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My buddy in Steam informed me about the outage. Guess it's been down for a while. I wonder if the spike at 4 is when school got out.
 
I'm not sure what the first Digital tied console was maybe the first XBOX or PS2.
 
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A couple of friends of mine complained about it being down last night.
 
Comixbooks said:
I'm not sure what the first Digital tied console was maybe the first XBOX or PS2.
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No, they had Internet capabilities but didn't require it for anything but multiplayer. Dreamcast was the first that shipped with a modem and even a web browser, PS2 didn't even ship internet capable, it needed an addon, and Xbox shipped with Ethernet. Even Xbox 360 didn't require Internet to play unless except for some very specific game add-ons that were downloaded.
 
Someone at Sony messed up, and not for what you might immediately think.

3 days ago Sony laid off an “unspecified number” of staff from their California office.

24’ish hours after that the entire Play Station Network mysteriously goes down….

Sounds to me like somebody burnt some bridges on the way out, or somebody took a bit of revenge before quitting.

In either event somebody was left with credentials they shouldn’t have been. So they messed up by not firing somebody with the rest of the lot or they messed up by not killing somebody’s credentials after they were terminated.

In either event my money is on some good old fashioned IT Revenge.
 
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Sony seems to love having this happen every few years, brought back a nostalgia wave of 2011 for me lol

Zarathustra[H] said:
Imagine having a device tied to and dependent upon a network

That must be awful
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Serious question, how would this be any different from steam going down? I'd wager that would affect 95% of all pc gamers in the same way. Sure games are on other platforms but steam is by far the major player and it would have much of the same effect.

If you're already signed in and set to play in offline you're fine for sp games just like the xbox or ps5 so I'm honestly struggling to really see your point?
 
This is why I’ve largely given up on new games and I’m focusing on older systems. There are so many good games that most never played from prior generations, and you can pickup something like a Wii or PS2 for absolutely nothing and have so many good games to play, and they just always work without any bullshit attached nor do you need to worry about investing in games that will inevitably just stop working.
 
As much as I try to keep the PC gaming elitists in check, I’ll freely acknowledge this is one of the big risks with console gaming. Online play is only as good as the services that underpin it.

Not that it never happens in PC land, but you can usually play a game on another service (if it’s even tied to one) if there’s an outage.
 
wizzi01 said:
How did you post this?
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How did you post this? Without thinking, I mean. Or do you believe his PC stops working once offline?

SONY doing good work justifying our pushback against PSN requirement on PC.
 
M76 said:
How did you post this? Without thinking, I mean. Or do you believe his PC stops working once offline?

SONY doing good work justifying our pushback against PSN requirement on PC.
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Red Falcon said:
I see you still install PC games from CD-ROM and DVD-ROM, or operate Steam in offline-mode 99% of the time.
Must be nice living in 2005, I'm actually quite jealous. :D
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I think what he means is PSN failing will affect ALL your Playstation games. Comparing PSN failure to your own ISP failure is apples and oranges. Depending on their library for PC gamers experieincing a cloud failure to something like STEAM you can play other games they may have.
 
Red Falcon said:
I see you still install PC games from CD-ROM and DVD-ROM, or operate Steam in offline-mode 99% of the time.
Must be nice living in 2005, I'm actually quite jealous. :D
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Actually is pretty nice when it comes to gaming. Besides, who actually needs anything beyond GT4 on PS2 anyways. We peaked almost 20 years ago.
 
I remember on PS3 even when not offline the PSN was more a curse than a blessing. Since I only played rarely every time I wanted to there was either a game update or a firmware update, possibly both and by the time it was actually ready to play I didn't even want to anymore.
 
M76 said:
I remember on PS3 even when not offline the PSN was more a curse than a blessing. Since I only played rarely every time I wanted to there was either a game update or a firmware update, possibly both and by the time it was actually ready to play I didn't even want to anymore.
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Don’t get me started with the GT5 download and update times. Takes like 12 hours.

This is why I say we peaked with sixth gen era. Everything since that has been a race to the bottom since developers could release broken product.
 
Mchart said:
Don’t get me started with the GT5 download and update times. Takes like 12 hours.

This is why I say we peaked with sixth gen era. Everything since that has been a race to the bottom since developers could release broken product.
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Enshittification.

It's kind of funny seeing more of today's young gamers talk about wanting to experience "retro" games from the 5th/6th gen console era, only to discover that games that they previously thought of as "old" because those games released during their youth or even before are in fact more fun, more original, less bloated, and less broken than many modern games. Also no microtransaction bullcrap. You got a complete game without the companies trying to milk gamers for optional content at every turn.

I'm not necessarily going back to console gaming, but I have absolutely been going back and playing games that I loved (or missed out on) during that timeframe on my PC. Not only do they look and run better than they did then, it's extremely refreshing to go from clicking "Launch game" in Steam to being in game and playing in under 10-15 seconds. No updates. No shader compilations. No bullshit.
 
Ragenrok said:
Sony seems to love having this happen every few years, brought back a nostalgia wave of 2011 for me lol


Serious question, how would this be any different from steam going down? I'd wager that would affect 95% of all pc gamers in the same way. Sure games are on other platforms but steam is by far the major player and it would have much of the same effect.

If you're already signed in and set to play in offline you're fine for sp games just like the xbox or ps5 so I'm honestly struggling to really see your point?
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your steam games still work without steam network or even without Internet as long as it's already downloaded and installed. can't say the same thing about epic and it's why i'll never but anything else from them. (bought RDR2 when it was epic exclusive)
 
A lot of people learned that Playstation games now depend on PSN to play single player games. It's funny how this came back full circle from when the Xbox One was going to require an always online connection. You couldn't even watch streaming services when PSN was down.


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Lateralus said:
Enshittification.

It's kind of funny seeing more of today's young gamers talk about wanting to experience "retro" games from the 5th/6th gen console era, only to discover that games that they previously thought of as "old" because those games released during their youth or even before are in fact more fun, more original, less bloated, and less broken than many modern games. Also no microtransaction bullcrap. You got a complete game without the companies trying to milk gamers for optional content at every turn.
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There's a reason why old game consoles and their games are super expensive right now. My copy of Earthworm Jim on the Sega CD now costs hundreds. Holding onto old games is like saving for retirement. Wonder what my Sega Saturn now costs?
I'm not necessarily going back to console gaming, but I have absolutely been going back and playing games that I loved (or missed out on) during that timeframe on my PC. Not only do they look and run better than they did then, it's extremely refreshing to go from clicking "Launch game" in Steam to being in game and playing in under 10-15 seconds. No updates. No shader compilations. No bullshit.
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I've been meaning to go back and play some old games. Remember that games don't age or go out of style, except for Shenmue. Games like Shenmue are just tech demos for game consoles. I would never go back to console gaming just because it's more expensive and less convenient. Games like Elden Ring and Baldur's Gate 3 are a great reminder that new games can actually be good. For $500 to $700, I can build a very competent gaming PC. Maybe not as powerful as a PS5 or PS5 Pro, but that's not the reason why people have gaming PC's. With a click of a mouse I can play Doom II through GZDoom, or play it through DOSBOX. I can play Final Fantasy 3/6 on the SNES through RetroArch. I can play Fallout New Vegas on PC. I can play Baldur's Gate 3. All this on a single machine. You're never going to achieve that on a console. Plus, you can't own physical copies of modern games, so there's never going to be this method of collecting games.
 
Mchart said:
This is why I’ve largely given up on new games and I’m focusing on older systems. There are so many good games that most never played from prior generations, and you can pickup something like a Wii or PS2 for absolutely nothing and have so many good games to play, and they just always work without any bullshit attached nor do you need to worry about investing in games that will inevitably just stop working.
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I've been playing through old stuff for some years now, can't say I regret not buying new games.
 
Mode13 said:
I do this crazy thing where I own both PCs and Consoles.

It's insane I know, I understand if I get banned
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Believe or not but people can't afford to buy every machine to play every game. This is why the homogeneous nature of the PC is so great. You own one machine and it does everything. Especially with the price of goods lately, it's not a bad idea to have a machine that rules them all. Everyone needs a computer, so it makes sense to center your gaming around it as well.
 
DukenukemX said:
Believe or not but people can't afford to buy every machine to play every game. This is why the homogeneous nature of the PC is so great. You own one machine and it does everything. Especially with the price of goods lately, it's not a bad idea to have a machine that rules them all. Everyone needs a computer, so it makes sense to center your gaming around it as well.
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I agree with this. I'm just being silly because I enjoy both. Especially now since I can catch up on so many games for practically free, PS4 and Xbox One era stuff is practically free now, I can regularly find games on Facebook locals or eBay that end up working out to much less than steam. For sitting back with a controller games, I really don't care for high end desktops and this month's top full price games any more. I like the charm of the console.

Also, Dev mode on Xbox consoles is great. I have RetroArch running pretty hassle free on mine, can upscale PS2 era games with ease. Tons of really good community ports too, obviously including Doom. Most of my emulation happens like that in the living room too. Weird that the Series X isn't a very popular machine when you consider it can do that without hacking the system, it's almost a nice little PC.

So I've kind of slowly just drifted back towards consoles. PC for when I want to play competitive shooter games and get a huge adrenaline rush I guess.
 
So did this disable all games including single player games?

The wording from Sony about "online services" being down makes it sound that they kept working.
 
uOpt said:
So did this disable all games including single player games?

The wording from Sony about "online services" being down makes it sound that they kept working.
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MVG had a good video describing the various things that were affected. It's worth watching, and not too long.


View: https://youtu.be/5ho2i7Z6oWo?si=8-dsS33QGJuXGcNo

edit: I haven't watched the one DukenukemX posted yet, because I had already watched this one, but either should be good. Both of those guys are straight shooters IMO
 
DukenukemX said:
Everyone needs a computer, so it makes sense to center your gaming around it as well.
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Lots of people only have phones these days. Maybe a computer at work, depending on their job. People like us make up for them though. My wife and kid have one computer each, and I have four. Used to have more for tv computers, but those are dead at the moment, because I stopped caring to record tv over the air.
 
toast0 said:
Lots of people only have phones these days. Maybe a computer at work, depending on their job. People like us make up for them though. My wife and kid have one computer each, and I have four. Used to have more for tv computers, but those are dead at the moment, because I stopped caring to record tv over the air.
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Today, 15% of U.S. adults are “smartphone-only” internet users – meaning they own a smartphone but say they do not subscribe to a home broadband service. You could get away without owning a computer but your life would be harder than it needs to be. Everyone does need a smart phone because the world has made it that way. At the very least, 81% of people own a desktop or laptop computer. Meaning everyone needs a computer, just like everyone needs a smart phone. Everyone doesn't need a $500 game console. PSN going down shows that we aren't really owners of the games we bought, but on PC it's different because you're a game crack away from playing your game when the network inevitably goes down.
 
Shit like this is why I preferentially purchase from GOG, and I wish more services were like them. I'm not going to be the old man shouting at a cloud saying "everything should be physical" because I know that ship has sailed, but I would like that the digital services be good. Steam isn't bad, as others have pointed out so long as the game is installed on your system, you can play it if Steam is down, or if you don't have Internet. However I like GOG's ability to download installers. I keep an archive of my GOG collection on an external drive, so even if they go down or out of business, I can still get at the games.

Strikes a great balance for me, I do like digital distribution because it is much easier to get games, and it allows for stuff that just wouldn't be popular enough to make it to store shelves, as well as older titles that would be gone from shelves. However being able to keep a copy makes me happy so that I can play if there's an issue with their network, or my network (or I'm just on a plane or something). Should be the standard way of doing things IMO.

The live services stuff... well there's not really a way out of that one. If you want a game that relies on online play, there's nothing doing when the online turns to offline.
 
What sucks is that just about every game is geared towards online multiplayer now. This is one reason why I stay away from online games for the most part.
 
Niner said:
What sucks is that just about every game is geared towards online multiplayer now. This is one reason why I stay away from online games for the most part.
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I've actually been pretty satisfied with the amount and quality of single player games recently. While you are right a lot of the big-name games are multi-player, 2024 was pretty robust for good single player games too. I have a stack that I haven't gotten around to playing yet.

Also just as an aside on multi-player/live service I have to say the way No Man's Sky does it is really nice in that not only is it optional, but if something happens and their servers die, you can still play your same save, you just don't see any other players until it starts working again. Their servers have been offline for like 2 days and the game is still playable, it is just a little strange to see the normally bustling zones like the Anomaly completely empty.

It's a nice balance. Obviously truly pure multi-player games can't do that, but it is cool for these ones that are single player focused, but with an online component.
 
Sycraft said:
I've actually been pretty satisfied with the amount and quality of single player games recently.
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There have been more SP games recently so yes I agree. What is a downer is when I see a game and it looks good only for it to be an MMO, they yeah I just sigh and move on..lol
 
Niner said:
There have been more SP games recently so yes I agree. What is a downer is when I see a game and it looks good only for it to be an MMO, they yeah I just sigh and move on..lol
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I'm on again off again with MMOs. I don't hate them, and it can be fun playing with others in a collaborative environment (I don't like competitive games, I get too worked up). However sometimes, now being one of those times, I want some good single player fun.

I have a few I REALLY still need to get to. I still haven't played BG3 or Cyberpunk 2077.
 
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Shit like this is why I preferentially purchase from GOG, and I wish more services were like them. I'm not going to be the old man shouting at a cloud saying "everything should be physical" because I know that ship has sailed, but I would like that the digital services be good. Steam isn't bad, as others have pointed out so long as the game is installed on your system, you can play it if Steam is down, or if you don't have Internet. However I like GOG's ability to download installers. I keep an archive of my GOG collection on an external drive, so even if they go down or out of business, I can still get at the games.

Strikes a great balance for me, I do like digital distribution because it is much easier to get games, and it allows for stuff that just wouldn't be popular enough to make it to store shelves, as well as older titles that would be gone from shelves. However being able to keep a copy makes me happy so that I can play if there's an issue with their network, or my network (or I'm just on a plane or something). Should be the standard way of doing things IMO.

The live services stuff... well there's not really a way out of that one. If you want a game that relies on online play, there's nothing doing when the online turns to offline.
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I agree with most of this - especially the GOG part. I have a really decent library of titles with GOG and a much larger one on Steam. I'm now prioritizing GOG purchases when available there, especially now that the game preservation movement has gained traction. I want offline copies that I can keep on my NAS for the same reason as you; I can install and play them without needing an internet connection or a launcher running in the BG.

The thread where folks were talking about Gabe getting older and his kid(s) possibly not being as passionate about games was kind of a wake-up call. Steam's great now, but anything can happen and the Enshittification seemingly comes for everything. The run we've had with Steam, even with its minor faults, is kind of amazing if you think about it. But it can't last forever, because Gabe won't live forever, and I don't trust whomever follows to have the same standards for us.
 
I played Stanley Parable on PS5 (free PS+ game this month) over the weekend and didn't notice. I really only play single player games and only have one/primary PS5 (MVG's issue playing his games from his secondary PS5 that has to validate all games online) though. Would be nice if gamers rebelled enough to make online requirements for single player games a thing of the past, but I only see it getting worse as we keep gravitating towards Streaming everything. Maybe at that point I'll stick with old games or drop the hobby altogether.
 
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PlayStation Network Network? Is that like an ATM Machine? Or RPG Game?
Niner said:
What sucks is that just about every game is geared towards online multiplayer now. This is one reason why I stay away from online games for the most part.
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No, they're not. There were more than 10,000 games released last year. You think the majority of them were geared toward online multiplayer or live service?
 
Everything need to be a live service and our DRM means you need to be online at all times!

Sony does not.
 
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