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Isn't this a horrible score?

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lordroy

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I mean really, I have 3 boxes running 24/7, and while I never really compared what I am doing vs what others were before, I see some people putting up like 1m ppd, and I am putting up 177? This seems unacceptable.

The boxes are a AMD 939 2.4ghz, AMD socket 7 2.0ghz, and a Pentium 4 2.0ghz laptop (all 3 single core, 1gb ram, etc). I feel as if they should be putting out more points per day than 177.

Am I doing something wrong?
 
You should be getting a little more PPD than that. Looking at your EOC stats page, some of your credited WU values are very low. This tells me that they might be failed units and you are only getting partial credit for them as a result (credit for actual work completed). Take a close look at your fahlog.txt files on each machine to make sure all WUs are finishing to 100%.
 
I agree with Tobit, you should be getting a bit more PPD than you are. With that said you'd be better off just turning those machines off since your burning electricity for very little return.
 
It seems like I am a waste of space then. Machines being shut down. Long live [H]orde. Sorry I could not help more.
 
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You're not a waste of space. Don't take it the wrong way. The science is good, but you won't get much PPD out of those machines is all I'm saying. It's up to you to determine if the return is worth the amount of electricity you are using.
 
DooKey said:
You're not a waste of space. Don't take it the wrong way. The science is good, but you won't get much PPD out of those machines is all I'm saying. It's up to you to determine if the return is worth the amount of electricity you are using.
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This ^^^^^^^^^^^

The issue with uni-processor clients is that they don't make bonus points, so it looks like their PPD is horrid compared to SMP and BigAdv etc....

This is not commensurate with your contribution, or even the value of the science.

If you are ok with your power bill, no reason to stop. Nobody cares what your PPD is, and all folders are super valuable to the project., and since you've been folding for over 6 years, no one wants ya to stop.;)
 
Yep, I've been folding for a good 5+ years now, and have only recently (like this month) found out what PPD is. I've been running uni-cpu clients forever. It's all about whether you want to help the bigger cause (helping the team is good, but it's all about the end results).
 
10e said:
If you are ok with your power bill, no reason to stop.
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The problem is, he should be doing slightly more PPD with those rigs. At least 400 to 500 more PPD. I used to run a single P4 that did 400 PpD alone.

As I said before, looking at his EOC stats, most of his WUs are failing. He really needs to look at his fahlog.txt file on each machine to see what is going on. He is only getting partial credit for most of his work as a result.

Edit: For example, look at his 6am update.. 52 points for 2 WUs returned. Nothing is scored that low.

I don't want to see him leave either but something is wrong with his boxen.
 
I think I might know what is going on. He is likely getting a lot of ProtoMol work units which some have problems with on with older AMD processors.

lordroy, if you are still reading and want help troubleshooting this I'd be more than glad to help as there are a few different things we can try to minimize the amount of ProtoMol units being assigned to you. However, we first need to look at your log files to make sure that is what is going on.

But, again, those machines are getting quite old and I can't get you a significant boost of PpD. You'd still likely be under 1K PpD in the end. However, it is great for science. There are alot of uniprocessor work out there that needs to be done if you are willing to donate the electricity to do so. I have lots of respect for those willing to donate a couple cores to uniprocessor work as many point mongers are unwilling to do so.
 
So are these incomplete units then? Checking the Psummary page I can't find projects that small.

EDIT: ninja'd :)


Tobit said:
The problem is, he should be doing slightly more PPD with those rigs. At least 400 to 500 more PPD. I used to run a single P4 that did 400 PpD alone.

As I said before, looking at his EOC stats, most of his WUs are failing. He really needs to look at his fahlog.txt file on each machine to see what is going on. He is only getting partial credit for most of his work as a result.

Edit: For example, look at his 6am update.. 52 points for 2 WUs returned. Nothing is scored that low.

I don't want to see him leave either but something is wrong with his boxen.
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10e said:
So are these incomplete units then? Checking the Psummary page I can't find projects that small.
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Yup, many of his projects are failing and he's only getting partial credit resulting in much lower overall PpD.
 
When did you last update your Folding@home client software?
 
Tobit said:
I think I might know what is going on. He is likely getting a lot of ProtoMol work units which some have problems with on with older AMD processors.

lordroy, if you are still reading and want help troubleshooting this I'd be more than glad to help as there are a few different things we can try to minimize the amount of ProtoMol units being assigned to you. However, we first need to look at your log files to make sure that is what is going on.
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I have already taken down 2 machines and uninstalled the software, deleted everything. Still have my torrent box folding, because, I really wasn't in a rush.
I dont really feel like it is worth my time, money, and effort at this point.
There is nothing worse than feeling like you are a drop in the ocean.
Uni-processor or not, the machines should be able to do WAY more than what is being projected. AMD Procs work fine for everything, and the Intel Laptop is old, but still relevant. Most of the points I have are from back in the day, I had 30+ machines (AMD Socket 7 1700+ Athlons) running @ schools. I am glad to have contributed what I could then... but not now.


SazanEyes said:
When did you last update your Folding@home client software?
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It is the most recent software downloaded less than 1 week ago.
 
Truly sorry you feel this way.. thanks much for all your previous contributions.
 
I apologize for the semi-hijack, but I was somewhat curious about this same topic.

I'm not sure if it's something about how I have the clients configured or what, but things aren't running quite the way I had figured. For instance, I have two boxes running here:

A Phenom X4 @ 2.4GHz w/ 4GB DDR2-800 running the SMP client plus the GPU client on the ATI HD3450/PCIe x16 - Win7x64

An Athlon64 X2 4400+ @ 2.2GHz w/ 2GB DDR-400 running uni-processor client plus the GPU client on the ATI HD4670/AGP - WinXP 32bit

The first client does a decent job enough, but I'm curious if I've gone and fouled something up since it takes anywhere between 10 and 30 minutes to complete 5000 steps while I leave the box alone.

I suppose what I'm trying to ask is if I might have mucked things up by running the two clients together... the GPU client managed to miss its last deadline and seems to just absolutely crawl (running pretty much uninterrupted, took about an hour to complete 1%, which puts it at ~100hrs to finish the entire process, which means it would miss every deadline on a 3-day schedule). So then the question becomes whether I should even bother with the GPU client if it won't finish in time ever and just run the CPU client (which seems odd).

In any case, thanks for reading through that and I suppose if anything comes to mind, feel free to let me know.

Sincerely,

Ad
 
Adelante said:
I apologize for the semi-hijack, but I was somewhat curious about this same topic.

I'm not sure if it's something about how I have the clients configured or what, but things aren't running quite the way I had figured. For instance, I have two boxes running here:

A Phenom X4 @ 2.4GHz w/ 4GB DDR2-800 running the SMP client plus the GPU client on the ATI HD3450/PCIe x16 - Win7x64

An Athlon64 X2 4400+ @ 2.2GHz w/ 2GB DDR-400 running uni-processor client plus the GPU client on the ATI HD4670/AGP - WinXP 32bit

The first client does a decent job enough, but I'm curious if I've gone and fouled something up since it takes anywhere between 10 and 30 minutes to complete 5000 steps while I leave the box alone.

I suppose what I'm trying to ask is if I might have mucked things up by running the two clients together... the GPU client managed to miss its last deadline and seems to just absolutely crawl (running pretty much uninterrupted, took about an hour to complete 1%, which puts it at ~100hrs to finish the entire process, which means it would miss every deadline on a 3-day schedule). So then the question becomes whether I should even bother with the GPU client if it won't finish in time ever and just run the CPU client (which seems odd).

In any case, thanks for reading through that and I suppose if anything comes to mind, feel free to let me know.

Sincerely,

Ad
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Stop folding on the AMD GPU's they are sucking down your ppd. The client is not working well with AMD GPU's currently.
 
DooKey said:
I agree with Tobit, you should be getting a bit more PPD than you are. With that said you'd be better off just turning those machines off since your burning electricity for very little return.
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How about we not suggest people turn off clients unless they are worried about their power bill

 
lordroy said:
I have already taken down 2 machines and uninstalled the software, deleted everything. Still have my torrent box folding, because, I really wasn't in a rush.
I dont really feel like it is worth my time, money, and effort at this point.
There is nothing worse than feeling like you are a drop in the ocean.
Uni-processor or not, the machines should be able to do WAY more than what is being projected. AMD Procs work fine for everything, and the Intel Laptop is old, but still relevant. Most of the points I have are from back in the day, I had 30+ machines (AMD Socket 7 1700+ Athlons) running @ schools. I am glad to have contributed what I could then... but not now.




It is the most recent software downloaded less than 1 week ago.
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I know AMD CPU's work fine, but AMD is always a bit behind with things. Intel puts out a new instruction set then it takes AMD a bit to copy it, That is probably why you are failing some WU's due to not having the instructions to complete them (ie SSE2, SSE3 etc). Personally I applaud you for all the work you have done and all your contributions to the team. I am also sorry to see you leave.
 
Doozer said:
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How about we not suggest people turn off clients unless they are worried about their power bill

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While I'd normally agree.. He would be better off saving the $ from the power hes not using on those boxes and in a few months just build a newer rig on an i7 that can fold well.........

and he'd have a new rig!
 
lordroy said:
I dont really feel like it is worth my time, money, and effort at this point.
There is nothing worse than feeling like you are a drop in the ocean.
Uni-processor or not, the machines should be able to do WAY more than what is being projected. AMD Procs work fine for everything, and the Intel Laptop is old, but still relevant. Most of the points I have are from back in the day, I had 30+ machines (AMD Socket 7 1700+ Athlons) running @ schools. I am glad to have contributed what I could then... but not now.
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Hi, :)

I believe I remember you from the team's heyday and to a large extent I understand your frustration. I have fairly recent servers that are also not well represented performance-wise by the clients PG has issued this summer. Only a couple of month's ago, they were far more productive until the advent of the Win A3 SMP client. Something changed big time and relegated my 8-core machines to second-class status.

Anyway, there's not much I and others can do about the discrepancy except voice our displeasure (FWIW) and hunker down. A lot more can be said on this matter and many people here have seen my rants about different system architectures, but will not belabor a point that I have done upon postmortem equines of late, so will spare everyone further pother.

I completely agree with you that the uni-processor client is long overdo for a major overhaul; it produces a pittance compared to every other client out there and is underrepresented in accordance with the science TPB claim it achieves. :(

If you do not wish to contribute what hardware you have currently available it's no problem, most of us here will understand. You can always deploy whatever you might have accessible in the future. We've been there at one point or another on our own personal journeys. [H] is and will always be a road - not a destination.. :)
 
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he needs that x4 965 and 9800gt in his sig folding
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Parja said:
No kiddin'. That's the rig to Fold on. Should be good for at least 8000PPD.
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If entire 2ghz+ boxes dedicated to folding wont do, then neither will my main rig, which, someone will probably say is also not good enough and should be shut down.

I was glad to help, but, I guess I just dont have the dedication to put my main rig into this environment. Of course it is an AMD rig, and since I only BUY AMD CPUs (the Intel laptop I have was a gift years ago)... it will be looked down upon anyway and not be relevant.

I hope everyone folds with their Intel boxes til the folding is done, and everything is cured, and then we can get on to finding a way off this forsaken rock.
 
lordroy said:
If entire 2ghz+ boxes dedicated to folding wont do, then neither will my main rig, which, someone will probably say is also not good enough and should be shut down.

I was glad to help, but, I guess I just dont have the dedication to put my main rig into this environment. Of course it is an AMD rig, and since I only BUY AMD CPUs (the Intel laptop I have was a gift years ago)... it will be looked down upon anyway and not be relevant.

I hope everyone folds with their Intel boxes til the folding is done, and everything is cured, and then we can get on to finding a way off this forsaken rock.
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I fold with my AMD Athlon II X4 635?? It isn't a core i7, but it is what I have. The Core i7 is a complete redesign of the core2 design something that AMD is in the works of doing currently with Bulldozer. This is why the Core i7 is so popular in folding as AMD does not have anything current that can keep up with it. The current AMD generation of chips are the same core as the original Athlon 64's 10 years ago. Just new instructions added to help keep up.

I have no problems with AMD and I highly doubt anyone here does either because it is the Intel vs AMD that keeps processor pricing in check. Just hard to keep the Core i7's in check when you don't have a product on that level.

I am sorry that speed isn't everything anymore I had a Pentium 4 3.2GHz that I thought was the be all end all until I got my Pentium E2140 that could run circles around it at half the clock speed and consume 1/4 the energy. Whether we all like it or not everything is moving to multicore. Unless you are doing mundane tasks like checking email or browsing a website.

I am sorry you feel that we don't appreciate your contributions, but I do. Someone has to do the non -smp work, because who knows that non -smp work may have more impact than all the -smp work combined. I plan on setting up some non -smp work on my old Pentium D (I have problems decommissioning working hardware) that is currently running a GPU client. I just remember it isn't all about points, but about what comes from the work that we turn in.

Best of luck to you in future endeavors. BTW I buy AMD too. :cool:
 
lordroy, you are taking this all way too personally... I was more than willing to help you figure out why your WU's were failing but you obviously wanted no part of it. You weren't getting many points because your WUs were failing and not making it to 100% and the only way to fix it was to sit down and look at your log files to see what was going on. No one was attacking you for using AMD.
 
lordroy said:
If entire 2ghz+ boxes dedicated to folding wont do, then neither will my main rig, which, someone will probably say is also not good enough and should be shut down.

I was glad to help, but, I guess I just dont have the dedication to put my main rig into this environment. Of course it is an AMD rig, and since I only BUY AMD CPUs (the Intel laptop I have was a gift years ago)... it will be looked down upon anyway and not be relevant.

I hope everyone folds with their Intel boxes til the folding is done, and everything is cured, and then we can get on to finding a way off this forsaken rock.
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.....there are plenty of AMD folders.....the three machines you listed earlier are pretty old (newest is 2 generations old.....), so of course they wont fold well on modern work units, however that 965 is goign to fold well compared to those, and will do more PPD than you think.......just an idea to throw that 965 into the mix, since it actually will produce points.....and by no means is AMD looked down upon, they have the lesser design now, but are still relevant.....hell all PC's in my house are AMD other than my tablet....so i would hope this part of [H]ardfoums wont look down on me......
 
lordroy said:
If entire 2ghz+ boxes dedicated to folding wont do, then neither will my main rig, which, someone will probably say is also not good enough and should be shut down.

I was glad to help, but, I guess I just dont have the dedication to put my main rig into this environment. Of course it is an AMD rig, and since I only BUY AMD CPUs (the Intel laptop I have was a gift years ago)... it will be looked down upon anyway and not be relevant.

I hope everyone folds with their Intel boxes til the folding is done, and everything is cured, and then we can get on to finding a way off this forsaken rock.
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WTF are you going on about? Are you serious?

Your Phenom II will Fold pretty similarly to a Core2Quad at the same clock speed. Nothing wrong with that at all.

What exactly do you expect to get out of old ass single core CPUs?
 
Doozer said:
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How about we not suggest people turn off clients unless they are worried about their power bill

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Normally i would agree but in this case its the right advice. Original phenom chips were not that good at F@H due to low clock speeds and the chip design, Phenom II improved that greatly. 3xxx Ati cards are the lower end of ATI folding hardware and are further crippled by the lack of a decent ATI core. IMO Ad is better to shut down his ATI GPU's and let the quad run SMP - should be good for 5k per day
 
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lordroy said:
If entire 2ghz+ boxes dedicated to folding wont do, then neither will my main rig, which, someone will probably say is also not good enough and should be shut down.

I was glad to help, but, I guess I just dont have the dedication to put my main rig into this environment. Of course it is an AMD rig, and since I only BUY AMD CPUs (the Intel laptop I have was a gift years ago)... it will be looked down upon anyway and not be relevant.

I hope everyone folds with their Intel boxes til the folding is done, and everything is cured, and then we can get on to finding a way off this forsaken rock.
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My folding rig is designed around an AMD chip, so don't knock em. They may not be the best around but they still do lots of valuable work - hell Atlasfolder's whole 500k PPD farm runs on AMD CPU's:cool:

Regarding your original post - there is a known problem with the protomol units and older AMD hardware but it shouldn't affect your s939 rig, logs would have helped troubleshoot but i do understand your reasons for shutting down, hopefully you will swing by at some point in the future and fold once more:cool:
 
lordroy, if it's an conciliation.. I just borged a 3 GHz P4 with the classic client and it's only doing 122 PpD on a WU only valued at 59 total credits. It' not you, it's not your AMD CPUs. However, something was wrong with your clients as you should have been doing a little bit more.

Like Nathan, I understand your reasons for shutting down but I think you shutdown way too prematurely as we could have fixed the problems. Thanks, again, for your prior contributions. All the best.
 
You can vastly improve your score and science if you have a PCIE slot in eithor the 754 or 939 boards.
Does the 939 board have a PCI-e slot?

a sinple 9600gt can yeild 4k ppd out of the gpu client alone.
 
Well my AMD II X2 245 and GTS 250 together get me 7000 ppd, and I just made top 100K folders.

So I am VERY happy with my progress. Hopefully we can find the cures fast enough that I dont have to fold for as long as lordroy has.
 
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