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9850X3D Benchmarks

CraptacularOne said:
or....just overclock a 9800X3D. It's very easy to get a 9800X3D to run at 5600Mhz
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It's very easy if you have the "right" motherboard with an FCLK clock just for the CPU? :)
Or do you mean that you/we can just throw some insane voltages for 24/7? :D
 
Ya I was interested in how AMD pulled this off voltage wise. Something about stepping and binning. What voltage does it take a 9800x3d to hit 5.6? And what voltage is the 9850x3d hitting 5.6 at stock? I wonder how big the voltage difference is?
 
AVATARAT said:
It's very easy if you have the "right" motherboard with an FCLK clock just for the CPU? :)
Or do you mean that you/we can just throw some insane voltages for 24/7? :D
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Um no, you can just set the ratio to 56 in the bios. The 9800X3D is fully unlocked for overclocking unlike the previous 7800X3D. You don't need any special motherboard at all nor do you need "insane" voltages.
 
funkydmunky said:
Or a 7800X3d. or wait!
9850 don't oc?
WTF!
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I'm sure the 9850X3D will overclock. My statement was referring to the price comment above mine. You can save money and get 9850X3D performance by just overclocking a 9800X3D. Why is that so hard to understand? I'm sure the ceiling will be higher on a 9850X3D but for the baseline 5600Mhz it's really not that hard to do on a 9800X3D.
 
CraptacularOne said:
I'm sure the 9850X3D will overclock. My statement was referring to the price comment above mine. You can save money and get 9850X3D performance by just overclocking a 9800X3D. Why is that so hard to understand? I'm sure the ceiling will be higher on a 9850X3D but for the baseline 5600Mhz it's really not that hard to do on a 9800X3D.
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Yeah, the 9850X3D is just a 9800X3D for people who don't know how to overclock, or don't want to. Specs are exactly the same aside from the higher baseline. I highly doubt they'll overclock better than the 9800X3D. AMD has always done this.
 
xDiVolatilX said:
Well

You've over clocked the 9800X3D to 5.8GHz? What voltage ⚡?
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I don't have a 9800X3D. The 9850X3D has an advertised boost of 5650MHz, like a 9900X. Then add your +200 on top of that with PBO and you get to the top clocks.

I have a 9900X.
 
I have heard the mem-controler is highly binned and I've heard of support for near 10, 000 MT capable.
Maybe that will be the enthusiast magic sauce for those who desire.
But I can see, if true, why AMD isn't pushing that point at the moment.
 
So in this benchmark video it's showing the

9800x3d @ 1.15v

And the

9850x3d @ 1.25v

This is very low voltage for both right?

For Intel anything below 1.3v is considered very safe.

What is the safe ceiling for for AMD? To compare to Intel would you guys say the equivalent safe limit is 1.3v also? Or lower like the 9850x3ds 1.25v?
 
xDiVolatilX said:
So in this benchmark video it's showing the

9800x3d @ 1.15v

And the

9850x3d @ 1.25v

This is very low voltage for both right?

For Intel anything below 1.3v is considered very safe.

What is the safe ceiling for for AMD? To compare to Intel would you guys say the equivalent safe limit is 1.3v also? Or lower like the 9850x3ds 1.25v?
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I've got my 9800X3D dialed in at 5425MHz and 1.23V. I'm not 100% certain on the max safe limit, yet my 9950X3D and 9800X3D would hit 1.39 to 1.4V at stock.
 
I was just playing with OCCT a little bit, but you can see she wanted to go. If I had my CPU fans running at full speed to grab the chill in the air then it would have.

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Also, I meant to say 1.415 teehee.. still got a lil bit to go..
 
The problem is not the safe voltages, but that in manual mode OC Ryzen stops maintaining temperature.

So yes, we can set the 9800x3D to manual mode at 5600 MHz, but we have to very carefully manage what software we are going to run, because if we run something very heavy, it will shut down immediately.
Normally PBO manages the CPU frequency, but manual OC will just run it at 5600 MHz.

So yeah, somehow we can play games with manual OC and it's really better because we gain some ns that normally PBO uses to manage the frequency and that's a plus for gaming, but we can't control the temperature and that's a risk of CPU overheating.

Here's a clear picture regarding that, here the processor is only at 5250MHz but in manual OC, and you can see that it easily hit 98C (194w).
image_id_3482211.jpeg

Because that's why I asked how this "5.6GHz" is achieved, because with an expensive motherboard that has a clock generator that can increase the FCLK of just the CPU, then the PBO can reach a really high frequency where it will also maintain its temperature.

So AMD are playing a bit of a tricky game here with this and just selling some "frequency numbers" because they control it via AGESA. Of course, they combine this with good binned chips.
 
El_Capitan said:
Yeah, the 9850X3D is just a 9800X3D for people who don't know how to overclock, or don't want to. Specs are exactly the same aside from the higher baseline. I highly doubt they'll overclock better than the 9800X3D. AMD has always done this.
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What other chip has AMD specifically up-binned for use as a completely different SKU? And did that chip not overclock better than the original model that it was based on?

The 5700x3d was a down-binned 5800x3d and provided 5% less performance for 20% less cost. From most sources the 9850x3d will have a similar spread.

Not saying that the 9850x3d isnt going to be a terrible price /performance vs the 9800x3d when MSRP is concerned, but it’s always been diminishing returns at the highest end of performance. Hell the 9800x3d is terrible price/performance wise vs the 7800x3d right now but haven’t seen many of the same talking points on that front.

Not excusing the naked cash grab this is with AMD effectively insourcing the silicon lottery to claim the pot, but paying more for less performance gain at the top of the market is a tale as old as time.
 
yinzerniner said:
What other chip has AMD specifically up-binned for use as a completely different SKU? And did that chip not overclock better than the original model that it was based on?

The 5700x3d was a down-binned 5800x3d and provided 5% less performance for 20% less cost. From most sources the 9850x3d will have a similar spread.

Not saying that the 9850x3d isnt going to be a terrible price /performance vs the 9800x3d when MSRP is concerned, but it’s always been diminishing returns at the highest end of performance. Hell the 9800x3d is terrible price/performance wise vs the 7800x3d right now but haven’t seen many of the same talking points on that front.

Not excusing the naked cash grab this is with AMD effectively insourcing the silicon lottery to claim the pot, but paying more for less performance gain at the top of the market is a tale as old as time.
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I don't use AMD CPU's or GPU's much, but from what I remember, the Ryzen 1700 and 1800X were exactly the same spec-wise, but the 1800X just had a higher base and boost clock. I think the FX-8320E and FX-9590 were pretty much the same, too. When I got back into building computers, I actually had a Phenom II x3 720 BE that could unlock it's 4th core, and overclocked it to be pretty much the same as a Phenom II x4 955 BE. The 5600 and a 5600X, both were the same spec-wise, too.
 
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AVATARAT said:
The problem is not the safe voltages, but that in manual mode OC Ryzen stops maintaining temperature.

So yes, we can set the 9800x3D to manual mode at 5600 MHz, but we have to very carefully manage what software we are going to run, because if we run something very heavy, it will shut down immediately.
Normally PBO manages the CPU frequency, but manual OC will just run it at 5600 MHz.

So yeah, somehow we can play games with manual OC and it's really better because we gain some ns that normally PBO uses to manage the frequency and that's a plus for gaming, but we can't control the temperature and that's a risk of CPU overheating.

Here's a clear picture regarding that, here the processor is only at 5250MHz but in manual OC, and you can see that it easily hit 98C (194w).
View attachment 777969

Because that's why I asked how this "5.6GHz" is achieved, because with an expensive motherboard that has a clock generator that can increase the FCLK of just the CPU, then the PBO can reach a really high frequency where it will also maintain its temperature.

So AMD are playing a bit of a tricky game here with this and just selling some "frequency numbers" because they control it via AGESA. Of course, they combine this with good binned chips.
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So what temperatures are you guys seeing on your 9800 x 3ds?
I'm going to water coal mine with triple radiators and an alpha water block.
What cooling are you guys using for yours?
 
Why not use a triple rad custom WC unless you trying to cram everything into a small form factor. I used 3 360 rad thr last time I WC with a 5950x and 3080ti.
 
I'm kinda getting the sense from some of these responses that many are not going to be able to run the 9850x3d at stock 5.6 because of the temps and cooling? Like if a game uses all core pretty heavily like BF6 or similar CPU heavy titles?
 
xDiVolatilX said:
I'm kinda getting the sense from some of these responses that many are not going to be able to run the 9850x3d at stock 5.6 because of the temps and cooling? Like if a game uses all core pretty heavily like BF6 or similar CPU heavy titles?
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Don't worry about our temperatures and cooling, they are good.
It's just that Ryzen isn't Intel in terms of OC, there are just a lot of differences/specifics :)

9800x3D is made to run at 5250MHz and with PBO boost +200 more. And PBO manages temperature/volume/frequency very well.
AMD will just add on 9850x3D a bit more single core frequency boost, and the multithreading on all cores will probably remain pretty much the same.
 
AVATARAT said:
Don't worry about our temperatures and cooling, they are good.
It's just that Ryzen isn't Intel in terms of OC, there are just a lot of differences/specifics :)

9800x3D is made to run at 5250MHz and with PBO boost +200 more. And PBO manages temperature/volume/frequency very well.
AMD will just add on 9850x3D a bit more single core frequency boost, and the multithreading on all cores will probably remain pretty much the same.
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Not worried, just curious other chiming in other than you 🙂
 
xDiVolatilX said:
There's also a 5090 in the loop.
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Say no more :D

xDiVolatilX said:
Just curious if it needed undervolting like the Intel chips which runs surprisingly nice once you tune them
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Undervolting is lame to me. If you can add power, and clocks, then that is what you must do.

In that screenshot I showed my 160w CPU at might as well call it 300w PPT with PBO.

Why? Well.. GFlops is life :)
 
freeagentt said:
Say no more :D


Undervolting is lame to me. If you can add power, and clocks, then that is what you must do.

In that screenshot I showed my 160w CPU at might as well call it 300w PPT with PBO.

Why? Well.. GFlops is life :)
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Lol

What do you mean when you say PPT with PBO?
 
xDiVolatilX said:
Meaning it is generally safe to keep it under 1.3v for Intel. What is the safe limit for AMD? Was it really that complicated? Lol
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Yes odd. Why do any relative power #'s from 2 different CPU's matter?
Focus on the reality of one CPU.
 
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