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Pci-e?

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merlin87

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whats up with pci express? i have not seen many posts about it. im just wondering it will be worth getting a system with it. or should i just stick to what is already tested and proven. im planning on making a new system soon, but i dont know if i should go with a PCI-e system. what is your take on this?
 
I just bought a 939 AMD cpu and mobo after waiting a couple of months for PCI-E.

Not worth waiting because:
1) There's no decent PCI-E graphics cards available for under $10,000
2) There's no performance benefit of PCI-E over AGP right now, and won't be for some time.
3) When PCI-E comes out for 939 mobo's, AND high end graphics cards are readily available, I'll just pick up a board and plop my parts into it then. But only if software (games) are taking advantage of PCI-E cards. By then, I'll probably get a dual core 90nm cpu anyway.
4) Even then, my Nvidia 6800GT will fit in a PCI-E slot I believe.

So IMHO, from an AMD perspective go with the socket 939 and don't worry about PCI-E.

If you're looking at Intel, the lack of PCI-E graphics cards is an issue. Is there a mobo that has PCI-E and AGP slots for Intel?

I'd guess when PCI-E is available, the supply and demand will make them hard to find for quite some time.
 
EricDawg said:
Not worth waiting because:
1) There's no decent PCI-E graphics cards available for under $10,000
2) There's no performance benefit of PCI-E over AGP right now, and won't be for some time.
3) When PCI-E comes out for 939 mobo's, AND high end graphics cards are readily available, I'll just pick up a board and plop my parts into it then. But only if software (games) are taking advantage of PCI-E cards. By then, I'll probably get a dual core 90nm cpu anyway.
4) Even then, my Nvidia 6800GT will fit in a PCI-E slot I believe.

So IMHO, from an AMD perspective go with the socket 939 and don't worry about PCI-E.

If you're looking at Intel, the lack of PCI-E graphics cards is an issue. Is there a mobo that has PCI-E and AGP slots for Intel?

I'd guess when PCI-E is available, the supply and demand will make them hard to find for quite some time.
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Unfortunately, AGP cards DO NOT fit in PCIe slots. You will have to get a new 6800GT PCIe slot card as well as a new MB.
 
or you could ignore the technology for a couple of years, because the current won't be phased out for a looong time.
 
Karma said:
Unfortunately, AGP cards DO NOT fit in PCIe slots. You will have to get a new 6800GT PCIe slot card as well as a new MB.
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I believe nVidia will sell a bridge from AGP to Pci-E, so that poeple can make the most from SLI setups, without having to buy 2 new cards.
 
What makes you think Nvidia would do that? The whole point would be for people to HAVE to buy new hardware so Nvidia can make more money.
 
I'm also looking to upgrade my motherboard/processor, but if I go Pci-E now I'd have to get a new graphics card. The Pci-E cards don't appear to be any better to the agp cards out right now.

If I upgrade should it Pci-E or agp?
 
well i posted this question because a co-worker claims to be a guru who just spent $4k on a new system. and i thought to myselft, what a waste of money. he claims its the best of the best and he is running some ati car that doesnt use a "translator" chip like the nvidia cards.

i am going to upgrade real soon so ill just ignore the technology :D
 
If you don't need the best graphics card NOW, you can get a PCI-E motherboard, but only Intel. If you CAN wait, you'll wait a long time (3-6 months at least) before any high end PCI-E graphics cards are available. Same wait for AMD motherboards. And 1.5/2 yrs before PCI-E cards exceed AGP 8x in performance. So you wait for no difference in performance and pay A LOT more too. PCI-E has a lot of potential, but it's a ways away from being realized. By then, CPU's, memory and graphics cards will have advanced too so you'll want to upgrade for those too. :confused:

The Nvidia 6800 will work in a PCI-E slot, but it's not "native" PCI-E. But it'll still deliver. By then, you just get a new card anyway.

IMHO, get the good stuff now and enjoy it for 2 yrs. It's not going to be obsolete overnight. I just bought a 939-AMD64 3500+ with an Nvidia 6800GT. I'll enjoy if for a couple of yrs and maybe get a PCI-E motherboard and graphics card in 18 months. But maybe then I get a new dual core 90nm CPU too so who knows? :confused:

I hate not being able to get a new graphics card, but in reality, AGP8x with today's high end cards are just fine for awhile.

If you CAN wait, wait. I couldn't (I'm getting pawned online playing on my Thinkpad and can't play Far Cry, BF Vietnam, DOOM, etc.). So I'm really excited to get a kick butt new system for $2,000 and I'll probably replace it in a couple of yrs.

Just my 2 cents.
:)
 
EricDawg said:
The Nvidia 6800 will work in a PCI-E slot, but it's not "native" PCI-E. But it'll still deliver. By then, you just get a new card anyway.
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If you mean the current, AGP 6800s; no, they will -not- work in a PCI-e slot.
The AGP interface is completely different, and it will not fit. :)

As stated above, you'll have to get a PCI-e video card if you have PCI-e motherboard. The HSI bridge is completely irrelevant... it has nothing to do with the interface between the card and motherboard.

I'll be sticking with AGP for this generation, at least. Right now, there aren't any worthwhile PCI-e cards.
 
Yeah I didn't mean to say the AGP card would work in a PCI-E slot. Thanks for clarifying.
 
merlin87 said:
well i posted this question because a co-worker claims to be a guru who just spent $4k on a new system. and i thought to myselft, what a waste of money. he claims its the best of the best and he is running some ati car that doesnt use a "translator" chip like the nvidia cards.

i am going to upgrade real soon so ill just ignore the technology :D
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The translator chip he is talking about is the fact that on Nvidia cards they use an AGP to PCI-E Bridge. Where as the ATI cards are true native PCI-E
 
whats up with pci express you ask? not much really at this time....and making any decisions now is tough and most would say a waste. save your money unless you have too much cash to blow but be aware that the end product won't kick serious (_x_) ....yet

a person could buy ram and a cpu but the mobo's and gpu's are a toss up still and best to wait unless you want a expensive, non-producing setup : ) ...in due time but I hear ya, I want the new stuff now too!! Cheers!
 
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