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[AznAnarchy99]

So when I was building my RV02, I noticed that theres no way to install the hard drive rack with the motherboard installed unless you kinda jam it in?

 

[R3MF]

I like the FT02, but more than the ~£140 currently charged for the FT01 is too much.

I was hoping for £125.

 

[Tony Ou]

Wow, lots of discussion on the price!

Well, the prices announced in Europe yesterday are 180 EUR for non-window version and 189 EUR with window. I would expect our US office to set FT02's MSRP at around USD $220 ~ $230 range.

 

[Kenjiwing]

I've had a few all aluminum cases. Never again... never again will I listen to one of those over priced pieces of trash rattle around in my room. They are usually way to thin. I'll take the strength of steel in all black please.

I can't imagine buying an FT01 after looking at what the FT02 has to offer in air cooling compared to the FT01. So i'll probably still be buying it even if its over $220 =(

My case temp is 27c on my ft01.. I dont think moving to a ft02 is going to make much of a difference.

 

[elStado]

Wow, lots of discussion on the price!

Well, the prices announced in Europe yesterday are 180 EUR for non-window version and 189 EUR with window. I would expect our US office to set FT02's MSRP at around USD $220 ~ $230 range.

Hi Tony.

I joined up just so I could participate in this thread! The FT02 looks like an awesome case, and considering I am not interested in fitting liquid cooling and/or 5870x2 cards (which from what I have read are the only issues with this case) I am very happy with the features, design and aesthetics. It's pretty much my perfect case. I was looking at getting the RV02, but the HDD cage placement, amount of HDD bays and some other features annoyed me, plus the aesthetics of the FT02 are much nicer. I love the all black model with the window.

I see you have quoted rough prices and release dates for Europe and the US, but is there any way you can provide us with some information on when it is due to arrive in Australia and how much it will cost?

I was really hoping it would be less expensive than the FT01, but I read that it is actually going to be slightly more. I am hoping it will not be selling for any more than $250 AUD considering that it is due to be ~$220 USD. If it was any more expensive than $250 I would have to reconsider my choice, as it puts it into competition with arguably better Lian Li cases in the $300-350 price range. If it is too expensive in Australia I think it will put off a lot of people, which would be a shame as it's a fantastic looking kit.

Anyway, I look forward to hearing the details, and I'll pass the info onto some of the guys in the Aussie hardware forums, who will all be keen to hear the news as well.

Keep up the fantastic work!

 

[SylarPowers]

Found the Raven RV02 for $215 Delivered to NJ USA... Tempting.

 

[SylarPowers]

Can't make up my mind between the RV02 and FT02! But I believe the FT02 is currently winning in my mind.

 

[SylarPowers]

We also added a support brace between the expansion slots and the motherboard I/O area (subsquent RAVEN RV02 production will also have this) for more rigidity. The photos I have are about the same as the final production unit.

FT02's delay was partly due to lower than expected yield of the unibody frame and some adjustments made prior to production, these factors have added to the final cost of the chassis. I am afraid it will debut at higher price point than the FT01.

So when will the upgraded support bracket make it to retail channels on the RV02 case?

 

[SylarPowers]

Can you pick up the FT02 by that back "handle' where the wires exit, as it uses the unibody design for strength? I know you can't do that with the RV02 as you might bend the top panel.

 

[SylarPowers]

The FT02 are shipping this week from the factory. At this point, going all aluminum is out of question, it will stay as aluminum frame with steel interior.

I have more photos of FT02B-W (black with side window), but no blue LED 180mm fans inside, sorry!

Sexy Pics Tony, but I have a question about the build technique.

From these pics it looks like the aluminum is simply a "cup" for the steel case inside, I can't spot any sign of screws attaching the steel to the aluminum. Metal is not bent on this scale without thinking of how to capitalize on the inherent unibody strength, so I would love to hear how they are joined.

Sorry about hogging the thread, I just keep thinking of more things to ask! I guess I'm excited.

 

[TeeJay88]

Not to throw this forum off. But has anyone heard of a possible TJ11.

 

[SylarPowers]

Not to throw this forum off. But has anyone heard of a possible TJ11.

I think in a way, the FT02 is the TJ11 for the recession. A less costly flagship to capture more market share. Sure they are going to make an uber TJ11 someday, but the FT02 has all the new ideas and features now, while the high end Temjin series is standing still. The Fortress series has the newer unibody designs, better cable routes, bigger fans (all the rage for silence and air power), CPU cutouts, SSD mounts, hot swap HDs and air filters. While the flagship Temjin series has yet to even aquire air filters! The FT02 is aiming for a different price bracket than the typical Temjin case, so the features will now trickle up instead of trickle down. This is like AMDs sweet spot stratigy. Come out with a nice product at the mid range, then scale up and down. This way there is no marking confusion on the products, the Temjin series can remain elite, nicer, and more expensive, while me and you will buy the sweet spot FT02.

 

[silent-circuit]

Wake me when there's actual retail availability in the US.

 

[ivandurago]

Four major fixes that would make this case worth it price entirely:
1. Seamless blend between case exterior and drive bays. (I would probably pay $15+ per drive bay cover so my entire case matched. Although I love brushed aluminum, I perfer to have a seamless finish across my entire chassis)
2. Sleeve all wires black. (Just sleeve the loose cables in some color, it adds sooo much trashy visual noise.)
3. Replace silver PCI covers with black ones. (Such an inexpensive change, but makes a huge difference in the overall package)
4. Remove plastic parts (i.e. CD/HDD bays - I would rather screw in my drive bays than use plastic. Either use rubber or metal imo)
*4.25 Mount your window on the interior. (Does it cost more to have them internally mounted? Again check this up to my taste for the seamless finish, but this choice just kills me. 100% smooth exterior and then a bulbous window.. why? Take a hint from Lian Li)
*4.5. Your company signature on the front of the case is far to large. (I guess I am just biased to the streamlined/minimalistic aesthetic)

You should release after market products for at least the first and modders can take care of the last three. (Sandblasted silver drive bay covers vs. brushed)
I feel these changes would barely change the cost of manufacturing and would thrust it into the elite circle of enthusiast cases.

Nearly perfect case design, but these minor changes would make it a sure buy in my book. Not the most clairvoyant post, however I am not entirely sober .

Again not the best post - but honestly if you changed 1, 3 and 4.25 I can assure you the will be even more of a hit. Could these minor changes really add hardly any cost to the final product?
Basically is what I am saying is, you have a case that possible tops the quality of Apple design and if you were willing to make a couple minor changes you will have a sure sell (i.e PC-X500 & 800D.)

 

[elStado]

Not to throw this forum off. But has anyone heard of a possible TJ11.

Apparently it is in the works, but as Sylar pointed out in the current economic climate I don't think Silverstone would be too interested in producing and marketing an uber case if there wont be anyone with money to buy it.

Apparently SS Taiwan sent an email to a person in reply to when the TJ11 will be released:

We will probable announce the new TJ series chassis (TJ11) afterward in the January 2010.

However this is subject to change depending on progress and market considerations, especially as they have recently released the RV02 and are in the process of releasing the FT02 after many delays already.

The same guy got an email from SS USA (April 09) in response to the same questions which was quite different:

we are working on a new FT model is a mid tower , and a new Raven full tower case but not on a TJ so far and I don't have any pictures or info on those two new models
RV will be ready in about 3 months , FT I think by the end of the year

I think in a way, the FT02 is the TJ11 for the recession. A less costly flagship to capture more market share. This way the FT02 does not eliminate a premium marking approch for the Temjin series, which will cost more and no doubt be nicer.

Agreed, sounds spot on to me. I think the TJ11 will be very similar to the FT02 with maybe a few extra features, possibly all aluminium design and it will be larger than the FT02 to accommodate larger GPUs and also LCS more easily than the FT01 does.

 

[elStado]

Four major fixes that would make this case worth it price entirely:
1. Seamless blend between case exterior and drive bays.
2. Sleeve all wires black.
3. Replace silver PCI covers with black ones.
4. Remove plastic parts (i.e. CD/HDD bays)

You should release after market products for at least the first and modders can take care of the last three. (Sandblasted silver drive bay covers vs. brushed)

Nearly perfect case design, but these minor changes would make it a sure buy in my book.

Agreed, I was trying to find flaws in the design and these points you raised were the only ones I could think of. The main one that annoys me is point 1, I don't know who thought it was a good idea to have different finishing of the aluminium on the case body and then the drive bay covers... it makes the drive bay covers stand out even more which is something you dont want.

The sleeving etc are pretty minor and can be modded to suite easily. I'll be sleeving the wires with black sleeving, but am not so fussed about the last two points as you cant really see them even with a window.

 

[SylarPowers]

Agreed, I was trying to find flaws in the design and these points you raised were the only ones I could think of. The main one that annoys me is point 1, I don't know who thought it was a good idea to have different finishing of the aluminium on the case body and then the drive bay covers... it makes the drive bay covers stand out even more which is something you dont want.

The sleeving etc are pretty minor and can be modded to suite easily. I'll be sleeving the wires with black sleeving, but am not so fussed about the last two points as you cant really see them even with a window.

An uber user like you can surely fill those bays so no worries there. Add a Tripple 5.25" Bay HD Rack/120mm Fan Intake, a Blu-Ray Burner, a DVD Burner and your out of bays. I'm sure you can find black vented PCI slot covers to slip in. Try Black Vinyle Dye on those cables, I hear it works nice. All you have to do now is live with the 1% plastic!

The vertical design has another benifit which noone really mentioned. Less stress on the PCI socket. Add a Corsair H50 for even less stress on the Mobo. I might get an H50 and have two high quality fans blow out in a push pull. However it's really designed to flip your rear 120mm exhaust to an intake, which wont work here as that's the only exhaust fan in the FT02. This has to free up Mobo air flow vs a TRUE/Megahalems/Mega Shadow.

What does anyone think of using the H50 like this? Should I just get the Mega Shadow instead? Oh and I really need top quality 120mm fan suggestions for my future FT02! Anyone? I might go all 120mm even, if I can find an uber fan I like. Put three 120mm on the bottom, plus that Tripple 5.25" Bay 120mm Intake, add another two 120mm fans for the Corsair H50 or Mega Shadow. Thats six 120mm fans I might buy. They might even glow Red

 

[elStado]

An uber user like you can surely fill those bays so no worries there. Add a Tripple 5.25" Bay HD Rack/120mm Fan Intake, Two Disc Drives. Done and Done. I'm sure you can find black vented PCI slot covers to slip in. Try Black Vinyle Dye on those cables, I hear it works nice. All you have to do now is live with the 1% plastic!

Haha I only use one 5.25" bay for a DVD drive and that's it, but yeah it doesn't bother me that much and I am sure I'll find a way of working around it, as with the other features you mentioned can be worked around/modded to suit.

Coming from an Antec Sonata III, which is about 25% plastic, I think 1% is bearable.

 

[SylarPowers]

Yep, definatly going for the FT02 over the RV02 - but don't hold me to it! I change my mind like I change CPU Coolers. Or is that like I change my socks?

 

[elStado]

Yep, definatly going for the FT02 over the RV02 - but don't hold me to it! I change my mind like I change CPU Coolers. Or is that like I change my socks?

Lol, I'm about the same, except the FT02 has been the first case I have come across in my search that I am really attracted to. I love just about everything about it, even it's nuances! What fun is it to have a case that is 100% perfect? It adds a bit of fun and challenge to it to customise the sleeving and cooling configurations.

 

[Trigeminal]

Four major fixes that would make this case worth it price entirely:
1. Seamless blend between case exterior and drive bays. (I would probably pay $15+ per drive bay cover so my entire case matched. Although I love brushed aluminum, I perfer to have a seamless finish across my entire chassis)
2. Sleeve all wires black. (Just sleeve the loose cables in some color, it adds sooo much trashy visual noise.)
3. Replace silver PCI covers with black ones. (Such an inexpensive change, but makes a huge difference in the overall package)
4. Remove plastic parts (i.e. CD/HDD bays - I would rather screw in my drive bays than use plastic. Either use rubber or metal imo)
*4.25 Mount your window on the interior. (Does it cost more to have them internally mounted? Again check this up to my taste for the seamless finish, but this choice just kills me. 100% smooth exterior and then a bulbous window.. why? Take a hint from Lian Li)
*4.5. Your company signature on the front of the case is far to large. (I guess I am just biased to the streamlined/minimalistic aesthetic)

You should release after market products for at least the first and modders can take care of the last three. (Sandblasted silver drive bay covers vs. brushed)
I feel these changes would barely change the cost of manufacturing and would thrust it into the elite circle of enthusiast cases.

Nearly perfect case design, but these minor changes would make it a sure buy in my book.

Solid post!

#1 is HUGE!!! I can live with podered, but prefer brushed for an even classier look, but I just don't get both podered for the case and brushed for the drive bays. As you say drive bays should be invisible.

#3 is minor, but I wondered the same thing. Little touches that go a long way, hell probably wouldn't add 10 cents to productions costs.

#4.25 is also HUGE!!! The screw mount and outside window takes away from an otherwise extremely smooth case. I will likely be buying it without the window and then modding in a window mysely.

#4.5 is minor, but also problematic. On silver the logo blends in but in black it is just too stark and big. I wouldn't mind if it was the simple old logo from the ft01, but this just seems too big and obtrusive on an otherwise slick, smooth case.

Hell this is still thie best case I have found. For air cooling, I honestly doubt this case can be beat, but the above issues hold it back from being a PERFECT case.

 

[SylarPowers]

I bet the Silverstone logo can be washed away with some minor clemicals, if it's silkscreened say.

And yea... why don't you mount the window in a flush manner? I would likey.

Speaking of side window panels, I want to buy this case and end up with both a window and a regular non-window panel. Just in case I want to cut out a custom window or decide I want no window. Will Silverstone be offering both separate, or do I have to order one and buy the other with a plan?

 

[Tony Ou]

So when I was building my RV02, I noticed that theres no way to install the hard drive rack with the motherboard installed unless you kinda jam it in?

We have a Q&A that explain how you can remove and install the drive cage from the front of the case, maybe this will help you better:

http://www.silverstonetek.com/downloads/QA/RV02_QA_090901.pdf

I see you have quoted rough prices and release dates for Europe and the US, but is there any way you can provide us with some information on when it is due to arrive in Australia and how much it will cost?

FT02 will likely be available in Australia in December or January depending on our distributor's schedule. As for the price in Australia, this will also be determined by our distributor as well. I am sorry that I cannot provide anymore detailed information for you!

 

[elStado]

FT02 will likely be available in Australia in December or January depending on our distributor's schedule. As for the price in Australia, this will also be determined by our distributor as well. I am sorry that I cannot provide anymore detailed information for you!

Thanks for the reply and information. I was wanting to get a new case around January, so that date is fine for me. I just wish we had some solid information/confirmation. There's a lot of people that have been holding out for this case for months now, but they are giving up and buying other cases as they can't wait any longer.

 

[Tony Ou]

Can you pick up the FT02 by that back "handle' where the wires exit, as it uses the unibody design for strength? I know you can't do that with the RV02 as you might bend the top panel.

The handle area can be used to pick up the case no problem, even RV02's handle can be used for the same purpose as we used a stronger grade plastic for that part.

From these pics it looks like the aluminum is simply a "cup" for the steel case inside, I can't spot any sign of screws attaching the steel to the aluminum. Metal is not bent on this scale without thinking of how to capitalize on the inherent unibody strength, so I would love to hear how they are joined.

The screws are on the inside so you won't see them on the aluminum exterior. The aluminum unibody frame is thick enough to make this possible.

 

[Tony Ou]

SylarPowers, I will answer a few of your questions from PM here:

The top brace added to the FT02 is for reinforcement to the I/O and expansion area. We found that a few RV02 owners will pick up the case by holding the opening there as a handle during system assembly, which bends the area there and causing misalignment. We have a Q&A for this at our Q&A page for RV02

http://www.silverstonetek.com/raven/products/r-qa.php?model=RV02&area=usa

The steel used for RV02/FT02 is the same 0.8mm thickness. This is usually the standard thickness for mid to full towers. 1mm steel is mostly used for server cases while lower cost models will tend to use 0.6mm. From my experience, aluminum cases need to be at least around 2mm to feel as strong as 0.8mm thick steel cases.

The tool-less 5.25" drive bay buttons on the RV02/FT02 can be removed if you want, mounting holes for screws are available if you like to use them to secure 5.25" devices or drives.

The 5.25" drive bays for RV02 and FT02 are shallower than normal cases so some of the drive bay adapters may not be suitable. We are planning on releasing the RV02 drive cage for sale separately to those wanting to add hard drive space for their case.

 

[Tony Ou]

Trigeminal, ivandurago, elStado,

Thank you guys very much for the suggestions! We've worked hard to make sure the FT02 is priced low as possible. But I think many are underestimating the cost of these unibody frames on the TJ07/FT01/FT02. They are time consuming to make and requires more labor in fine tuning during production. This maybe the reason why we are still the only case manufacturer to utilize the construction for PC cases.

Regarding the drive bay covers specifically, sand-blasting can potentially cause deformation so it can only be used if the aluminum panel is sufficiently thick enough. Standard drive bay covers are much thinner so we can't do it. The cost would be quite prohibitive if we try to make drive bay covers much thicker to handle it though...

 

[elStado]

Trigeminal, ivandurago, elStado,

Thank you guys very much for the suggestions!

You're welcome! Please be clear that, despite my criticisms, I am still very much smitten by this case and have been recommending it to others and spreading the news on it.

We've worked hard to make sure the FT02 is priced low as possible. But I think many are underestimating the cost of these unibody frames on the TJ07/FT01/FT02. They are time consuming to make and requires more labor in fine tuning during production. This maybe the reason why we are still the only case manufacturer to utilize the construction for PC cases.

Fair call, however considering the debut and current price of the FT01 and the other competing case designs on the market, it would make sense to price it accordingly.

Regarding the drive bay covers specifically, sand-blasting can potentially cause deformation so it can only be used if the aluminum panel is sufficiently thick enough. Standard drive bay covers are much thinner so we can't do it. The cost would be quite prohibitive if we try to make drive bay covers much thicker to handle it though...

That's a fair point, was giving the whole case a brushed finish instead not considered though? I think that it would look just as good as the powdered finish with the added benefit of matching the optical drive bay covers too.

Also, I would like to know why it was decided to have the case window on the outside which disturbs the clean lines? It isn't any hard to have it internally mounted and the internal space lost would be minimal, so it shouldn't have an impact on CPU coolers or anything.

I'd also like to know why the designers decided to use silver PCI covers instead of matching black ones (as ivandurago pointed out)? Surely there would be little difference in price and it would have been a nice touch in regards to overall design and aesthetics. Same thing with the logo, why was it decided to have such a large and prominent logo, on a case that seems geared for the customer that is after a subtle, refined design?

 

[SylarPowers]

One more question for now Tony!

I want to end up with both a solid panel and a windowed one. Will both be offered separate, or will you only offer the windowed one separate? I need to know this so I can plan which version of the FT02 to purchase. I'll have the money for this purchase in about a week and will buy it as soon as it comes out from Sundial Micro or Newegg. Whoever has the best delivered price.

BTW, Sundial Micro is the place to go for side panels and they have a return policy as good as Neweggs.

Oh, and I bet the silver PCI slot cover is just a cost measure. Would be nice to have a special edition that makes every PCI slot cover, screw and wire black, but having the inside black is the hard part. So I'm glad for that, I can fix it up from here like. I'm going for a black and red color scheme, to help celibrate my new XFX 5850. Might even crossfire those puppys, I love the cherry red accent on them. Need a big new monitor to even need crossfire, my 5850 handles my Dell 2209WA just fine without help from a twin.

BTW, I like the MacBook Pro type of finish, so thats a big thumbs up from me. This textured finish seems more durable than a brushed aluminum finish. I don't care about the drive covers personally as I will fill them up.

 

[SylarPowers]

I really like the intergrated foot panel, it's cool. You could take this case snowboarding if you wanted to!

 

[SylarPowers]

I think this SILVERSTONE FM181 fan looks promising. 180mm and ball bearing. I like the fan speed dial too. Might upgrade all my 180mm fans in my FT02 to these.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835220035

This would be an upgrade over the stock Sleeve Fans, right? Ball bearing is better I gather, but I'm not sure.

 

[elStado]

I think this SILVERSTONE FM181 fan looks promising. 180mm and ball bearing. I like the fan speed dial too. Might upgrade all my 180mm fans in my FT02 to these.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835220035

This would be an upgrade over the stock Sleeve Fans, right? Ball bearing is better I gather, but I'm not sure.

Yeah, ball bearing is better. Is this one of the three new 180mm fans Tony mentioned a couple of pages back? (ED: Yes it is)

The FM181 white would look awesome in the Silver windowed case IMO.

What about the new ones with the golf-ball style texturing we saw at Computex 09?

ED2:

Also, I read this thread from page 1 to the latest and I haven't seen any promotional photos of the silver window/non window version? The only pics I have seen are from Computex which are have average lighting and quality. I want to link it to my facebook page.

 

[SylarPowers]

Cable lengths are interesting for the FT02. Easier to wire up inside but harder to wire up outside.

Originally the PSU was designed to be up top above your mobo. Note the proximity of the mobo power ports. PSU cables are far easier to tidy up in this orientation. However it's been popular to put the PSU on the bottom as drawing in fresh air cools far better and isolates the heat from the rest of the pc. Pain in the ass to wire tho, you have to reach over your mobo more. So inverted atx came along to keep the PSU on the bottom and still retain the proximity to the power in ports for better wiring. Then CPUs got hotter, chipsets needed more cooling heatsinks/pipes, so inverted atx now placed all this heat too far from exhaust points up top. Then inverted atx fell off and we were back to stretching or hoping your PSU had longer wires.

So the nice thing about the FT02 is that the PSU is back in the "correct position" while still drawing in fresh air. Wire routes behind the mobo help as well.

The downside is your mouse and keyboard have that much longer to reach your desk. It has to go out that deep case length and back to you. But that's what USB extension cords are for

While I may be wrong, I still think I will get better cooling performance with (abit very expensive) aftermarket fans... They may be good fans in the FT02, but the primary product here is the case, fans that come with cases are trying to fit a certain budget. Balls out aftermarket fans aren't held back by this concern. That said, I read good things on the Silverstone FT01/RV01/RV02/FT02 180mm fans, but I bet even Silverstones own FM181 blows the FT02's fans away. The specs look nicer and it's an upgrade to a 2-ball bearing fan design. The real question is can any top shelf aftermarket 120mm fan (like the awesome Multiframe Noiseblockers) outperform Silverstones FM181 180mm fan, despite the size difference? And would the FM181 or any 120mm fan work well in a flat position facing up?

 

[elStado]

The downside is your mouse and keyboard have that much longer to reach your desk. It has to go out that deep case length and back to you. But that's what USB extension cords are for

That, and also the fact that most performance/enthusiast keyboard and mice cables are pretty long, especially if you have the case up on your desk (why wouldn't you want to?).

I know my Logitech kb and mouse all have about 50cm extra wire each bundled up behind my PC as the cable is so long, so it's no issue for me and actually would help reduce general cable clutter behind the PC.

 

[SylarPowers]

hope your desk is 26" deep!

 

[elStado]

hope your desk is 26" deep!

Well, that's a good point.

At the moment the desk I am using is about ~38" (96.5cm) deep, so plenty of room. It's an L shaped desk, about 50" (127cm) by 50".

HOWEVER, I am actually moving out in a few weeks and the desk isn't mine. So I will have to make sure that when I build or buy a new desk it is long and wide enough to have the FT02 sitting in a accessible and prominent position.

Having said that, with the unibody design, rounded bottom and top facing I/O and USB ports, it could quite easily and conveniently sit on the carpet floor too. But I am not paying $250 for a case that is hidden under my desk!

 

[SylarPowers]

Well, that's a good point.

At the moment the desk I am using is about ~38" (96.5cm) deep, so plenty of room. It's an L shaped desk, about 50" (127cm) by 50".

HOWEVER, I am actually moving out in a few weeks and the desk isn't mine. So I will have to make sure that when I build or buy a new desk it is long and wide enough to have the FT02 sitting in a accessible and prominent position.

Having said that, with the unibody design, rounded bottom and top facing I/O and USB ports, it could quite easily and conveniently sit on the carpet floor too. But I am not paying $250 for a case that is hidden under my desk!

It isn't going to be $250... it will be 249.99!

Might be less? I read $230 USA somewhere on another forum.

 

[haquocdung]

it doesnt look fantastic to me at all.

 

[elStado]

It isn't going to be $250... it will be 249.99!

Might be less? I read $230 USA somewhere on another forum.

I'm from Australia though, so even with the almost 1:1 exchange we'll get our shafting fee where everything is more expensive, so $230 USD will be about $300 AUD at least.

We pay on average 30% more than the US for the same products, even downloadable games and software (especially from Adobe).

it doesnt look fantastic to me at all.

Get out of here.

 

[SylarPowers]

I have to give Silverstone some credit. Out of all the cases I have tried and read about, my current top three are all Silverstones. These are the TJ10, the FT01 and the FT02. I could see myself going with any of these really.

Only a few things knock the TJ10 down a few notches for me. Otherwise it's the perfect case. There is only one 120mm intake for the Mobo (not as modern a number of intakes for the size of the fan) and the design is not positive pressure (perhaps switching those top two fans around?). No air filters (there must be a way to add them aftermarket like!) and side panels due to thier size flex a bit to my touch (a personal con for me). Not usually a fan of front doors, but this one is alright, though I would want to upgrade those door magnets to a stronger magnet myself. I have felt this case first hand and would buy again.

The FT01 looks nice too. been reading up on it. I think it's different enough to still sell along side the FT02. If not for the GPU cooling (not as good on paper IMHO as the TJ10 and FT02), I would be all over it. It holds more HD slots and the FT01's unibody curve might have a better look to it compaired to the FT02. But I have yet to see it in person. Of course the FT02 promises to be better, with all the latest features, so I am not really considering it too much. The FT01 seems a more normal sized PC case, the FT02 and TJ10 are very long PC cases that won't please every desk setup.

The FT02 is cool and different. No feet, that sweet bottom wraps around, the front looks clean and the fan grills are all hidden under the case. No side mid fan duct like in the TJ10 to break up the sleekness. The steel and unibody aluminum should feel solid. I welcome the steel for strength and it should feel the strongest out of all three. Likewise the cooling and wiring should be the best out of all three cases here. Thumbs up on the positive pressure, stack cooling, black interior, SSD mount, no front door and air filters. While I still kinda want to order the TJ10, I really don't want to miss out on these FT02 features and I am hoping the FT02 will feel nicer. I would welcome a TJ11 with all these features for sure.

So Tony, if you could have only one, would the FT02 beat out the TJ10 for you?