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€9,999.00 with financing, not available yet and not yet visible in the gpu list of the website, probably just some fill up number ?
 
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is it the first time in a while any gpu get reviews ahead of its launch, maybe they expect the 5090 to be so pre-order heavy as long the review are not disastrous that they decided for the system to not get bugged down to have it spread on many days like that
 
I haven't gone after an FE card in a minute, but with EVGA out of the game that's the best option IMO.
 
Domingo said:
I haven't gone after an FE card in a minute, but with EVGA out of the game that's the best option IMO.
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My concern is with the 5090 and 5080 FE design, it is dumping heat right into the CPU air coolers intake path.
 
GoldenTiger said:
That's how most cards have worked for many years.
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Most cards are not mostly pass through like the new FE design. Most AIB cards are blowing into the card with some of the end being pass through.

With FE all that heat is being directed into the path of the CPU cooler since there are cutouts in the PCB for the air to flow through. This is in comparison to a AIB type design where the they usually have several fans with the end portion cooler usually being the "pass through".

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Ihaveworms said:
Most cards are not mostly pass through like the new FE design. Most AIB cards are blowing into the card with some of the end being pass through.

With FE all that heat is being directed into the path of the CPU cooler since there are cutouts in the PCB for the air to flow through. This is in comparison to a AIB type design where the they usually have several fans with the end portion cooler usually being the "pass through".

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Where do you think the heat goes when it's blown against the PCB and then forced upwards on traditional cards?
 
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You people, have fun with the new RTX 5000 toys, whoever buys them.
But try to beat this, RTX 5080 for €8,998.98, I don't know if that's a joke or what, maybe someone will buy it, who knows, it usually says it's available for order:
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Ah, yes, Croatia. The bastion of fair market practice.
 
Finally jumping on board with the 5000 series news.

Looking at the 5090, I'm surprised about how small it is and how it will keep up with the heat. Are we expected to believe that the 2 slot design will cool better than the 4090 3 slot with their technological advancements?

If I pick up the 5090 FE, I would open up my closed loop and let the 5090 perform on air cooling alone, but I feel the flagship FE will require some water cooling to keep throttling to a minimum with that 2 slot design.
 
Recipe7 said:
Finally jumping on board with the 5000 series news.

Looking at the 5090, I'm surprised about how small it is and how it will keep up with the heat. Are we expected to believe that the 2 slot design will cool better than the 4090 3 slot with their technological advancements?

If I pick up the 5090 FE, I would open up my closed loop and let the 5090 perform on air cooling alone, but I feel the flagship FE will require some water cooling to keep throttling to a minimum with that 2 slot design.
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Despite it being thinner it looks like the heatsink has more surface area than the 4090 FE at a glimpse going by the number of fins. It also has a massive vapor chamber system with 10 heat pipes. I think it may cool better than the 2.8-slot design of the 4090.
 
Recipe7 said:
Finally jumping on board with the 5000 series news.

Looking at the 5090, I'm surprised about how small it is and how it will keep up with the heat. Are we expected to believe that the 2 slot design will cool better than the 4090 3 slot with their technological advancements?

If I pick up the 5090 FE, I would open up my closed loop and let the 5090 perform on air cooling alone, but I feel the flagship FE will require some water cooling to keep throttling to a minimum with that 2 slot design.
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Definitely remains to be seen. Especially when it looks like some of the high end AIB designs are even larger than they were for the 4090.
 
Blackstone said:
The more I look at videos of founders edition, the more it seems like the card is still MASSIVE. It just isn't three slot, but the card itself is huge. I don't anticipate it will be hard to keep cool.
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Depending on what time the FE model goes up for the sale on the 30th at Bestbuy, if I can secure one from there then I'll just stick with it instead of driving to MC for an AIB model. Also it's funny that discussion about the 5090 is split into 3 different threads lol.
 
Armenius said:
Despite it being thinner it looks like the heatsink has more surface area than the 4090 FE at a glimpse going by the number of fins. It also has a massive vapor chamber system with 10 heat pipes. I think it may cool better than the 2.8-slot design of the 4090.
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Those two points alone are pushing me towards the 5090, that is good news for sure. If it can cool better than a 4090 then I may have hope for keeping it soley on air.
 
Furious_Styles said:
Definitely remains to be seen. Especially when it looks like some of the high end AIB designs are even larger than they were for the 4090.
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From Armenius point above, I'm really excited to see the performance of the cooling more-so than the actual computing performance.
 
Blackstone said:
Well this was supposed to be the enthusiast thread for people who have their finances in order or at least a credit card that isn't maxed out but apparently that was too much to ask. :)
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I don't even consider using a credit card and carrying that balance over a few months to be having finances in order. Unless you pay your credit cards before the interest kicks in, you are simply throwing away money :confused:. I do love my credit card points/rewards, but I will have to be in dire straights to carry a balance over months.
 
Blackstone said:
The question is whether the aftermarket cards and their overclocks add anything to the base framerates/raster discussion. Since base framerates in some titles are so borderline, a good OC could really help a lot. Even 3-4 frames is significant when you are under 60FPS. I always go founders but if I had the physical space in my case, I'd consider aftermarket this time.
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The 4090 was the first FE card I purchased. I've been under water since 1080 Ti and can't even imagine temps above 60C at this point. If I can keep my CPU under water and the 5090 has free reign over the heat inside the case but manages below 70C, I'll be happy keeping it out of the loop. If keeping the 5090 in a loop will give me more frames, then that is another consideration down the line.
 
Blackstone said:
But I thought tearing down the 5090 founders for waterblocking it is now like a nightmare. First of all they are using liquid metal in there which is conductive--I would never tear down a 5090 founders. If you want to put a block on a 5090 I think you need to go aftermarket this time, right?
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I haven't looked into the possible ordeal of a waterblock for the new 5090 layout. For decade I've been able to slap on waterblocks with my eyes closed. Granted, it was always non-conductive thermal paste. You are now telling me they are using liquid metal? That might break me away from using a waterblock this round, atleast for the FE. I've strictly used EVGA (and would be still if they didn't belly up) before getting my 4090 FE. Going with ASUS, MSI, or another never seemed appealing. At this point, it might be necessary if I even consider a waterblock. Decisions, :D
 
Well, I've been enlightened and dissapointed at the same time in regards to choosing FE or AIB. Thanks Blackstone.

Regarding MSI, I think I'd get nauseated looking at that infinity mirror :LOL:
 
Blackstone said:
Yes, they are using liquid metal. I don't think you can watercool a founders this time. Too risky.

Well MSI has one with an infinity mirror built into it. lol
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You can clean the LM off. Anyone who has done a fair bit of delidding CPUs knows it's doable it's just much more annoying to work with and you need to be extra careful not to get it on any other components. The fact that they are using it tells you they need to get every bit of cooling they can out of this design though.
 
Blackstone said:
Well I'm sure someone will do it, but I think the point is founders edition is perhaps not the best version for a block anymore?

I'm personally going founders. I don't expect to successfully get one on launch day, but I'll try!
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I really have no idea which is the best version for a block. Probably the simplest solution would be to buy one of the pre-blocked cards from someone like Gigabyte.
 
Blackstone said:
Well I'm sure someone will do it, but I think the point is founders edition is perhaps not the best version for a block anymore?

I'm personally going founders. I don't expect to successfully get one on launch day, but I'll try!
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Interesting, but as far as I can see for the RTX 5090, AIB partners have almost everything, air, water, AIO...

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-com...ead-of-thermal-paste-to-reign-in-the-575w-tgp
https://www.inno3d.com/product/inno3d-geforce-rtx-5090-ichill-frostbite
https://rog.asus.com/graphics-cards/graphics-cards/rog-astral/rog-astral-lc-rtx5090-o32g-gaming/
https://www.msi.com/Graphics-Card/GeForce-RTX-5090-32G-SUPRIM-LIQUID-SOC
https://www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-N5090AORUSX-WB-32GD#kf
 
5080 and 5070 "price rebate" versus previous launch would have not happened if not of those numbers, 5060-5060ti and 3GB refresh line will be where that gen could be relevant....

A much stronger (they can go back to $350 if needed) 12GB 5060 (+35% at least versus a 4060) is what needed here. RE 4 still have some (even very limited RT going on, so I am not sure if they have shown a single no rt, no dlss bar yet)
 
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I mean...that isn't great, especially for the 5080. Against a 4080 Super it has to be even worse.
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Yes if you have no interest in MFG then you should not be looking to upgrade to the 50 series at all unless you are on the 30 series or older. I am personally very excited for MFG because it essentially means I can saturate my 240Hz monitor with just a 60fps base frame rate. Yes yes I know all the haters are gonna start talking about latency/input lag and what not but I primarily play single player games these days so the latency penalty isn't a huge deal in exchange for the motion clarity benefits.
 
Blackstone said:
If I was on 4090 I'd wait for a refreshed ti card at least for sure. The raw performance just isn't there.
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There will not be a Ti refresh just like how there wasn't a 4090 Ti. Lack of competition from AMD means there is no need to release such card, they can use those fully enabled dies for AI cards instead.
 
Blackstone said:
Well, for me it makes sense coming from 3090. Not sure it makes sense for anyone else. Even coming from 3090, I am underwhelmed at this point.
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Yeah everything is seriously riding on MFG at this point. If the reviews end up revealing that MFG is actually way worst than the "standard" FG with tons more artifacts or just being broken in many games then it's going to be a pass from me as well.
 
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