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Switch 2 Reveal incomming

I love Nintendo's first party properties, but given my embarrassing Steam backlog keeping me entertained that I paid a grand total of like $5 for rather than $70 per game, I can't see myself owning this. Still, long time coming and I have no doubt Nintendo will do well with it. As for me, wake me when there's a Steam Deck 2 announcement.
 
I think for the kids (and their parents), that subjective experience of the zelda game costing a lot, and taking months to get (either having to wait for Christmas or raking up small amount of money over a long time) and being one of the few game you own and with a physical cartridge of it, could be in some way superior to the overwhelming giant list of free epyc free games and discounted steam backlog. The waiting and dreaming about getting the game was not a small part of the experience back in the day.
 
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Personally, I don't even want another Switch. It's just the means to an end, which in my case is playing a new Mario Kart and (hopefully) another Smash at some point. I'd much rather play those games on someone else's hardware at 4K/120, but that doesn't seem to ever be in the cards outside of emulation.
 
Meanwhile, however many years later the original switch is still being sold at day 1 msrp... just with a lot less scalping... because Nintendo makes sure retailers a
cant sell them for less
 
Yes, I'm most interested in what this new Gameboy has to offer (but it's coming out very late), much more than the new Switch.
 
Don't get me wrong. I have very fond memories of Nintendo. I still have mine:

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I still occasionally (but very rarely) fire them up just for some nostalgia.

But as an adult, I just cant seem to get into the Nintendo style game anymore. They were great from age 6 to like age 11, but after that I lose interest in about 5 minutes flat.
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
Don't get me wrong. I have very fond memories of Nintendo. I still have mine:

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I still occasionally (but very rarely) fire them up just for some nostalgia.

But as an adult, I just cant seem to get into the Nintendo style game anymore. They were great from age 6 to like age 11, but after that I lose interest in about 5 minutes flat.
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It really depends, they made Galaxy 2 actually hard once you got towards the end of it and I was having a blast. Same with the Wii U game (Super mario World I think?) I played odyssey and I was half way through in about 4-5 hours, completely bored out of my mind. If they make mario games challenging they're fun, if they don't they're dull. I don't really get the obsession with the new zelda games either. I never finished the first one because it was so repetitive and decided to skip the second one because of it. I want dungeons and puzzles, not repeats of the same mini dungeon I've done before and collecting 900 seeds. The Sandbox is really cool, but that wears off after a little while. The most fun I had with it was the expansion and the trials, everything else fell flat after a 20 hours or so. The most fun I had with my switch was playing through Donkey Kong Country 2 on my couch, one of the best ever.
 
Decko87 said:
It really depends, they made Galaxy 2 actually hard once you got towards the end of it and I was having a blast. Same with the Wii U game (Super mario World I think?) I played odyssey and I was half way through in about 4-5 hours, completely bored out of my mind. If they make mario games challenging they're fun, if they don't they're dull. I don't really get the obsession with the new zelda games either. I never finished the first one because it was so repetitive and decided to skip the second one because of it. I want dungeons and puzzles, not repeats of the same mini dungeon I've done before and collecting 900 seeds. The Sandbox is really cool, but that wears off after a little while. The most fun I had with it was the expansion and the trials, everything else fell flat after a 20 hours or so.
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I'll try to keep an open mind.

Maybe I've just been playing the wrong modern Nintendo games.
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
I'll try to keep an open mind.

Maybe I've just been playing the wrong modern Nintendo games.
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To be fair, I don't think there's a switch game I really liked, I got more value out of the SNES emulator. My friends want me to play whatever new mario kart there is with them so I'll probably wind up owning one at some point, but I could live without it and not care one bit that it's gone.
 
Decko87 said:
To be fair, I don't think there's a switch game I really liked, I got more value out of the SNES emulator. My friends want me to play whatever new mario kart there is with them so I'll probably wind up owning one at some point, but I could live without it and not care one bit that it's gone.
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If I recall a lot of people (at least on the more casual side of games) really liked that Animal Crossing game on the switch. (I almost called it Animal Farm, but then my brain caught itself realizing that something very different :p )

I've never tried it, but my educated guess is it really wouldn't be my cup of tea.

Most Nintendo stuff is just too cutesy for me. Great for kids, sure, and I guess some adults like that sort of thing too, but I like gritty and realistic games, and Nintendo has never really been known for gritty or realistic :p
 
Their first party titles tend to be top notch. Nintendo systems just tend to have the most shovelware of the major platforms. It's on par with the mobile gaming online stores, but maybe worse.
One of the main things I appreciate is that Nintendo still believes in couch multiplayer gaming. Whenever I get together with my old friends, we find ourselves mostly playing Nintendo systems since they're the only ones that still have games designed for face-to-face groups. There's no real reason the other systems couldn't, but they typically don't.
 
I enjoy many of Nintendo's first party properties and their peripherals (ie Ring Fit Adventure is the most comprehensive exercise game available for instance and its use of attaching JoyCons to a Leg Strap carrier + the RingCon exercise ring peripheral is truly novel. Its quite amazing that given how well it sold Nintendo offered no DLC expansions for it and hardly any updates. I very much look forward to a Switch 2 successor), but I am continually frustrated with their oppressively litigious nature and insistance on console platform lockdown exclusivity. Nintendo's campaign against Switch emulators an in fact emulation itself if it got its way is nothing short of repugnant. While thankfully the Yuzu developers' settlement avoids any chance of turning Nintendo's hostility into legal precedent and forks of these emulators, thanks to their free/libre open source license, persist it was obvious Nintendo's intent was to take veteran developers out of the community knowing that their skills could easily translate to the Switch 2 given likely platform commonalities. Instead of realizing that a significant amount of players would prefer to play Nintendo titles on their PC and thus release their games on Steam (or even Android/iOS for mobile overlap), they dig in their heels and lock things down even more.

While it appears the Switch 2 hardware will be a more modern iteration (and thankfully retains backward compatibility) it seems to be yet another mobile Tegra powered tablet; closer to a mobile device both in architecture (ie ARM) and hardware performance vs modern consoles. Like with the original Switch this had the costs of meaning developers basically needed to develop both a mainstream PC hardware version (also applied to major consoles that used similar to off the shelf items) , but also a mobile-ish Switch title which more than once resulted in issues with performance doing that sort of port and/or significant variations in quality to make up for the hardware limitations. With the Switch 2 this may again be the case, but if it is pushing a 4K display, even with a more modern SoC I am wondering if there's going to be even more reliance on upscaling, particularly DLSS thanks to the Nvidia Tegra GPU, further normalizing the practice. There is question of the operating system, but I wonder if it will be another patched HorizonOS lineage of the Switch and 3DS before it which is a little unfortunate; if its a mobile tablet, I would have liked to see a mobile tablet OS like Android, Nintendo skinned as I originally envisioned for the Switch itself - can you imagine had the Switch and its Dock come with built in version of Kodi for media play skinned to look like the Super Mario Bros 3 "curtain call" ?" - but I am sure this is no more likely than it was with the original.

I'll be interested in picking up an early version of the Switch 2 given the benefits towards modding, custom firmware, and other bits on the device for development , but frankly I'd rather just buy Nintendo games and peripherals for use on my PCs including the Steam Deck.

LukeTbk said:
I think for the kids (and their parents), that subjective experience of the zelda game costing a lot, and taking months to get (either at Christmas or raking up small amount of money) and being one of the few game you own and with a physical cartridge of it, could be in some way superior to the overwhelming giant list of free epyc free games and discounted steam backlog. The waiting and dreaming about getting the game was not a small part of the experience back in the day.
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Admittedly such things were tempered by the prevalence of game rental at video stores. Those who waited for the latest big release or title they knew was going to be on birthday or holiday wishlists was one component, but the weekly-if-not-more-often trips to rent whatever was in stock and looked of interest was a way to widen the play experience without having to buy each game.

Zarathustra[H] said:
I'll try to keep an open mind.

Maybe I've just been playing the wrong modern Nintendo games.
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There are many different kinds of "exclusive" games on Nintendo systems these days that offer varied experiences even within the same series, to say nothing for some niche titles from past generations. Alongside varied Mario, Zelda, and Metroid titles there are Smash Bros, Splatoon, Fire Emblem, Xenoblade, Bayonetta, Astral Chain, Ring Fit Adventure, Unicorn Overlord and others not counting series that were at one point exclusive to Nintendo platforms but now have PC or console releases like Octopath Traveler, Bravely Default, Wonderful 101 Remastered, No More Heroes etc. It depends on what you like to play, but while traditional tentpole franchises are present there is variation both within and outside of them. Even better, playing certain titles on emulators (though to a degree this can be done on a modded, CFW running Switch) means increased access to modding and custom content as well as graphical/feature improvements. Give me some genres you like or at least don't hate, and stuff that you specifically want to avoid and I can probably recommend a few.
 
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Zarathustra[H] said:
If I recall a lot of people (at least on the more casual side of games) really liked that Animal Crossing game on the switch. (I almost called it Animal Farm, but then my brain caught itself realizing that something very different :p )

I've never tried it, but my educated guess is it really wouldn't be my cup of tea.

Most Nintendo stuff is just too cutesy for me. Great for kids, sure, and I guess some adults like that sort of thing too, but I like gritty and realistic games, and Nintendo has never really been known for gritty or realistic :p
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For me, sometimes I just want to zone out and collect some bananas as donkey kong. I understand the gritty and realistic thing too though.
 
Decko87 said:
For me, sometimes I just want to zone out and collect some bananas as donkey kong. I understand the gritty and realistic thing too though.
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I'm of much the same angle.

Sometimes simple is really fun, especially with others. Picking up a handful of controllers, and having a hoot in a very simple game - is still a hoot.
 
I'll grab it because I do like a lot of their games. Zelda is obvious, but there are a lot of games that will be there that are really only playable properly there. I've always held firm since, probably the Wii days the way to go is PC + Nintendo, and it's even more true these days with Most other Console exclusives coming to PC.
 
KazeoHin said:
I don't really believe Nintendo would reveal hardware by itself.

After all, their take on a console is that it's purely to convert Mario to HDMI.
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I mean, the Switch had its hardware showcase on Oct 20, 2016 at that event they only showed off the hardware and its specs showing off the hybrid nature of the unit, it wasn't until Jan 13, 2017 until they showed off the first games running on it.
So this rumor has them mirroring what they already did for the Switch.
Nintendo has done a few launches where the hardware was showcased before the software in some form or another.
The Wii U was an exception, but the Wii was shown off at E3 in 2005 with the first showing of it running games wasn't until 2006, Game Cube had a similar delay between hardware and software.
Really the only "recent" exception was the Wii U, which just sort of showed up uninvited and unannounced.
 
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Decko87 said:
To be fair, I don't think there's a switch game I really liked, I got more value out of the SNES emulator. My friends want me to play whatever new mario kart there is with them so I'll probably wind up owning one at some point, but I could live without it and not care one bit that it's gone.
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I was a Sega Genesis guy as a kid but as I got older and played SNES games on emulators I realized I missed out on a lot of great games. Dare I say the SNES has the second best library of games of any console ever made. The PS3 is still #1 in my opinion. The Switch has a number of good games but a lot of them were technically remakes. Breath of the Wild was also on the WiiU. Tears of the Kingdom is just Breath of the Wild part 2. Mario Odyssey is just a sequel to Mario 64. Everything else is just a remaster or the Deluxe version which is a nice way of saying it's a WiiU game but ported to the Switch. You do have games like Kirby and the Forgotten Land and Animal Crossing but those are games I'd rather never touch. Pokémon games can just go to hell. Most other games are on PC which means it's better off on the Steam Deck. Speaking of which I wonder how much a used Steam Deck costs now? Refurbished are of course out of stock. Cheapest working used unit is $330 off Ebay. Cheapest none working unit is $230. I do like a good challenge when it comes to repairing things but at that price it's probably not worth it. Especially since the seller already believes the battery is bad and that alone is going to quickly get it to already working price range. I guess the time is just not yet.

Zarathustra[H] said:
Don't get me wrong. I have very fond memories of Nintendo. I still have mine:

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I still occasionally (but very rarely) fire them up just for some nostalgia.

But as an adult, I just cant seem to get into the Nintendo style game anymore. They were great from age 6 to like age 11, but after that I lose interest in about 5 minutes flat.
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I made the mistake of just giving away my older consoles like an idiot when I was a kid. Now I'm buying them back used and broken and repair them. Sometimes I even enhance them.
 
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an alleged employee or representative of French retailer Micromania has chimed in with fresh details about the so-called Switch 2. Reportedly, Micromania has already prepared everything internally, with prices set at between €69 and €79 for upwards of 25 launch titles.

If these prices are accurate, then Switch 2 games would cost about €10 more than current titles. Moreover, the retailer's internal database is said to have been updated with references to a new Mario Kart and even Super Mario Galaxy 3 rather than a new Super Mario Odyssey (curr. $47.89 on Amazon). A similar price rise may be in order for the console itself, which is slated to launch for €399 in the Eurozone.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lates...veals-launch-titles-and-pricing.946299.0.html
 
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If the Killswitch’s design is indeed derived from the real thing, the new console will be larger than the Switch OLED with an 8-inch screen, and feature a kickstand that will span the length of the console similar to the OLED model. That the new Switch will be larger than previous iterations is supported by leaks and info from other accessory manufacturers as well as the idea that the Joy-Con controllers will attach via magnet instead of sliding and snapping into place. The new controller design will also incorporate magnets in the joysticks to combat against the dreaded “Joy-Con drift” that plagues the Switch even now.

We can also reasonably guess at least one game that’ll be a launch title: Metroid Prime 4. Announced in 2017, and undergoing a change of studio and a development reboot two years later, Nintendo debuted gameplay footage for the first time last year and shared a soft launch window of 2025.

https://www.theverge.com/2025/1/11/24341043/nintendo-switch-2-rumors-details-leaks
 
12GB of shared RAM, a ampere 2050-level GPU that has AI upscaling capability. It won't be native 4K, it will probably output a 4K signal but AI upscale 900-1080p content to 1440p then dumb-scaled to 4K.

This is stuff we've known for years.

It's not powerful at all. About as powerful as a base PS4. Not even a Pro.

But that's okay, look what they were able to do with the Maxwell-level chip in the OG Switch. Anyone who buys Nintendo for the graphics is like someone paying a hooker for her cleaning skills.
 
Just give us mario cart and a mature gritty zelda on another platform, no interest in an over priced tablet
 
The switch was rather marvelous when it released and nintendo's games are nice enough. I imagine I am not the only one who got it on the side as the indie-box.

Shame about the restrictive company that comes attached, though. I stopped buying further into their ecosystem when the deck (and alikes) released, and I will be absorbing the loss of my digital purchases when my switch breaks down. I'm done with the "can't let you do that" mentality every time I get off the beaten path with my purchases. I won't even offer nintendo the dignity of pirating their stuff.
 
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DukenukemX said:
I made the mistake of just giving away my older consoles like an idiot when I was a kid. Now I'm buying them back used and broken and repair them. Sometimes I even enhance them.
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Eh, if emulators didn't exist I might see that as a thing. Personally I'm not caring that I don't have an Atari 2600, an Intellivision, or Colecovision, hell my NES nostalgia often lasts as long as me loading a rom then thinking to myself "Hmmm, I seem to recall it looked better back in the day"
 
sfsuphysics said:
Eh, if emulators didn't exist I might see that as a thing. Personally I'm not caring that I don't have an Atari 2600, an Intellivision, or Colecovision, hell my NES nostalgia often lasts as long as me loading a rom then thinking to myself "Hmmm, I seem to recall it looked better back in the day"
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yea this is me...I used to have a HUGE retro collection, all the consoles, tons of games and everything and then one day I was like this is dumb. Sold all the games and some consoles, got flash carts for them. Now they just sit in a room and I never touch them because I have a portal emulation thing that plays upto PS1 games. So now its all on some sd card and I can take them all anywhere. Getting to the point I am starting to think of just selling off all the consoles now. Only ones I still occasionally buy games for are the 2600/7800/5200.
 
without the actual controller-consoler-CRT tv, I am not sure it is 100% the same, I could get why someone would want the original, Zelda 1 was made with the slowdown when too many enemy are there at the same time in mind and so on, I am sure some emulator try to mimic those and you can buy usb nintendo controller, but I can imagine a difference always existing.
 
Even if emulation isn't 100% exactly the same...is that a bad thing? I like being able to use controllers that didn't exist to play older titles. Or to smooth out jaggy angles, boost the resolution, save any time I want, etc. etc. Well, that and to be able to fire up any one of like 1000 games in an instant.
One of my buddies collects old systems and monitors to go with 'em, and the whole thing is more "this is fun to amass for the sake of nostalgia" rather than being practical or better in any way.
 
Yes it is not purely a bad thing, but take the F5 save for an example, it is a double edged sword, lot of game reaching a savable point or not was part of the experience (or having to always start from 0), yes you can easily mimic that by saving in a similar way or not at all, but it existance and having used it can break things in your mind, like having used cheat or some mode in a game)

I would go with the yes you need to love the hardware-collection for it to be worth it, the emulation having got more than good enough to do the tricks, but I can believe someone that something is different in some way in a VM in some game (not the popular game-console combo so well made that speed run from emulator are accepted type, but more obscure) or have the type of mind that even the possibility of saving ruin the experience a bit.
 
sfsuphysics said:
Eh, if emulators didn't exist I might see that as a thing. Personally I'm not caring that I don't have an Atari 2600, an Intellivision, or Colecovision, hell my NES nostalgia often lasts as long as me loading a rom then thinking to myself "Hmmm, I seem to recall it looked better back in the day"
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Never touched Intellivision and Colecovision, but some NES games still hold up. Blaster Master, Castlevania 1, 2, 3, Contra, Ducktales, Zelda 1&2, all the Mega Man's, Metroid, Ninja Gaiden 1,2,3, and that's all the games I can think of. Kinda like Shattered hand too. The problem is that not many people want to admit that most games on consoles are trash. You played them because they were the new hot at the time, but now nobody cares. I think the Switch has the same problem in that while it does have some really nice games, it doesn't bring much more than a handful of them. Like I said Zelda Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom are probably the 2 best reasons to own a Switch but one of these games was also on the Wii. Lots of remakes like Metroid Dread and Metroid Prime but no new Metroid game. Lots of side scrolling Mario games like New Super Mario Bros U, Super Mario Bros Wonder, and Super Mario 3D World, which again two of these games were on the WiiU. Animal Crossing for those that like these type of games. Kirby and the Forgotten land, which is questionable. Luigi's Mansion 3 which didn't get much praise. Of course Pokemon games which Nintendo felt the need to release two versions of the same game each time. Sword+Shield Scarlet+Violet. These games could have easily been made into one single game each series. I think the Switch is mostly about releasing WiiU games that nobody got to play because nobody bought a WiiU.
 
In adjacently related retro Nintendo news
I was reminded that in the 90's Nintendo purchased the rights to the "Super Hornio Brothers" movies to stop their distribution.
Nintendo registered the title as a trademark, which means they are Canon...
 
KazeoHin said:
12GB of shared RAM, a ampere 2050-level GPU that has AI upscaling capability. It won't be native 4K, it will probably output a 4K signal but AI upscale 900-1080p content to 1440p then dumb-scaled to 4K.

This is stuff we've known for years.

It's not powerful at all. About as powerful as a base PS4. Not even a Pro.

But that's okay, look what they were able to do with the Maxwell-level chip in the OG Switch. Anyone who buys Nintendo for the graphics is like someone paying a hooker for her cleaning skills.
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I think you should pay a hooker to clean your house sometime. She may surprise you.
 
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