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Official Statement Regarding PS3 Hacking

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Sony has released an official statement regarding PS3 hacking, circumvention devices and pirated software:

Unauthorized circumvention devices for the PlayStation 3 system have been recently released by hackers. These devices permit the use of unauthorized or pirated software. Use of such devices or software violates the terms of the “System Software License Agreement for the PlayStation 3 System” and the “Terms of Services and User Agreement” for the PlayStation Network/Qriocity and its Community Code of Conduct provisions. Violation of the System Software Licence Agreement for the PlayStation 3 System invalidates the consumer guarantee for that system. In addition, copying or playing pirated software is a violation of International Copyright Laws. Consumers using circumvention devices or running unauthorized or pirated software will have access to the PlayStation Network and access to Qriocity services through PlayStation 3 system terminated permanently.

To avoid this, consumers must immediately cease use and remove all circumvention devices and delete all unauthorized or pirated software from their PlayStation 3 systems.
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Give it a day.. hackers will release an update to circumvent the check..
 
The actions they're taking against Geohot are pretty lame and BS in my opinion but if they want to say "hack our system and you can't use our network" that seems legit.
 
Yeah, People cant really be too mad.. MS has been doing this for years..

Sony had a good run with security up until a couple months ago, but the mad scramble to push out as many update as possible is really pissing me off.. I dont user my PS3 for much other than netflix and my movie server and now it seems every time I turn on my PS3 there is another update that takes 30 minutes to DL/Install..

They should turn it into a revenue machine.. Any console found hacked should only be able to go online with a paid sub..
 
I think they did this announcement because they've realized that they are HOSED and can do nothing to prevent it. By putting the fear of the ban hammer it my prevent some less technical users to decide not to risk it.
 
sounds like they're gearing up to start banning consoles like microsoft does...
 
Ok, I can understand the "Pirated Software" part.

But the "Unauthorized" part is plain bullshit IMHO. The owner of a PS3 purchased the device, and has full ownership of it. What software is installed is none of Sony's GD business as far as I would think.

I don't own a PS3, and I never will. Sony can kiss my feet.
 
Sony shouldn't have agitated the community by removing Linux capability from the firmware. I believe it was the straw that broke the camel's back and really got the community moitvated to take control of the hardware.

Also, would using this hack to restore Linux functionality and not install pirated games still constitute infringing on the DMCA, even after the ruling on legal jailbreaking?
 
Bohica69 said:
I think they did this announcement because they've realized that they are HOSED and can do nothing to prevent it. By putting the fear of the ban hammer it my prevent some less technical users to decide not to risk it.
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yep
Damge control.
 
I think there should be more of a distinction.

I don't support running pirated software, but I fully and completely support hacking the PS3 for other, non-copyright violating purposes. It is very much like Jailbreaking a phone, which the supreme court has governed is perfectly legal.

Once you buy a piece of hardware, it should be yours to do with as you wish. If you want to hack it to run another OS (after Sony disabled this function) or to add other functionality the device doesn't otherwise have it should be completely within your rights to do so, and no user agreement or license should be allowed to prevent you from doing so, or limit your access to other services (like the playstation network) as a punishment.

Sony has proven to come out on the very wrong side of this issue, and I hope it hurts them a lot. The future is in free and open platforms. Not allowing someone to modify or hack something they themselves own and have paid good money for is just plain wrong.

I'm still seething at Sony for putting a back door into the latest firmware update for the PS3 allowing them to run arbitrary software on your unit.

Die Sony. Just die. I'm tempted to just take a sledge hammer to my PS3 now.
 
When you initially boot the PS3 and use it do you have to accept any terms? I figure if you setup a PSN account they'll make you accept terms but other than that are there any?
 
I still haven't forgiven Sony for what they did to Lik Sang... and stayed true to my boycott from that moment on. PS2 to PS3.. Quite the fall from grace.

Good riddance, Sony... Good riddance.
 
Zarathustra[H];1036857091 said:
Die Sony. Just die. I'm tempted to just take a sledge hammer to my PS3 now.
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Funny thing is, I haven't found a decent PS3 game to play in over a year. Right now mine is a glorified BRP and media streamer. That's going to change when I get my new OPPO BRP in the mail, and an A2TV for my media streamer. As soon as I can afford to, I'm also getting a new TV and it won't be a Sony this time around. I've been buying Bravia/XBR hardware for the last decade... but this has changed the name of the game.
 
Yep, that will show the big, mean, nasty corporation.

Zarathustra[H];1036857091 said:
Die Sony. Just die. I'm tempted to just take a sledge hammer to my PS3 now.
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Atherton213 said:
yep me either... ive almost forgot that the ps3 does play games :p
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I've never played ANY game on my PS3. I bought it back when it was the only decent blu-ray player in town for that very purpose. First 6 months we didn't even have any games for it until the boys started begging us to get some. Now I never get to use my damned livingroom home theater setup cause it's always busy with some stupid game.

Makes me want to crush that thing even more.
 
Zarathustra[H];1036857091 said:
Once you buy a piece of hardware, it should be yours to do with as you wish. If you want to hack it to run another OS (after Sony disabled this function) or to add other functionality the device doesn't otherwise have it should be completely within your rights to do so, and no user agreement or license should be allowed to prevent you from doing so, or limit your access to other services (like the playstation network) as a punishment.
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I agree with the first part, that one should be able to modify and run whatever one wants on the hardware they've purchased. But disagree with the network access "right" part. Sony runs the networking services and since it's a private area (as opposed to public) they can do whatever they want to restrict access or censor content. Not that I use the playstation network enough that I would even care about being banned.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.
 
Zarathustra[H];1036857300 said:
I've never played ANY game on my PS3. I bought it back when it was the only decent blu-ray player in town for that very purpose. First 6 months we didn't even have any games for it until the boys started begging us to get some. Now I never get to use my damned livingroom home theater setup cause it's always busy with some stupid game.

Makes me want to crush that thing even more.
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Unhook it from your HT.

Here you go boys, a 19 inch Zenith, just for you. :p
 
They say that it effectively breaches two contracts, yet previous cases have set precidents where online contracts do not hold up in court as no actual signature was made, hence no proof that x person agrreed to y contract. What if you sold it to another person and they were never prompted for the contract, and at that point continued to hack it? As such Sony has no legal grounds or precident I have seen which gives them a leg to stand on.
 
canna said:
Unhook it from your HT.

Here you go boys, a 19 inch Zenith, just for you. :p
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I may still have my RCA 13" color TV I used when I was a bachelor somewhere :p

I'm going to need to get a RF modulator for it though :p
 
Where's the option to permanently uninstall your ps3 system software, Sony?

I really could care less about psn or my warranty, I just want bare metal Linux with rsx access.
 
techrat said:
I still haven't forgiven Sony for what they did to Lik Sang... and stayed true to my boycott from that moment on.
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I haven't forgiven them for the CD rootkit fiasco, and have also continued a boycott.
 
Zarathustra[H];1036857091 said:
It is very much like Jailbreaking a phone, which the supreme court has governed is perfectly legal.
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No it is NOT! A PS3 is NOT a phone and will never be. The Library of Congress, with the powers granted to them by the DMCA has clearly defined what constitutes as legal jailbreaking exception to the DMCA, and since a PS3 is not a phone, it does not fall under the protection of that exemption. IANAL, but it doesn't really take one to understand that. People need to quit using that excuse. If they really want that type of protection, then they need to band together with a compelling argument for the Library of Congress to consider it. :mad:


Kritter said:
I just want bare metal Linux with rsx access.
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Then someone will have to basically write a "cleanroom" BIOS for it then (similar to what was done for the original Xbox), and do some rewriting for Linux to get access to the RSX.
 
benjdm said:
I haven't forgiven them for the CD rootkit fiasco, and have also continued a boycott.
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"Circumvention devices damage our industry and can potentially injure the online experience for you, our loyal PC customers, via hacks and cheats."
Rootkit also come to mind .
 
If I were in government I would sponsor a bill to create a law that would provent hardware companies from exhibiting any control what so ever over the hardware they manufacture after they sell it.

They would not be allowed to prohibit modifications, they would not be allowed to prohibit resale, or trading or any import or export activities by third parties.

Any activities to attempt to dissuade third parties from modifying their hardware, or reselling their hardware in different markets (loss of service as a result of mods, region coded hardware, etc.) would also be strictly illegal.

Exceptions:
- Hardware manufacturers would be allowed to deny warranty claims for modified hardware, but not for modified software, unless it could be explicitly demonstrated that the particular software modification had the ability to harm the hardware.
- Rules would not prevent companies from taking action against modifications for which the sole purpose is piracy. If any other legal use existed for the modification, no action would be allowed to prevent the mod. Illegal piracy would have to be pursued on an end user case by case basis.
- Rules would not limit game manufacturers from implementing anti-cheat actions in games.

I'm not saying that these are the rules now, but I'm saying that they should be.

Except for the exceptions above, a hardware manufacturer would not be permitted from controlling hardware post sale.

Abandoning the hardware sale model in favor of a hardware rental model in order to circumvent these rules would also be illegal.

In other words, as an end user, it's yours. You can do whatever you want with it, as long as it does not violate any other laws, and no one is allowed to stop you or penalize you for doing it.
 
EvilWays said:
No it is NOT! A PS3 is NOT a phone and will never be. The Library of Congress, with the powers granted to them by the DMCA has clearly defined what constitutes as legal jailbreaking exception to the DMCA, and since a PS3 is not a phone, it does not fall under the protection of that exemption. IANAL, but it doesn't really take one to understand that. People need to quit using that excuse. If they really want that type of protection, then they need to band together with a compelling argument for the Library of Congress to consider it. :mad:
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Good god man, calm down, it's not an excuse. Everyone knows the exemption in the DMCA is specific to phones, but like the guys said, this is really similar and should be added (just like for almost any other software/hardware pairings). You have a hardware. You have a software. Guy uses hack to add functionality to said hardware/software packaging.

What was so special about it being a phone? It can make phonecalls (voice chat!) and is highly portable (well, that's harder for a PS3). Otherwise, how was it so special? Why was it given this treatment yet other hardware/software pairings are ravenously rejected by people like you? I honestly want to know why.
 
Sony said:
Unauthorized circumvention devices for the PlayStation 3 system have been recently released by hackers. These devices permit the use of unauthorized or pirated software.
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Who the hell wants to pirate PS3 games? They just wanna run it as a HTPC with emulators. Nobody wants it to play games.

Violation of the System Software Licence Agreement for the PlayStation 3 System invalidates the consumer guarantee for that system.
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You mean the 1 year useless warranty? The good thing about offering shitty warranty, is that there's nothing stopping you from doing stuff, like jail-breaking it.

Consumers using circumvention devices or running unauthorized or pirated software will have access to the PlayStation Network and access to Qriocity services through PlayStation 3 system terminated permanently.
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Gotta love this one, cause Microsoft pulls the same crap. Let me repeat, nobody cares about online games on a console. They are full of foul mouthed, ill tempered, high pitched voice, and demoralizing kids. Sony would be doing people a favor. On the 360, they started including keys that are needed to play games online, to prevent people from buying used or pirating. Didn't work.

Bullshit doesn't work, and nobody cares.
 
ShinseiTom said:
Good god man, calm down, it's not an excuse. Everyone knows the exemption in the DMCA is specific to phones, but like the guys said, this is really similar and should be added (just like for almost any other software/hardware pairings). You have a hardware. You have a software. Guy uses hack to add functionality to said hardware/software packaging.

What was so special about it being a phone? It can make phonecalls (voice chat!) and is highly portable (well, that's harder for a PS3). Otherwise, how was it so special? Why was it given this treatment yet other hardware/software pairings are ravenously rejected by people like you? I honestly want to know why.
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I would also like to know why.
 
Yet another reason the PC trumps the console. You can't get locked out of the internet for installing Linux. ;)
 
If you mod your 360 to play pirated games and are dumb enough to try and take it on XBL that console will be banned. This is nothing new amd has been going on for years. Why are people so mad when more or less Sony is saying the same thing?
 
Ashbringer said:
Gotta love this one, cause Microsoft pulls the same crap. Let me repeat, nobody cares about online games on a console. They are full of foul mouthed, ill tempered, high pitched voice, and demoralizing kids. Sony would be doing people a favor. On the 360, they started including keys that are needed to play games online, to prevent people from buying used or pirating. Didn't work.

Bullshit doesn't work, and nobody cares.
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Uh,... those foul mouthed kids do... Not that I care about them or anything. I think more people care about console online gaming than you think.
 
Ashbringer said:
I would also like to know why.
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Because unlike phones, Sony's entire business model revolves around the sale of software. I know of no one that cares about hacking phones, it hurts no one. In this case however there are damages. Damages to the software developers, sony employees, users on PSN, etc.

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Again, time and time again, the ONLY people who are crying are pirates. Like I mentioned before;

  • Normal User who does not modify at all
  • User who hacks for iso's of videogames downloaded off the net (pirate)
  • User who hacks for Emulators with games downloaded off the net (pirate)
  • User who hacks for a Media Center interface who then downloads movies and TV shows off the net (pirate)
  • User who hacks for a Media Center interface/Emulators who actually own the original IP's and do not download off the net unless it is actually a custom game made from someones garage (homebrew)

The people who hack their system for the last item on that list are a fraction of the people who hack their system in total.

I'm not here to accuse people, or praise Sony. I just live in the real world and know how it works. I know why Sony does what they do and I definitely know why the VAST majority of people truthfully hack their system. This is not the phone market here where profits are made with initial purchases and 2 year contracts. This is also not the PC market where hundreds of different companies have a role in even one PC these days. It's not the video card market where profits are made with the initial sale for those of you who say "ZOMG you think I shouldn't overclock?".

It's sort of like saying Steam get's hacked in order to modify the way it works somehow for the benefit of 10 people out of a few million, but on the side everyone on the planet could download any game they want from Steam free of charge. Valve would certainly address the issue by any means they needed too. They directly attacked their business model.
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next-Jin said:
Because unlike phones, Sony's entire business model revolves around the sale of software. I know of no one that cares about hacking phones, it hurts no one. In this case however there are damages. Damages to the software developers, sony employees, users on PSN, etc.

From another thread:
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Don't lump downloading TV shows as a "pirate". Granted, it's a grey area at the moment, but it's NOT illegal.
 
djoye said:
When you initially boot the PS3 and use it do you have to accept any terms? I figure if you setup a PSN account they'll make you accept terms but other than that are there any?
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Ford can't sell me a car, then tell me by voice or on the Nav system that I'm not allowed to drive the car after I've bought it.

This whole shrink-wrap EULA BS needs a trip to the Supreme Court.
 
Ruoh said:
Don't lump downloading TV shows as a "pirate". Granted, it's a grey area at the moment, but it's NOT illegal.
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Piracy is a number of things not just being illegal. Downloading something you did not pay for is piracy in every sense of the word. If I go to the pirate bay or whatever and download entire seasons of House then that is piracy.
 
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