it has better switches than the last one, left click still feels strong and tactile. Before they go bad they start becoming soggy, the clicking sensation diminishes. Of course I already feel some difference between left and right click, but it's not significant.

 

[Lateralus]

Even if the Superstrike ends up being more of a “tech preview” for now, the no-mechanical-switch approach feels like the kind of experiment that might quietly become standard in a few years.

Sounds bad for revenue. So once they finally incorporate a switch that lasts, I guess we can expect a subscription fee to enable the premium features of the mouse.

 

[Prince Valiant]

The haptic feedback of the trackpads on Steamdeck was somewhat disappointing but maybe it would work better in a regular mouse form.

Am I the only one that's had terrible luck with Logitech's mouse switches?

I haven't yet had any problems (personally) with mouse switches which couldn't be solved by cleaning them. If it ever comes to it another pair could be soldered on.

 

[Zarathustra[H]]

What else can you do beyond clicking? I've seen the same issue with my parents who only use the computer for facebook and solitaire.

I have replaced so many switches that I'm not even sure if my current mouse is on its original switches still. It might be as it looks like the skidpads have not been pried off of this one yet. So it's possible it has better switches than the last one, left click still feels strong and tactile. Before they go bad they start becoming soggy, the clicking sensation diminishes. Of course I already feel some difference between left and right click, but it's not significant.

That is just so weird to me, that I don't know what to say.

Between my almost 40 years in this hobby as well as working in an environment with computers for the last 25-30 years I have literally never had a mouse switch die on me.

And it's not as if I am swapping out mice fast, so they don't have time to wear out...

My mouse history goes something like this (its from memory, so it may not be 100% accurate)

2018-Current: Logitech MX518 Relaunch
2015-2018: Logitech G502 Proteus core (Used this one a little shorter because I didn't much care for it. Gave it to the kiddo after I was done with it. He seemed to like it.)
2009-2015: Logitech G500 (My favorite mouse of all time. Cable eventually gave out, and the rest of the mouse was so worn that it wasn't worth recabling. Switches were fine though)
2005-2009: Logitech G5 (Cable gave out fast on this one. Didn't realize recabling USB was a thing back then, so I didn't even try)
1999-2005: OG Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer. I can't remember why I replaced this one.
Prior to 1999: Various generic beige 90's era ball mice.
First mouse (~1991?) Logitech C7 three button serial mouse.

I guess I'm old... (Not my picture)

Just seeing that three button Logitech mouse reminds me of playing the original Sid Meier's Civilization in 1991. I think mine had the older 25-pin large serial plug instead of the pictured smaller 9-pin variant.

Anyway, that is 5 mice in the last 27 years. The last one (MX518) has seen heavy use, as it got used both for personal use AND for work use as I worked from home most of the time starting in 2020.

Over the last 27 years my biggest problem has been that I have worn out cables. That's usually what has ended the mice. I have also worn the skid pads out of existence, and then replaced them, I have even worn the surface off the body of the mice through frequent contact with my hands. But I have never had a mouse switch die on me.

I do remember winding up with intermittent left mouse clicks on the G500 towards the end, but opening up the mouse body and cleaning the switch (I vaguely remember blowing it out with a can of compressed air, and lubing it with silicone oil, but not 100% sure, it's been a while) solved it. I didn't have to remove or disassemble the switch. I just did it in place.

So, I guess the thing that really confuses me is, how come so many of you have had mouse switch problems, and I haven't?

Maybe there are climate differences at play? Really dry or really humid air might have an effect?

It's just weird to me that we have been buying more or less the same products, and you have been having repeated problems and I have had none. There has to be something other than just "random luck" that explains this.

 

[sharknice]

That is just so weird to me, that I don't know what to say.

Between my almost 40 years in this hobby as well as working in an environment with computers for the last 25-30 years I have literally never had a mouse switch die on me.

And it's not as if I am swapping out mice fast, so they don't have time to wear out...

My mouse history goes something like this (its from memory, so it may not be 100% accurate)

2018-Current: Logitech MX518 Relaunch
2015-2018: Logitech G502 Proteus core (Used this one a little shorter because I didn't much care for it. Gave it to the kiddo after I was done with it. He seemed to like it.)
2009-2015: Logitech G500 (My favorite mouse of all time. Cable eventually gave out, and the rest of the mouse was so worn that it wasn't worth recabling. Switches were fine though)
2005-2009: Logitech G5 (Cable gave out fast on this one. Didn't realize recabling USB was a thing back then, so I didn't even try)
1999-2005: OG Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer. I can't remember why I replaced this one.
Prior to 1999: Various generic beige 90's era ball mice.
First mouse (~1991?) Logitech C7 three button serial mouse.

View attachment 789492
I guess I'm old... (Not my picture)

Just seeing that three button Logitech mouse reminds me of playing the original Sid Meier's Civilization in 1991. I think mine had the older 25-pin large serial plug instead of the pictured smaller 9-pin variant.

Anyway, that is 5 mice in the last 27 years. The last one (MX518) has seen heavy use, as it got used both for personal use AND for work use as I worked from home most of the time starting in 2020.

Over the last 27 years my biggest problem has been that I have worn out cables. That's usually what has ended the mice. I have also worn the skid pads out of existence, and then replaced them, I have even worn the surface off the body of the mice through frequent contact with my hands. But I have never had a mouse switch die on me.

I do remember winding up with intermittent left mouse clicks on the G500 towards the end, but opening up the mouse body and cleaning the switch (I vaguely remember blowing it out with a can of compressed air, and lubing it with silicone oil, but not 100% sure, it's been a while) solved it. I didn't have to remove or disassemble the switch. I just did it in place.

So, I guess the thing that really confuses me is, how come so many of you have had mouse switch problems, and I haven't?

Maybe there are climate differences at play? Really dry or really humid air might have an effect?

It's just weird to me that we have been buying more or less the same products, and you have been having repeated problems and I have had none. There has to be something other than just "random luck" that explains this.

I think humidity and temperature play a factor. I had a mouse that started getting the double clicks after a couple years. I brought it to work to use there because it wasn't that bad and it actually worked perfectly fine there. Then brought it home and it had the double clicks... Brought it back to work again, no double clicks.

 

[M76]

That is just so weird to me, that I don't know what to say.

Between my almost 40 years in this hobby as well as working in an environment with computers for the last 25-30 years I have literally never had a mouse switch die on me.

And it's not as if I am swapping out mice fast, so they don't have time to wear out...

My mouse history goes something like this (its from memory, so it may not be 100% accurate)

I don't know what to say either. Maybe it's the climate, I only heat the house to about 20-21C° during the winter, and during especially cold nights it can get as low as 15C° in the room where my computer is.

I probably had dozens of mice, years are best guesses, especially the further we go back in time the less reliable they get.

2022 - Logitech G903 Lightspeed Hero - Didn't need to open this yet, what I really love about it that the battery lasts for over a month with 10-12 hours of use every day on avarage (working from home 99% of the time)
2018 - Logitech G903 Hero - Basically same design as my current mouse except the battery only lasted 2-3 days with the same use - replaced the switch in it a couple of times.
2012 - Gigabyte Aivia M8600 - My first "gamer" mouse. I replaced switches in it countless times. This was terrible on battery, lasted maybe 10 hours on a charge, but it came with two batteries so I could just swap them, but it was still annoying if it died in the middle of a game. But when it worked it was a great mouse.
2010 - Microsoft Laser Mouse 6000 V2 - I thought I was getting an identical mouse to my recently died one, was I in for a surprise.
2006 - Microsoft Laser Mouse 6000 - Don't let the name fool you it literally has nothing in common with the one above


The V2 is an awkward asymmetrical wireless contraption, while the plain 6000 is a normal wired mouse.
Well I guess they do have one thing in common, the triangle shaped Laser badge.

Before this I had a series of bog standard OEM Microsoft optical mouse 3000-s, they were cheap and replaceable and worked fine for me until I tried the 6000 with about 5x the DPI and precision.
Even earlier meaning the 90s, I used the cheapest Genius and A4 Tech ones.

 

[Meeho]

That is just so weird to me, that I don't know what to say.

Between my almost 40 years in this hobby as well as working in an environment with computers for the last 25-30 years I have literally never had a mouse switch die on me.

And it's not as if I am swapping out mice fast, so they don't have time to wear out...

My mouse history goes something like this (its from memory, so it may not be 100% accurate)

2018-Current: Logitech MX518 Relaunch
2015-2018: Logitech G502 Proteus core (Used this one a little shorter because I didn't much care for it. Gave it to the kiddo after I was done with it. He seemed to like it.)
2009-2015: Logitech G500 (My favorite mouse of all time. Cable eventually gave out, and the rest of the mouse was so worn that it wasn't worth recabling. Switches were fine though)
2005-2009: Logitech G5 (Cable gave out fast on this one. Didn't realize recabling USB was a thing back then, so I didn't even try)
1999-2005: OG Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer. I can't remember why I replaced this one.
Prior to 1999: Various generic beige 90's era ball mice.
First mouse (~1991?) Logitech C7 three button serial mouse.

View attachment 789492
I guess I'm old... (Not my picture)

Just seeing that three button Logitech mouse reminds me of playing the original Sid Meier's Civilization in 1991. I think mine had the older 25-pin large serial plug instead of the pictured smaller 9-pin variant.

Anyway, that is 5 mice in the last 27 years. The last one (MX518) has seen heavy use, as it got used both for personal use AND for work use as I worked from home most of the time starting in 2020.

Over the last 27 years my biggest problem has been that I have worn out cables. That's usually what has ended the mice. I have also worn the skid pads out of existence, and then replaced them, I have even worn the surface off the body of the mice through frequent contact with my hands. But I have never had a mouse switch die on me.

I do remember winding up with intermittent left mouse clicks on the G500 towards the end, but opening up the mouse body and cleaning the switch (I vaguely remember blowing it out with a can of compressed air, and lubing it with silicone oil, but not 100% sure, it's been a while) solved it. I didn't have to remove or disassemble the switch. I just did it in place.

So, I guess the thing that really confuses me is, how come so many of you have had mouse switch problems, and I haven't?

Maybe there are climate differences at play? Really dry or really humid air might have an effect?

It's just weird to me that we have been buying more or less the same products, and you have been having repeated problems and I have had none. There has to be something other than just "random luck" that explains this.

It's explained in the posted video by sharknice :

https://hardforum.com/threads/logit...ouse-changes-the-game.2046759/post-1046288646

Summarized around the 56 minute mark.

 

[THRESHIN]

Razer, Logitech, Dell (at work), $10 or $100 they all have been equally bad for me. The left button or occasionally scroll wheel dies in 3-4 years of use on my main/gaming system, or about 5-7 on my work setup.

Can't explain...I had one Logitech last me more than 20 years on my main rig. The buttons still worked, it was ultimately the sensor that decided it was time to pack it in.

Would be interesting to see where they're all getting the switches from and what model gets what switches. I'll bet that there's only one or two companies in the world that make those things with how modern manufacturing is.

 

[WilyKit]

I want this mouse just because I’m older now and need all the competitive advantage I can get to make up for my dwindling reflexes and reaction time

 

[Zepher]

I've used nothing but Logitech mice for 20+ years and have never had a switch problem. Well, once I needed to clean/lube them in my old G500 I think, but I have never had a failure.

I find that I wear out the Cable and the surface of the mouse body long before I e ever had any switch issues. I bought my current relaunch MX518 when they launched in 2019 and I have been using it easily 10+ hours a day for the last 7 years without a switch problem. The G logo on the top is worn shiny though.

Do you do anything that stresses the switches more than is typical?

I play games.
I’ve had every daily used Logitech mouse get the left click issue. It will sometime double click with one press it and it will release when holding and dragging.
First one was my MX1000 I bought in the 90’s

 

[mullet]

Mouse looks cool, just 100 buckz to much.

 

[GotNoRice]

I'm interested, but I'll have to try it in person. It really doesn't matter if it's "technically" better or not, it matters how it works in practice. Personal preferences also enter the equation when talking about something like a mouse. Just like with keyboards. Mechanical keyboards are objectively technologically superior, but I personally prefer a good membrane keyboard.

 

[CVNet1]

I dunno, I don't use a mouse, I use a trackball (on account of RSI) and for years I used the Logitech ones since they were kinda the only game in town. I'll get more than a year out of them but usually less than 3 before one of the buttons starts having issues. Often the left button, no surprise since it gets the most clicks, but also I've had issues with the forward and back buttons since they don't have as good a switch in them and I do use them for gaming.

Recently I switched to the Gameball, which is a customized Protoarc trackball, so we'll see how that goes.

I also switched to trackball many years ago due to carpel tunnel problems (that went away with the trackball use).

Have you ever checked out ELECOM for trackball? I have had good results from that brand although some of the older ones (10+ years) have the double click problem which only happens in gaming when on the left mouse button my finger is actuating the button from a completely flat position across the button. If I make an arc to actuate the button instead I still get the expected single click outcome.

 

[Sycraft]

I also switched to trackball many years ago due to carpel tunnel problems (that went away with the trackball use).

Have you ever checked out ELECOM for trackball? I have had good results from that brand although some of the older ones (10+ years) have the double click problem which only happens in gaming when on the left mouse button my finger is actuating the button from a completely flat position across the button. If I make an arc to actuate the button instead I still get the expected single click outcome.

I tried them years ago and didn't like them but I do not honestly remember why. I just remember giving them a try when Logitech discontinued their wired trackballs. After trying a number of alternates, I just settled on the wireless Logitech trackballs. I didn't like needing to replace batteries and the tiny delay when you first moved the ball, but I got used to it.

One of the things that keeps me on the Gameballs, other than the fact they are wired (they also work wireless), is that they have a 1000Hz polling rate. Logitech is only 125Hz, as a lot of standard mice are. It gets noticeable when you get a high refresh screen. It isn't a problem, I mean I'm not playing any high speed shooters with a trackball, but you can feel and see the additional smoothness when you have a high refresh monitor.

 

[Ikasu]

Yeah, I've replaced them in a few mice now. G700 seemed notorious for it, I had two of them and both had issues.

I ended up getting the G502 X Plus which has the optical hybrid switches, hopefully those last longer.

Hate to say it, not the case. I have a G502 X Plus. Had to replace one under warranty as the back button double clicked a year into owning it. Lived with it for a bit, and warranty replaced before the warranty ended....Replacement is doing the same thing just recently. Logitech is a shell of it's former self unfortunately. I use to swear by their mice...They were built like tanks, I'd replace them cause I'd wear them down, not cause of hardware issues....Now they aren't very reliable and have terrible software (G-Hub) compared to the good old Logitech Gaming Software (LGS) which was god tier....

If anyone knows of a brand that has app detection software with a reliable mouse and a g502 style body, please let me know....Razer Basilisk Ultimate was garbage (hardware and software), but don't see any other alternatives besides sticking with logitech =*(.