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AMD has just had the worst 6 months in its entire history! will it strike back with an amazing chip? I just got an am2 mobo I hope its not going to be obsolete that quick.
 
So... basically you either don't read the news, ever... or you think someone here is a fortune teller... or both. Does that about sum it up?

Seriously though, I'm sure you can find plenty of articles about AMD's upcoming Barcelona chips (formerly known as K8L). They'll be quad-core, with dual-core versions later on... they supposedly have tons of improvements over the now-old K8 core... AMD claims they think it'll be up to 40% faster than Core 2 Duo... so on and so forth. The fact of the matter is that's all encouraging and we all hope AMD will "strike back" since competition in the CPU market is always good, but the fact of the matter is that nobody on this forum knows for sure if AMD's next chip will be faster than Intel's current stock, or even competitive.

If you want a good start, go check out www.dailytech.com and do a search for "Barcelona."

And just so you know, there will be AM2-compatible versions of Barcelona, so your board isn't obsolete yet.
 
I just read a review about amd's new chip it consumes twice as much power as a core 2 duo and the mobos are expensive as hell FX 74 yeh right. maybe when the native quad core comes out but until then....

btw are they realeasing a whole new socket with barcelona?
 
Dont know but rumor has it AM3 isnt too far away.


This is why i hate AMD sometimes. Socket changes almost yearly.
Intel can ride a socket out for years.
 
Why do people keep saying AMD is going to be finished? For a long time, AMD had the better products, but now Intel does. AMD will come out with a better product, then Intel will better that, then AMD will better that....starting to see a cycle?

BTW, not to knock on AMD or Intel, but neither company is really good with future compatibility. While Intel may keep the same socket, you still need a new chipset and mobo...so...the only use is backwards compatibility.

This is coming from a person who has never owned an AMD chip in their main computer.
 
Let's just put it this way-

AMD was in far worse shape in the last years of the K7, but they were certainly able to hang on and bounce back. AMD is not that far behind. The AM2 and the bus architecture is perfectly able to support something to rival intel's core Duo 2- its just a matter of getting it out.
 
ThermoNuke said:
Dont know but rumor has it AM3 isnt too far away.


This is why i hate AMD sometimes. Socket changes almost yearly.
Intel can ride a socket out for years.
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And once INTEL goes to IMC they too will have to change socket type constantly. So expect it to happen.
 
I just hope AMD won't die out like VIA and 3dfx (The Voodoo multicore cards :( ) and stuff. You know just start thinking more is better like intel and the pentium clock speeds. AMD's 4x4 system thing sounds soooo much like this...
 
VIA is still around. 3DFX went the way of the Dodo for bad strategy.. AMD is hear for now and future. Hurray AMD!
 
G66 said:
AMD has just had the worst 6 months in its entire history!
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Ahh damnit. Did they re-release the K-6s? Time to watch the top of the line AMDs get humiliated by a year old Celeron again.
Or are they just being sued by Intel for illegally producing 486 clones without a license (or architecture of their own) again?
 
FreiDOg said:
Ahh damnit. Did they re-release the K-6s? Time to watch the top of the line AMDs get humiliated by a year old Celeron again.
Or are they just being sued by Intel for illegally producing 486 clones without a license (or architecture of their own) again?
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WTF don't get you there maybe you should elaborate...

K-6's... celerons... are you being sarcastic... oh well i give up...

also VIA is still around but barely, they have a marginal market share and next to know one [Only HC techies like us :)] knows about them...
 
Hmm,

Last I saw, AMD still produced chips that can handle today's software quite nicely, for the vast majority of users. Their chips also perform quite well when it comes to today's games. Not everyone is going to need a dual core CPU for their gaming, and even a sub-100 dollar CPU (such as the Socket 939 Opterons) can do just fine.

It's not quite the same as it was back in the later part of the 90's, when they were having massive problems with the K5 and K6 lineup, and their best K6 chips were inferior to Intel's chips at games which thrived on pipelined FPU's...

Nobody can argue that Intel currently has the lead with Core2 Duo versus today's Athlon 64. Before that, nobody could argue that AMD had the lead with the Athlon 64 versus the Pentium 4. Before that, Intel had the lead when comparing the Pentium 4 to the Athlon XP, and before that AMD had the lead when comparing the Athlon with the Pentium III.

These guys have been trading blows for years, and have been trading the crown back and forth. With so many good choices today, we, the consumers, are the ones who benefit, in the end.

I am in no hurry to upgrade, and when I do, I'll be taking a long hard look at Barcelona versus Conroe, and seeing which one gives me the best bang / buck, that whoever gives me the best CPU for 200 bucks, is going to get my business.
 
No, they're never going to release anything ever again.















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Waitin' to pop the quad core in my system. Shouldn't be too far off. :)
 
G66 said:
I just read a review about amd's new chip it consumes twice as much power as a core 2 duo and the mobos are expensive as hell FX 74 yeh right. maybe when the native quad core comes out but until then....

btw are they realeasing a whole new socket with barcelona?
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Are you sure you were reading about Barcelona? I think you may have that confused with Quad FX. Just an FYI, Quad FX and Barcelona are NOT the same thing. As far as the new socket, there will be a new socket, but Barcelona will work just fine with AM2 socket boards, although a BIOS udpate will probably be required. There are some power saving features that Barcelona has that AM2 based boards will not benifit from, but other than that they'll run just fine.
 
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Different year, same story. Its all ebb and flow my friend. The same exact thing could have been said about Intel a year ago. Its like a sine wave, sometimes they are on a peak and other times they are in a trough. The current trend has Intel on the peak, and AMD is not....but trends are just that, trends.
 
Alright lets look into my crystal ball and see what will happen in the future:

Q3 2007 - AMD will release the desktop version of their "Barcelona" processors named Agena which should out do Concore in performance.

Q1 2008 - Intel will release their Yorkfield processors which is sort of a 45nm successor to Conroe, which will compete with if not out perform the Agena processors.

Q2/Q3 2008 - AMD will relase their AM3 processors which should out perform Intel's Yorkfield processors

Q3/Q4 2008 - Intel will release their "Nehalem" architecture which should be in competition with the AM3 processors.

2009 - Both Intel and AMD with release processors that use an intergrated graphics processor. Intel's will be named "Gesher", AMD's will be named "Fusion" respectively.

Note: This is all subject to change, nothing is written in stone, but this is the out look at the moment.

See a trend? ;)
 
G66 said:
I just hope AMD won't die out like VIA and 3dfx (The Voodoo multicore cards :( ) and stuff. You know just start thinking more is better like intel and the pentium clock speeds. AMD's 4x4 system thing sounds soooo much like this...
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Heh.. funny, considering via is stronger than they've ever been. They have their fingers in so many pots, I doubt they'll ever go under. They have their own cpus, audio, chipsets, (and coming soon, video - which I think is a mistake) as well as an IMMENSE embedded controller market. Look at your computer.. pull out the harddrive, examine it's motherboard.. there's probably a via part on it. now do the same with your monitor, cell phone, mouse, remote control, tv, keyboard, mp3 player, speakers.. etc.. If it's digital, via makes something for it..

(or ibm)
 
Yeah, VIA is not going anywhere... nVidia may have stolen much of their higher end chipset thunder starting with the intro of nForce2, but that's about it. Just about any budget motherboard or budget retail PC is using either a VIA or SiS chipset. Even a lot of laptops that don't say Centrino on them and just Pentium M is likely using a VIA or SiS chipset. Not to mention all the other stuff CyberDeus-RagDoll mentioned.
 
amd will strike back. Does a granny strike back when a big burly dude snatches her purse? you betcha.
 
When AMD beats up Intel, it's David vs Goliath. When Intel beats up AMD, it's the little runt that bit on more than he could chew. I have a book here that says when David went up against Goliath, he slew the giant so that Goliath never bothered David again. It depends if you believe the little runt swearing to the other guy from swollen lips under bruised cheeks and blackened eye to "#$%^ you up tomorrow!". It's almost a sure thing the little runt will take a beating and keep on ticking.

Time is on AMD's side as well as Intel's...until state-run Chinese chip companies with massive reserves of American Dollars buys them out, of course. Until then, the little runt will get beaten and not outright killed because that big burly guy just doesn't believe the jury would buy "self-defense" for choking a little runt to death, even a pugnacious imflammatory one.

Will AMD strike back? It will try...
 
CyberDeus-RagDoll said:
Heh.. funny, considering via is stronger than they've ever been. They have their fingers in so many pots, I doubt they'll ever go under. They have their own cpus, audio, chipsets, (and coming soon, video - which I think is a mistake)
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If I recall correctly, didn't VIA buy S3 anyways? That gives them a good share of the low-end graphics market.
 
This is a theory:

AMD is a necessary annoyance for Intel. Intel has a virtually Unlimited amount of money. They have R&D working feverishly trying to develop chips, but releases them slowly as to keep prices and market share high. For example- Intel was loosing marketshare to the better AMD products, low and behold, they pull out a new, better CPU- Core Duo 2. They had that chip for 2-3 years, but were holding it till they needed it- SPECUALATION


AMD is trying to develop technolgies at the pace they can afford. AMD has a much lower budget, but have done very well with OUT of the Box type thinking.

If AMD as a company folded, then Intel would have endless lawsuits and regulations for being a Monopoly. Intel can afford a 80% market share if it means getting more profit and less regulation.

My numbers may not be 100% correct, but you get the idea. I am hoping for AMD to release a chip that makes all others pale in comparison. I still have faith in AMD, but use Intel for now.
 
ThermoNuke said:
Dont know but rumor has it AM3 isnt too far away.


This is why i hate AMD sometimes. Socket changes almost yearly.
Intel can ride a socket out for years.
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That is so backwards from reality it's almost funny. AMD has consistently had a more stable socket platform and upgrade path for each socket. With Intel, they might release CPU's with the same pin count, and call the socket the same name, but different models of CPU won't work, and will need a new chipset to go with that seemingly old socket.
Who here thinks the next arch. from Intel will ride the current socket? Nehalem (sp) will need a new socket, and I bet Penryn will need all new chipsets to work (even though Intel will pretend it's the same socket by naming it the same thing)
 
CZ100B said:
That is so backwards from reality it's almost funny. AMD has consistently had a more stable socket platform and upgrade path for each socket. With Intel, they might release CPU's with the same pin count, and call the socket the same name, but different models of CPU won't work, and will need a new chipset to go with that seemingly old socket.
Who here thinks the next arch. from Intel will ride the current socket? Nehalem (sp) will need a new socket, and I bet Penryn will need all new chipsets to work (even though Intel will pretend it's the same socket by naming it the same thing)
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No, looks like you got it back wards. The first AMD Chipset sucked, Old past VIA craptacular Chipsets sucked for most folks. So did early nVidia boards. What Joo talkin' about? Penryn will need DDR3 or be bottlenecked. I hope like hell they have something more than what the have now. A new chipset would be a good thing, not bad.

Right now I have an HP 744 (daughter's computer) that can't run my old 2700+ at the correct speed because it doesn't support 333MHz FSB, only 266Mhz. Bad enough mine is OEM but other 3rd party boards had this same problem. This same thing happened again with 400MHz FSB. There are plenty of Planned Obsolescence built into AMD and Intel Chipsets, many time Board Makers are at fault. When we get any kind of long term use from either, we're lucky:)

No free pass for Intel as they sucked and stunk up the place after i875 and before i965P. The whole 915's, 3 different 925s, i945/948, 955 and 975 were the same socket but not continuity at all, just absolutely sucked:rolleyes: We'll never see the days of the 440BX or 939, forget that! The same socket means nothing with the frequent Chipset, RAM and PCI-E changes. Some of this is the Motherboard makers doings as well.
 
whoa, i didn't know that there were going to be barcelona chips, am2 style.

i think this further solidifies my intent to pick up a 6000+/biostar tforce 550 combo on monday after the price drop. i mean, for ~190 you can compete with an E6600, how can you turn that down? :)

anyone know how much the intel line will drop by 4/22?
 
of course amd will strike back, every company will, its just a cycle and right now intel is on top like back in pentiums.

and even if they dont, i doubt intel will try to kill them off, intel would then be considered a monopoly and would probably have the governments start to go after it
 
PinchyCM said:
whoa, i didn't know that there were going to be barcelona chips, am2 style.

i think this further solidifies my intent to pick up a 6000+/biostar tforce 550 combo on monday after the price drop. i mean, for ~190 you can compete with an E6600, how can you turn that down? :)

anyone know how much the intel line will drop by 4/22?
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Intel price cuts:
http://www.techpowerup.com/index.php?22099

Agena (Desktop variant of Barcelona) and Kuma (the dual core K8L chips) will both work on AM2 boards (probably with a BIOS update), but you loose the advanced power saving features AM2+ boards will enable. Traditional Cool 'n Quiet should work fine though.
 
PinchyCM said:
whoa, i didn't know that there were going to be barcelona chips, am2 style.

i think this further solidifies my intent to pick up a 6000+/biostar tforce 550 combo on monday after the price drop. i mean, for ~190 you can compete with an E6600, how can you turn that down? :)

anyone know how much the intel line will drop by 4/22?
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Sure, but I can upgrade my current system to Quad Core next week if I wanted to. That's why C2D is still the best RIGHT NOW. I'm not so sure neither New Gen processor will work on old boards with just a BIOS update or that even if it did, would we still want the old boards.

Then compete yes but only until the overclocking starts.
 
FreiDOg said:
Intel price cuts:
http://www.techpowerup.com/index.php?22099

Agena (Desktop variant of Barcelona) and Kuma (the dual core K8L chips) will both work on AM2 boards (probably with a BIOS update), but you loose the advanced power saving features AM2+ boards will enable. Traditional Cool 'n Quiet should work fine though.
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thanks for that

would you rather buy a e6600 for 224 or a x2 6000+ for 190? (and have to wait 3 weeks for the e6600) i'd need to get board too, i suppose.

the x2 6000+ is being bundled with a biostar tforce 550 for free right now and the e6600 doesn't really come bundled with much else. :(

i'm looking for bang/buck right now... and i think if the bundle holds up come monday morning, i may have to go with the amd set...
 
PinchyCM said:
thanks for that

would you rather buy a e6600 for 224 or a x2 6000+ for 190? (and have to wait 3 weeks for the e6600) i'd need to get board too, i suppose.

the x2 6000+ is being bundled with a biostar tforce 550 for free right now and the e6600 doesn't really come bundled with much else. :(

i'm looking for bang/buck right now... and i think if the bundle holds up come monday morning, i may have to go with the amd set...
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There are a lot of good affordable mobos available right now for AM2. Newegg also has a good deal on Geil GX22GB6400UDCA DDR2-800 ram ($140) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820144062. I've been contemplating the Abit KN9 (non-sli) nForce4 mobo for $73 since I have an nForce 4 mobo now and I wouldn't have to mess with chipset drivers. With a X2 3600+ Brisbane, Abit mobo and Geil ram the total would be $278 + shipping. That isn't too bad considering everything else I have could remain as-is.
 
yeah - intel may rule the top end right now, but amd still is very competitive in the midrange/low end.

even more so with its huge price slashes come monday.

hopefully that combo sticks, because if it does, i'll have myself an 6000+/tforce 550 coming on wednesday :p
 
I agree with the last post. AMD is healthy and their competitive prices are keeping them alive in the mid an lower end segments (where most chip sales are). I have heard good things are coming. Stay tuned...........
 
oops, the 5600+ is the only one being bundled with the tforce board.

the 6000+ is being bundled with a asus M2NPV-VM board :( . either way, great bang for the buck. :)
 
I'm shocked no one has brought up the lawsuits AMD filed against intel for illegal price fixing/quota based rewards. IMO, when the suits get settled on this, there will be Billions changing hands.
 
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