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Your favorite WebDesign Software?

I just use Textpad. Glad to see I'm not the only one who does :) I also use Textpad for Java and some C++ programming. It's such a nice little program.

I've also used Dreamweaver in the past, but I find myself switching to the text mode, to type out the HTML by hand a lot.
 
draconius said:
thats why you should just use CSS rather than tables ;)

of course, thats just my .02$, but take that from a person (me) who used to design using tables all the time.
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what? you can write pages without using tables? Teach me. Im forevering adjusting my tables for compatibility cause of IE padding etc.

I cant even imagine how you get your design without tables honestly. Im not expert by anymeans, but writing a site without tables just sounds impossible.
 
SKiTLz said:
what? you can write pages without using tables? Teach me. Im forevering adjusting my tables for compatibility cause of IE padding etc.

I cant even imagine how you get your design without tables honestly. Im not expert by anymeans, but writing a site without tables just sounds impossible.
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Divs + CSS = tableless.
 
inotocracy said:
I just love its simplicity, of course there are editors that have the same features as Textpad (see Bluefish) but I just find Textpad to be so, whats the word, light weight while still retaining some kind of complexity to it. The way it handles indentation, tabulation, syntax highlighting, file locking. Not really sure, I just cant seem to recreate the experience I get while programming PHP/HTML/CSS in Textpad in other editors.
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Much the same things I like about kate, really. To each his own. :)
 
SKiTLz said:
what? you can write pages without using tables? Teach me. Im forevering adjusting my tables for compatibility cause of IE padding etc.

I cant even imagine how you get your design without tables honestly. Im not expert by anymeans, but writing a site without tables just sounds impossible.
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If you have been doing HTML for a while, the switch will be harder than for someone who is barely starting out. The new generation of web developers cannot compehend why you would use tables. For the most part I agree that CSS > HTML tables. Tables are meant for tabular data not layout.

That being said, CSS implementation across different browsers is pretty incosistent. It's easy for an "old school" HTML guy to retreat to table + shim combo. At the end of the day, your manager isn't going to care that you spent X amount of hours to get a background image to show up correctly when trying to float some columns. It's all about ROI, delivery dates, etc for the company. In order to transition to CSS, you have to make a compelling argument that will make business sense.

At the end of the day, is the transition worth it? Definitely, CSS is cleaner and more flexible. There's a host of of other advantages, but these two are highest ranking in my book.
 
joormotha said:
If you have been doing HTML for a while, the switch will be harder than for someone who is barely starting out. The new generation of web developers cannot compehend why you would use tables. For the most part I agree that CSS > HTML tables. Tables are meant for tabular data not layout.

That being said, CSS implementation across different browsers is pretty incosistent. It's easy for an "old school" HTML guy to retreat to table + shim combo. At the end of the day, your manager isn't going to care that you spent X amount of hours to get a background image to show up correctly when trying to float some columns. It's all about ROI, delivery dates, etc for the company. In order to transition to CSS, you have to make a compelling argument that will make business sense.

At the end of the day, is the transition worth it? Definitely, CSS is cleaner and more flexible. There's a host of of other advantages, but these two are highest ranking in my book.
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so let me see If I get it..

Rather than using a <td> as a column you would just basically pad everything with <div>'s ?. Im really having a hard time visualizing how I would creat page structure without my tables. Just been using them so long.
 
SKiTLz said:
so let me see If I get it..

Rather than using a <td> as a column you would just basically pad everything with <div>'s ?. Im really having a hard time visualizing how I would creat page structure without my tables. Just been using them so long.
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think in these terms:

instead of using: <table><tr><td></td><td></td></td></table> you use 2 div's (or 3). You control how they appear in the layout with CSS (float, clear, etc). Hit a goole search for CSS two column layout. It's all about hierarchy and inheritance.
 
SKiTLz said:
so let me see If I get it..

Rather than using a <td> as a column you would just basically pad everything with <div>'s ?. Im really having a hard time visualizing how I would creat page structure without my tables. Just been using them so long.
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Basically you divide your content up like you would for tables. Decide what content you want to have and where it should go. You put each "section" of content (nav, sidebar, footer, main content, etc.) in its own div, then you use CSS attributes (float and position are the main ones) to define where it shows up on the page.
 
Dreamweaver 8 - HTML, ASP, PHP, CSS. Also, I do a LOT of MS Office document conversions to HTML, and DW is an invaluable tool for instantly turning scary Office markup into clean HTML.
Photoshop CS2 - graphics, logos, image editing/optimizing.
S.L.U.G.S. - excellent tool for picking colors and generating color schemes
 
maw said:
Dreamweaver 8 - HTML, ASP, PHP, CSS. Also, I do a LOT of MS Office document conversions to HTML, and DW is an invaluable tool for instantly turning scary Office markup into clean HTML.
Photoshop CS2 - graphics, logos, image editing/optimizing.
S.L.U.G.S. - excellent tool for picking colors and generating color schemes
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Have a link for this SLUGS at all? Thats one of my biggest problems, selecting color schemes.

I did a quick search and came up blank.
 
SKiTLz said:
so let me see If I get it..

Rather than using a <td> as a column you would just basically pad everything with <div>'s ?. Im really having a hard time visualizing how I would creat page structure without my tables. Just been using them so long.
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<div><div></div><div><div></div><div></div></div></div>

Those tags could create a fixed-width page with two columns, the right column having a heading DIV. Of course they could be used for a lot more than that, but you get the idea.

What's really elegant about it is that you can use CSS to define five different DIVs and then simply reference that CSS file in every page you design, thus drastically reducing the amount of coding and tweaking per page.

I'm just getting used to CSS myself...I went seven years without touching web design, now I'm having to relearn it all because things have changed so much. Back in the old days, frames were still acceptable :)
 
SKiTLz said:
Have a link for this SLUGS at all? Thats one of my biggest problems, selecting color schemes.

I did a quick search and came up blank.
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I think they either stopped making it or they got bought out. You can still find a slightly older copy of the standalone version here. (version 2.1, though the copy i have is 2.3) Also, it looks like you can get it as a plug-in for HTML-Kit.

If you want version 2.3 I can email it to you (535K), though i really don't notice any difference between 2.1 and 2.3.
 
It looks like Mac people don't have many options. So far, the only programs listed are BBEdit, Dreamweaver, and Vim. Any one know of some other decent OS or free editors?
 
For those of you who used Allaire/Macromedia Homesite, the same creator wrote TopStyle. Though I loved Homesite, I'm starting to dig TopStyle. Great program!
 
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