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Turion 64 X2 Released

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Hito Bahadur

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Look at this press release:

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_543~108456,00.html

SUNNYVALE, Calif. -- May 17, 2006 --AMD (NYSE: AMD) today introduced AMD Turion™ 64 X2 mobile technology, the first and only family of 64-bit dual-core processors designed for thin and light notebook PCs. AMD Turion 64 X2 mobile technology allows people to get more from their mobile lifestyle through long battery life and outstanding performance, even when using multiple applications simultaneously, including demanding digital media applications.

Continuing its technology leadership, AMD also is bringing 64-bit computing to the Mobile AMD Sempron™ processor family. Now AMD delivers the only complete mobile product portfolio offering the ability to seamlessly transition between 32- and 64-bit computing.

“AMD is first to market with the only 64-bit dual-core mobile processor, driving the wave of next-generation mobile platforms that are ready today to run the upcoming 64-bit version of Microsoft Windows Vista™,” said Chris Cloran, vice president, AMD Mobile Division. “This is advanced mobile technology for the office or home, packing dual-core processing for extreme multi-tasking, 64-bit computing, extended battery life and cutting-edge technology from industry leaders in wireless, connectivity and graphics.”

Using an open standards-based approach, AMD collaborates with industry leaders in graphics and wireless solutions to enable OEM customers to deliver feature-rich notebooks that stand out from the crowd of overly standardized choices. AMD Turion 64 X2 mobile technology-based notebooks will offer outstanding graphics and leading wireless solutions for a visually engaging experience, and high-speed connectivity throughout the home or office.

"AMD dual-core technology will help provide HP consumer and commercial notebook customers the freedom to work and play virtually anytime, anywhere," said Ted Clark, senior vice president and general manager, Notebook Global Business Unit, HP. "Our consumer notebooks based on AMD's Turion 64 X2 mobile technology, including the latest HP Pavilion and Compaq Presario models, offer outstanding performance, mobile entertainment and a stylish new look."

AMD Turion 64 X2 mobile technology is based on the same industry-leading Direct Connect Architecture featured in the AMD Opteron™ and AMD Athlon™ 64 X2 processors, providing high-speed links between cores, memory and I/O for increased system performance. The advanced feature set of AMD Turion 64 X2 mobile technology also includes:

* Multi-core Power Management, enabling reduced power consumption for extended battery life;
* AMD Digital Media Xpress for accelerated image processing, audio and video encoding and decoding, 3D graphic rendering; and
* AMD Virtualization, providing improved performance, reliability, and security for virtualized environments.

Business professionals and consumers worldwide can expect to see notebooks based on AMD Turion 64 X2 mobile technology in retail stores and through commercial distribution channels this quarter. Systems are initially expected from Acer, ASUS, BenQ, Flocity, FSC, Fujitsu, Gateway, HP, MSI, NEC, Packard Bell, Sotec and TongFang.

AMD also has taken the next step in the evolution of its open platform approach by collaborating with ATI Technologies Inc. and NVIDIA Corporation to deliver mobile reference designs based on leading, open industry-standard technologies. These reference designs are an example of best practices in notebook PC development based on AMD and collaborative technologies. The reference designs help ensure AMD customers get to market more quickly, and also help reduce platform development costs.

AMD Turion 64 X2 mobile technology is the only mobile processor today that is optimized for the 64-bit versions of the upcoming Microsoft Windows Vista operating system. AMD has worked closely with Microsoft to identify and develop key hardware components in support of Microsoft Windows Vista, the next generation Windows® operating system. In addition to high-end multimedia, premium gaming and secure commercial notebooks, AMD Turion 64 X2 mobile technology is an excellent choice for a mobile workstation-class platforms which allow customers to get high performance from their 32- and 64-bit workstation applications.

“In support of the design of Windows Vista, it is crucial to choose processors that will provide an optimal experience for the various ways in which notebooks are used,” said Mika Krammer, director, Windows Client Mobility Group. “The new and powerful AMD Turion 64 dual-core mobile technology is an excellent choice for Windows Vista.”

Extending AMD CSIP Program
With the introduction of AMD Turion 64 X2 mobile technology, AMD commenced the next stability period of its Mobile Commercial Stable Image Platform program. This provides OEMs a 15-month disk image stability period for improved system manageability. Industry-leading chipset providers for this program include ATI, NVIDIA, Atheros and Broadcom.

Expanding Mobile Channel Initiatives
AMD also is expanding its Mobile WOF (Processor in a Box/Without a Fan) offering to include AMD Turion 64 X2 mobile technology processors. With the availability of AMD Turion 64 X2 mobile technology in WOF, distributors and solution providers now have choice and flexibility when building platforms to better address the needs of their customers.

Additionally, AMD plans to work with select Original Design Manufacturers (ODM) and the channel ecosystem to deliver a broad portfolio of AMD validated, fully-configured whitebooks to small OEMs and through distribution. By offering easier access to AMD mobile technology and a broad portfolio of quality AMD-based whitebooks, the channel is able to offer their customers a richer set of differentiated solutions.

Pricing and Availability
AMD Turion 64 X2 models TL-50, TL-52, TL-56 and TL-60 are available immediately worldwide. The AMD Turion 64 X2 mobile technology family ranges from $184-$354 in 1K-unit quantities. For pricing details, please visit: http://www.amd.com/pricing.

About AMD Turion 64 X2 mobile technology
AMD Turion 64 X2 mobile technology is the most advanced family of dual-core processors made for mobility—delivering true multi-tasking performance in thin and light notebook designs, simultaneous 32- and 64-bit performance, enhanced security and richer choices for customers of all kinds.
 
The four Turion 64 X2s are priced at $184, $220, $263 and $354, respectively, when sold in batches of 1000 CPUs
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Wow, those are priced very agressively. I would love to see those prices lined up with yonah based on performance. Does anyone have the Core information? Now that both companies' products are out, I think a comparison table is in order.
 
My impression from the release and other annecdotal information is that performance per MHZ will be somewhere between Core Duo and Core Duo 2 (closer to Core Duo 2).

I'm very interested in how it does powerwise as Turion's have always struggled on this specific item when compared to Intel Mobile products.
 
visaris said:
Wow, those are priced very agressively. I would love to see those prices lined up with yonah based on performance. Does anyone have the Core information? Now that both companies' products are out, I think a comparison table is in order.
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not really, considering that the TL-60 is only 2ghz. i'll bet anything that these turions are just X2's put into a mobile setting.

it is curious that S1 got "launched" before AM2 though.. and F, the market amd says they care about most, is nowhere to be found
 
AM2 X2's?

They are S1 and support DDR2 which hasn't been done on the laptop side. There has always been some low level differences between the Turions and desktops that allow for the Turion's to have lower power production but also limits their overclockability.

I think there will be more differences between the Small Form Factor AM2 X2's (35 and 65w TDP) and the Turion 64 X2s than the previous generation. We'll have to get them on benches to find out.
 
Chip specs.

I'm a bit dissapointed to not see the full 1mb L2 on any of the chips, but I guess TDP targets win out over that.

The core duos are
2.0 - $423
1.833 - $294
1.66 - $241.

Considering I'd expect the Turion X2s to be slower than similarly clocked Core Duos, AMD's pricing is nice but not great.
 
Hito Bahadur said:
AM2 X2's?

They are S1 and support DDR2 which hasn't been done on the laptop side. There has always been some low level differences between the Turions and desktops that allow for the Turion's to have lower power production but also limits their overclockability.

I think there will be more differences between the Small Form Factor AM2 X2's (35 and 65w TDP) and the Turion 64 X2s than the previous generation. We'll have to get them on benches to find out.
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i'll be surprised if performance is different from the AM2 counterparts. i really will. but yeah, the amount of cache is somewhat dissapointing.
 
(cf)Eclipse said:
it is curious that S1 got "launched" before AM2 though.. and F, the market amd says they care about most, is nowhere to be found
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Look at it another way. The mobile market is where AMD has their weakest product against the best Intel product. Looking at current market products, the only place Intel has a better product is in the mobile market with the Core Duo going against the Turion and the low end dual Core desktop where AMD doesn't have a product.

It makes sense that AMD would present the solution for this market first.
 
(cf)Eclipse said:
i'll be surprised if performance is different from the AM2 counterparts. i really will. but yeah, the amount of cache is somewhat dissapointing.
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Much higher memory bandwidth though. I haven't seen any numbers, but I'd be surprised if the Core Duo isn't memory starved with such a low FSB speed trying to feed 2 cores. This probably balances the low cache issue.
 
TL-50 1.6GHz, 2x256KB L2
TL-52 1.6GHz, 2x512KB L2
TL-56 1.8GHz, 2x512KB L2
TL-60 2.0GHz, 2x512KB L2

35W TDP, dual channel DDR2-667

Looks like AMD went for price instead of absolute performance. Yonah looks like it still holds the mobile performance crown, at the low and high ends. And Yonah LV/ULV still use the least power by far for mobile dual core chips.
 
The Turion TL-56 is a dual-core 1.8GHz part with 2 x 512K cache and dual-channel DDR2-667, running at only 33W for $263.

An Opteron 165 @ 1.8GHz is over $300 and has a TDP around 95w.

I just don't see how you could say that these are not priced agressively.
 
pxc said:
TL-50 1.6GHz, 2x256KB L2
TL-52 1.6GHz, 2x512KB L2
TL-56 1.8GHz, 2x512KB L2
TL-60 2.0GHz, 2x512KB L2

35W TDP,
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Not all models are 35w.

The TL-50 and TL-52 both have TDPs of 31W, rising to 33W for the TL-56 and 35W for the TL-60.
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these are socket 754 no? dual core 754 woo! woo!
 
FreiDOg said:
Chip specs.

I'm a bit dissapointed to not see the full 1mb L2 on any of the chips, but I guess TDP targets win out over that.

The core duos are
2.0 - $423
1.833 - $294
1.66 - $241.

Considering I'd expect the Turion X2s to be slower than similarly clocked Core Duos, AMD's pricing is nice but not great.
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I can't presume that the Turion X2s will be slower than Core Duos, I'll have to see benches before I can decide on that as I think their specs should put them fairly even with their different architectures giving wins to both products on price however I see this lineup:

Core duo (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...&description=&srchInDesc=&minPrice=&maxPrice=)
T2600 (2.17) - $644
T2400 (1.83) - 296
T2300 (1.66) - 246

Turion (http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2387)
TL-60 (2.0) - $354
TL-56 (1.8) - $263
TL-52 (1.6 L21MB) - $220
TL-50 (1.6 L2512k) - $184

I know I'm mixing two different types of prices (retail versus 1k lots) but it's the best I have.

So the match-ups are:
T2600 - TL-60 = AMD much lower price
T2400 - TL-56 = Price competitive
T2300 - TL-52/TL-50 = price competitive/Much lower

Seems like AMD is targeting the high performance $$ limited crowd (young enthusiasts) and the budget audience based on their price comparisons..... just my 2 cents
 
FLECOM said:
these are socket 754 no? dual core 754 woo! woo!
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Not Socket 754 FLECOM sorry.....don't think there will be such a beast ever. Going to have to go 939/940/AM2/S1/SF for dual core AMD action.
 
When are laptops based on these chips going to be available? I really want a 64 bit dual core laptop with a 17" monitor and a full keyboard and keypad to boot!
 
31w sounds mighty tasty, I knew it was just a matter of time till they x2'd the turion's.
 
glad they waited to add dual ddr2 support and didn't rush with a ddr solution only to be replaced by a dual ddr2 one in a couple of months. this is the complete package

64-bit
dual-core
dual-ddr2 667
htt 1600Mhz
pacifica

I had been waiting for too long for a dual-core vista64 compatible notebook, lets wait for some more models to be shipped now, afaik there is only msi 271 and that is a 12" which is a little small for my work.
 
Wait a minute. S1 is only single-channel ddr2-667, right?

It seems odd that given the move to ddr2, they would only have 512kb cache. You'd think that larger cache sizes would help offset the latency hit from ddr2.
 
Looks good on multithreaded benchmarks though. Interesting stats. Can't wait to see more, especially one in english.
 
Not to mention have you taken a look at the die size comparisons?? Turionx2 with 2x512KB is huge in comparison to the Yonah.
 
JackPack said:
Benchmarks: http://www.matbe.com/articles/lire/299/page1.php

Look at the numbers. Ouch. :confused: No wonder AMD is using the price lever with Turion 64 X2.
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Wow, I am very surprised that the Turion X2 kept up as well as it did, and even managed to best the Yonah in a couple tests. For a budget dual-core laptop, these might be nice chips to look into.

I found this quote funny:

it is far from probable that board manufacturers mothers leave the models equipped with socket S1 since AMD will decline Athlon 64 X2 AM2
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I mean, I guess it is well known that in many Asian societies the elder matriarch runs the homestead, but who knew Asus, Abit, et al had them making decisions regarding sockets? ;)
 
NulloModo said:
Wow, I am very surprised that the Turion X2 kept up as well as it did, and even managed to best the Yonah in a couple tests. For a budget dual-core laptop, these might be nice chips to look into.
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Personally, I'm not impressed. The TL-60 (2.0 GHz) outperforms the T2500 (2.0 GHz) in only two tests: ScienceMark and WAV -> MP3 conversion.

As for price, the TL-60 is currently $354. T2500 is currently $423. But in less than two weeks, Intel cuts it to $294.

Unless a consumer is bent on having 64-bit, Core Duo seems to be the better choice.
 
NulloModo said:
Wow, I am very surprised that the Turion X2 kept up as well as it did, and even managed to best the Yonah in a couple tests. For a budget dual-core laptop, these might be nice chips to look into.
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i definitly wasn't expecting that.

nor did i realize how small the core duo is :eek:
 
Hmmmm. About what I expected.

The reason the Pentium M and Yonah perform so well on DDR2 is because Intel has MUCH better cache technology than AMD. Not only are Intel's caches smaller for the same capacity, they are also significantly lower latency.

Now that AMD doesn't have low-latency DDR, their performance REALLY suffers. WE;ll have to wait until AMD moves to 65nm before they can afford to add beefier caches and possibly reduce the latency.

Intel is going to have a performance advantage until AMD fixes their cache tech. The future is high-bandwidth and high-latency main memory.
 
defaultluser said:
Hmmmm. About what I expected.

The reason the Pentium M and Yonah perform so well on DDR2 is because Intel has MUCH better cache technology than AMD. Not only are Intel's caches smaller for the same capacity, they are also significantly lower latency.

Now that AMD doesn't have low-latency DDR, their performance REALLY suffers. WE;ll have to wait until AMD moves to 65nm before they can afford to add beefier caches and possibly reduce the latency.

Intel is going to have a performance advantage until AMD fixes their cache tech. The future is high-bandwidth and high-latency main memory.
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I'm far from an expert, but I'm sorry, that makes no sense.

...especially "Now that AMD doesn't have low-latency DDR, their performance REALLY suffers."

So why are Athlon64 on DDR2 (AM2) faster than their 939 counterparts (even if the performance increase is small). I don't see any suffering going on.
 
Hah, full performing dual core at 31W... on what process? AMD's DSL-SOI 90nm?

65nm who? :cool:
 
robberbaron said:
Hah, full performing dual core at 31W... on what process? AMD's DSL-SOI 90nm?

65nm who? :cool:
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These are 65nm processors AFAIK.
 
pxc said:
These are 65nm processors AFAIK.
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Q: Which OEMs are offering notebooks based on AMD Turion 64 mobile technology?
A: AMD Turion 64 X2 mobile technology-based platforms are expected from leading OEMs starting in June in retail stores and through commercial distribution channels.

65nm in june? :\
I'm thinking no.

Also
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_13909_13911,00.html

90nm dude. AMD has a fucking awesome 90nm process.

Though, they also called Core Duo 90nm... which is totally wrong.

http://www.amdcompare.com/us-en/notebook/

Everything points at 90nm for these parts. AMD sure knows how to milk a fab for all it's worth...
 
robberbaron said:
AMD sure knows how to milk a fab for all it's worth...
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I'll milk you for all you're worth. :D

But yeah, who said an Opteron 165 was $300? They're $277 shipped, so that's like a purchase price of $270, and it has 2x the cache. The pricing isn't terrible, but it's not fantastic either.

 
tsuehpsyde said:
I'll milk you for all you're worth. :D

But yeah, who said an Opteron 165 was $300? They're $277 shipped, so that's like a purchase price of $270, and it has 2x the cache. The pricing isn't terrible, but it's not fantastic either.

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Better bring a bucket and some towels, this is going to be a long night
 
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