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Logitech’s no-‘click’ magnetic mouse changes the game

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“In summary:​

  • PCWorld highlights Logitech’s Pro X2 Superstrike gaming mouse, featuring innovative magnetic switches that replace traditional clicking mechanisms with adjustable actuation and haptic feedback.
  • This $180 premium mouse offers competitive advantages for gamers, especially in shooters, through incredibly rapid clicking capabilities and customizable press distance measurement.
  • Key features include wireless charging, a 44,000 DPI sensor, and personalization options through Logitech’s G software for tailored gaming experiences.

There are a lot of different gaming mice you can use, but all of them have something in common: physical switches. They’re similar to the electrical switches in keyboards and controllers. But there’s a newer option as well, supplied by Logitech—the switches in the Pro X2 Superstrike are magnetic and adjustable. In the latest PCWorld video on YouTube, Will Smith tells us why that’s important.

The Pro X2 Superstrike‘s primary left and right buttons use a magnetic sensor under each button which can measure the distance you press down. There’s no physical contact between the components. In order to simulate a more conventional “click” experience, it uses haptic feedback, just like a phone keyboard or a touchpad on more premium laptops.”

Source: https://www.pcworld.com/article/3077047/logitech-no-click-magnetic-mouse-changes-the-game.html
 
This new technology seems interesting, but I don't like (hate) Logitech as a brand/marketing/prices, so I'll wait for A4Tech to release something similar on the market.
 
Kind of like it. Personally I might need that price tag to hit maybe $120, as I am not a professional gamer but would like the use of it.
 
I saw them the other day and was thinking I’d buy one if you could get it in something similar length wise to a Logitech g305.
 
erek said:

“In summary:​

  • PCWorld highlights Logitech’s Pro X2 Superstrike gaming mouse, featuring innovative magnetic switches that replace traditional clicking mechanisms with adjustable actuation and haptic feedback.
  • This $180 premium mouse offers competitive advantages for gamers, especially in shooters, through incredibly rapid clicking capabilities and customizable press distance measurement.
  • Key features include wireless charging, a 44,000 DPI sensor, and personalization options through Logitech’s G software for tailored gaming experiences.

There are a lot of different gaming mice you can use, but all of them have something in common: physical switches. They’re similar to the electrical switches in keyboards and controllers. But there’s a newer option as well, supplied by Logitech—the switches in the Pro X2 Superstrike are magnetic and adjustable. In the latest PCWorld video on YouTube, Will Smith tells us why that’s important.

The Pro X2 Superstrike‘s primary left and right buttons use a magnetic sensor under each button which can measure the distance you press down. There’s no physical contact between the components. In order to simulate a more conventional “click” experience, it uses haptic feedback, just like a phone keyboard or a touchpad on more premium laptops.”

Source: https://www.pcworld.com/article/3077047/logitech-no-click-magnetic-mouse-changes-the-game.html
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Posted about this a couple weeks ago in the mouse and keyboard section

https://hardforum.com/threads/rapid-trigger-is-in-mice-now-logitech-pro-x2-superstrike.2046413/

I will get it when they bring it to the G502 design.
 
AVATARAT said:
This new technology seems interesting, but I don't like (hate) Logitech as a brand/marketing/prices, so I'll wait for A4Tech to release something similar on the market.
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yeah i got my mom a Logitech "silent click" mouse a couple years ago not sure if they were magnetic switches or what but it definitely feels way different than a conventional mouse but thing is, the wheel's already going bad. piece of junk.

i personally got a cheap corsair m60/65 clone (Rii M01) except this one has omron switches and the same pixart sensor they use in high dollar boutique mice all for $12 i liked it so much i bought a second one as a back up. and they did go out of stock for like 5 years but just they just recently started making them again and now i got a second backup and still using the original. i was going to link it here in case anyone was interested but it looks like they're back out of stock. guess i still will link it if anyone want's to take a look, it's funny some guy said he liked it so much he bought 8 of them, but yeah to me it's the perfect mouse. amazon link
 
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Twisted Kidney said:
Am I the only one that's had terrible luck with Logitech's mouse switches?
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I had to replace the switches in one of the earlier ultralight’s, I RMAed it once before, then looked it up, they were using garbage switches. So after it failed again, I soldered in better switches. Very unimpressed for an expensive mouse, plus I’m not crazy about the shape, and the side buttons don’t feel good either
 
zerogg said:
I had to replace the switches in one of the earlier ultralight’s, I RMAed it once before, then looked it up, they were using garbage switches. So after it failed again, I soldered in better switches. Very unimpressed for an expensive mouse, plus I’m not crazy about the shape, and the side buttons don’t feel good either
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I have a G502 that didn't even make it a year, I've never even looked into replacing the switches.

It turns out the household Electrical Engineer (me) is a bit shit.
 
Twisted Kidney said:
Am I the only one that's had terrible luck with Logitech's mouse switches?
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When I bought a superlight the switches went bad within a month or two. I think I’ve had 2 g305s left click go bad but that’s after heavy long term use. The mx300/g305 shape is pretty much my favourite shape. I just wish they’d put their best sensors in that shape.
 
Twisted Kidney said:
Am I the only one that's had terrible luck with Logitech's mouse switches?
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It's not luck. $100+ mice and they cheap out on switches that cost 25 cents in bulk. But design wise it's still the best mouse I could find, so I didn't even bother trying to warranty it just replaced the switch with a branded one.
 
Twisted Kidney said:
Am I the only one that's had terrible luck with Logitech's mouse switches?
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Yeah, I've replaced them in a few mice now. G700 seemed notorious for it, I had two of them and both had issues.

I ended up getting the G502 X Plus which has the optical hybrid switches, hopefully those last longer.
 
M76 said:
It's not luck. $100+ mice and they cheap out on switches that cost 25 cents in bulk. But design wise it's still the best mouse I could find, so I didn't even bother trying to warranty it just replaced the switch with a branded one.
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If you look into it almost every single mouse from every brand uses the same switches and always had. And these switches were not originally designed to be used in a mouse. They have specs like 10 million click durability or whatever, but the specs are based on a completely different use case and invalid for how they're used in a mouse.
There was a good youtube video on it probably 5-10 years ago.

This was true until pretty recently when some mice started using optical switches and some custom switches.

It's irrelevant for this mouse since it uses a completely different custom switch.
 
Does Logitech know optical switches exist? Marketing spiel aside, you can do all that with an optical switch.

Looks like they do, and Logitech marketing calls it Lightforce.
 
Absalom said:
Does Logitech know optical switches exist? Marketing spiel aside, you can do all that with an optical switch.

Looks like they do, and Logitech marketing calls it Lightforce.
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You can't adjust the actuation point with an optical switch.
 
erek said:
In order to simulate a more conventional “click” experience, it uses haptic feedback, just like a phone keyboard or a touchpad on more premium laptops.”
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I don't think I've ever used a laptop that didn't have a mechanical click touch pad; but vibration while typing is right up with fake keypress noise while typing as the first things i turn off on a new phone or tablet.

If they have one in worstbuy the next time I'm there I'll probably give it a 30 second test drive; but doubt it's something I could ever find myself using. No matter how many hundred dollar mice I end up tossing because of shitty 25 cent parts.
 
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M76 said:
It's not luck. $100+ mice and they cheap out on switches that cost 25 cents in bulk. But design wise it's still the best mouse I could find, so I didn't even bother trying to warranty it just replaced the switch with a branded one.
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I've used nothing but Logitech mice for 20+ years and have never had a switch problem. Well, once I needed to clean/lube them in my old G500 I think, but I have never had a failure.

I find that I wear out the Cable and the surface of the mouse body long before I e ever had any switch issues. I bought my current relaunch MX518 when they launched in 2019 and I have been using it easily 10+ hours a day for the last 7 years without a switch problem. The G logo on the top is worn shiny though.

Do you do anything that stresses the switches more than is typical?
 
DanNeely said:
No matter how many hundred dollar mice I end up tossing because of shitty 25 cent parts.
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Fella, I have got some grrrreat news for you.

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sharknice said:
If you look into it almost every single mouse from every brand uses the same switches and always had. And these switches were not originally designed to be used in a mouse. They have specs like 10 million click durability or whatever, but the specs are based on a completely different use case and invalid for how they're used in a mouse.
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10 million clicks is really not that many, yes, it's not 1 million, but good switches are 50 or 100 million.
I won't pay more than $10-12 for mice with 10 million left-click clicks.

Zarathustra[H] said:
I've used nothing but Logitech mice for 20+ years and have never had a switch problem.
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Brands are no longer what they used to be.
Modern marketing needs to sell, so bad products bring in more profit from well-known brands, of course. And yes, most of them put 500,000 or, at best, 800,000 on the scroll button...
And that is the reason why users complain in many situations - a broken scroll or double click.
 
I'm interested in reliability. We all know that a mouse usually dies due to the buttons failing. Ok, maybe the battery if it's wireless... I'm a wired mouse kinda guy.

I have always like Logitech. Their stuff always seems to last for me. I'm currently using one of those MX518's they started making again for a short time.
 
AVATARAT said:
10 million clicks is really not that many, yes, it's not 1 million, but good switches are 50 or 100 million.
I won't pay more than $10-12 for mice with 10 million left-click clicks.


Brands are no longer what they used to be.
Modern marketing needs to sell, so bad products bring in more profit from well-known brands, of course. And yes, most of them put 500,000 or, at best, 800,000 on the scroll button...
And that is the reason why users complain in many situations - a broken scroll or double click.
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Totally. Things just get crappier and crappier due to cost reductions and the need to sell replacements (which is impossible if people just get to keep and use what they have already bought forever)

That said, I wonder why others are having these issues and I am not. If anything I would have thought I would be a 99th percentile clicker 😅
 
AVATARAT said:
10 million clicks is really not that many, yes, it's not 1 million, but good switches are 50 or 100 million.
I won't pay more than $10-12 for mice with 10 million left-click clicks.


Brands are no longer what they used to be.
Modern marketing needs to sell, so bad products bring in more profit from well-known brands, of course. And yes, most of them put 500,000 or, at best, 800,000 on the scroll button...
And that is the reason why users complain in many situations - a broken scroll or double click.
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This is what I'm talking about

View: https://youtu.be/v5BhECVlKJA?si=6n_orcLj0W0GR5Gx
 
sharknice said:
You can't adjust the actuation point with an optical switch.
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You can actually: https://www.razer.com/gaming-keyboards/razer-huntsman-v3-pro-mini
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While that's for a specialized keyboard, that doesn't mean it can't be done on a mouse.

What hasn't been done is haptic feedback. That maybe the "killer" feature Logitech has vs optical. Haptic feedback is going to be polarizing anyway. Not everyone likes "clicky" or "buzzy".

I'm still on a DeathAdder V2 which is my first optical switch mouse. I tell you, I don't miss Omron switches and fear of the dreaded double click showing up.
 
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For years, I've been buying mice with built-in macros, especially for single-player games where I have to press the button like crazy. I just make a repeatable macro on the left button to repeat it while the button is pressed. This really saves millions of clicks and is much more convenient.
 
THRESHIN said:
I'm interested in reliability. We all know that a mouse usually dies due to the buttons failing. Ok, maybe the battery if it's wireless... I'm a wired mouse kinda guy.

I have always like Logitech. Their stuff always seems to last for me. I'm currently using one of those MX518's they started making again for a short time.
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Razer, Logitech, Dell (at work), $10 or $100 they all have been equally bad for me. The left button or occasionally scroll wheel dies in 3-4 years of use on my main/gaming system, or about 5-7 on my work setup.
 
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AVATARAT said:
Yes, you can always replace broken switches, but we don't buy mice to do that, especially ones that cost $70-100-200. After all, if we're spending that much money on mice, they should have long-lasting switches :)
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That's not why I posted the video. It's because this guy explains how mice manufacturers using the switches out of spec so they don't last as long as they claim they do.

Omicron will claim their switch lasts for 50 million clicks and then Logitech claim their mice will last 50 million clicks. But they are using them with voltage and resistance that are out of spec for the switch. So they don't last anywhere near that many clicks.

And basically every mouse maker was doing this with their switches which is why the broken click was so common.

This video is from about 7 years ago though. Now you can get mice with optical switches, and then of course this new mouse with magnetic switches.
 
Are you guys throwing your mice at walls or something (like a former roommate would do)? I'm not sure I've ever had a mouse's switches fail. I'm also no longer a gamer.

Using a Logitech G900 now and it's going strong. 4-5 years ago?
 
sleepeeg3 said:
Are you guys throwing your mice at walls or something (like a former roommate would do)? I'm not sure I've ever had a mouse's switches fail. I'm also no longer a gamer.

Using a Logitech G900 now and it's going strong. 4-5 years ago?
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I dunno, I don't use a mouse, I use a trackball (on account of RSI) and for years I used the Logitech ones since they were kinda the only game in town. I'll get more than a year out of them but usually less than 3 before one of the buttons starts having issues. Often the left button, no surprise since it gets the most clicks, but also I've had issues with the forward and back buttons since they don't have as good a switch in them and I do use them for gaming.

Recently I switched to the Gameball, which is a customized Protoarc trackball, so we'll see how that goes.
 
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