Irishllama
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Im talking about, Hooking to comp and surfing the net at a slow ass speed, but still slow at that, im going to be in a cabin in colorado, with No internet, I WILL DIE!
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Finally, a headless iMac!
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Irishllama
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sata uplink, how much is this going to run me? Looks like im going to have to sell alot of my apple rap cd's...
i meant to post this yesterday when i got it, but here it is:
This is a page from the british mac magazine iCreate. i bought it at borders last night because of this page. hopefully this will have somewhat of an influence on apples future release if it happens.
This is a page from the british mac magazine iCreate. i bought it at borders last night because of this page. hopefully this will have somewhat of an influence on apples future release if it happens.
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that looks pretty cool.... but not worth my money. ill buy a powermac instead.
i also really like the iHome. i cant wait for MacWorld to finish so i can see pics and watch the show!!
i also really like the iHome. i cant wait for MacWorld to finish so i can see pics and watch the show!!
Okay, I've read the entire thread, all the rumor sites and most of the speculation...
Personally, I have no problem with the idea of a G4 xMac. It would be a machine that retains users of older Macs, attracts new users to the, platform and as a result, encourages developers to stick with the platform. Great concept, the problem is that the rumors don't wash. Why, you might ask? There are no rumors coming out of East Asia regarding Apple sourcing new LCD monitors.
If Apple was intent on introducing an inexpensive, headless unit, Apple must start selling cheap LCD monitors again. Apple does not sell either a 15 or a 17 standalone monitor. Apple does not sell a non-digital monitor. Apple has stated clearly that they don't want to be a cheap monitor vendor. The smallest monitor Apple sells is a 20-inch unit for $1000. The 20-inch is a pro size monitor for a pro budget. Only a very small number of xMac users could afford to spend double what their computer costs for a monitor that may not fit smaller desk spaces.
Apple will not allow a mac computer system to ship without an apple monitor option being available. It would make absolutely no sense to team a small form factor system with a monitor that is much larger and more expensive than the system itself. Apple will not seriously ship a consumer Mac system without an Apple branded monitor. Monitor manufactures are usually the first to squeal about Apple sourcing a product. Without a matching rumor regarding cheaper, smaller monitors, this rumor of a cheap, headless Macintosh utterly lacks credibility.
So, what is this xMac? The xMac is likely not an xMac, but an iHome; an iPod for the home, sorry. It is a way for iPod users to download videos, use iLife and make DVD's using Apple's new movie download services courtesy of the MPAA, home broadband, H.264 and Core Video.
Why wouldn't Apple produce a cheap, headless machine? Steve Jobs and Apple are insistent that Apple doesn't build inexpensive commodity systems, and it is not because they don't like us poor geeks. Firstly, Apple entire business model is based on making decent profits with high margins. In the consumer space, there is much more profit and much, much higher margins with an iHome than an xMac.
Secondly, Steve Jobs is a true believer in the AIO concept. The irony for Steve is he is right about All-In-One being supeiror, though it took 20 years for the technology to catch up with his vision. Since the original Mac, the AIO was a product worth less than the sum of its parts. AIO computers were far less serviceable, bulkier, less-upgradeable, more expensive and less powerful than their traditional desktop counterparts. The G5 iMac form-factor is, in many ways, a better alternative to the traditional desktop. It is reasonably priced, compact, elegant, power-efficient, quiet, fits into an office and almost completely user serviceable. In most respects, the G5 iMac AIO form-factor is a better system for corporate and consumer use. Finally, the G5 iMac is very marketable and well liked by non-mac users. Maybe it is that iPod halo I hear so much about. I don't know. The only thing keeping it from being an absolutely perfect system is an expansion slot and upgradeable video.
There is still the niggling problem of the mid-range and low-end, which is currently defined as $599-$999 and $298-$598. The eMac is Apple's desktop mid-range, the eMac is also a low-powered, aging machine who's form factor and bulk are only well suited to a limited audience, mainly education. Apple needs a more compelling solution in this space without sacrificing their business model on commodity, headless boxes. There is a strong demand for a cheaper version of the G5 iMac. There are two problems with a cut-rate G5 iMac. Slashing the price on the G5 will absolutely kill Apple's margins. It is also a very good idea to keep Freescale as a source of discrete PPC processors.
It is a very, very good idea for Apple to keep Freescale as a supplier, despite what some people think of the G4 or Motorola. Freescale is not Motorola. The G5 is good processor, but it it not good in all applications. Freescale 's discrete processor tech is in many ways more mature than IBM's. Freescale is under new management and they are getting serious about producing high-performance chips with good FSB. The e600 and e700 may be just the chips Apple needs for their future commodity boxes. It would be insanity for Apple to alienate Freescale just when their options are getting good.
The best conceivable option is to incorporate the G5 iMac AIO form factor into a cheaper system. How is this done? Employ the low-cost Freescale MPC8461 System on Chip, combine it with an inexpensive 15-inch analog LCD, old-school ATA, an external power supply and throw it into a smaller version of the G5 iMac. Cooler tech and no internal power means that it can run fanless, saving significantly on components and engineering. The larger iMac can be appropriately bumped in due time to maintain margins to reduce cannibalization.
Bingo! Apple has an iMac that can be sold at eMac prices without killing margins or risking excessive cannibalization of higher end products. Now, Apple has it all, an appealing mid-priced product, good margins and reasonable market segmentation. Apple can keep a single eMac model around for a year or two longer for education and bargain consumers at the sub $600 range. It's a win-win scenario.
Personally, I have no problem with the idea of a G4 xMac. It would be a machine that retains users of older Macs, attracts new users to the, platform and as a result, encourages developers to stick with the platform. Great concept, the problem is that the rumors don't wash. Why, you might ask? There are no rumors coming out of East Asia regarding Apple sourcing new LCD monitors.
If Apple was intent on introducing an inexpensive, headless unit, Apple must start selling cheap LCD monitors again. Apple does not sell either a 15 or a 17 standalone monitor. Apple does not sell a non-digital monitor. Apple has stated clearly that they don't want to be a cheap monitor vendor. The smallest monitor Apple sells is a 20-inch unit for $1000. The 20-inch is a pro size monitor for a pro budget. Only a very small number of xMac users could afford to spend double what their computer costs for a monitor that may not fit smaller desk spaces.
Apple will not allow a mac computer system to ship without an apple monitor option being available. It would make absolutely no sense to team a small form factor system with a monitor that is much larger and more expensive than the system itself. Apple will not seriously ship a consumer Mac system without an Apple branded monitor. Monitor manufactures are usually the first to squeal about Apple sourcing a product. Without a matching rumor regarding cheaper, smaller monitors, this rumor of a cheap, headless Macintosh utterly lacks credibility.
So, what is this xMac? The xMac is likely not an xMac, but an iHome; an iPod for the home, sorry. It is a way for iPod users to download videos, use iLife and make DVD's using Apple's new movie download services courtesy of the MPAA, home broadband, H.264 and Core Video.
Why wouldn't Apple produce a cheap, headless machine? Steve Jobs and Apple are insistent that Apple doesn't build inexpensive commodity systems, and it is not because they don't like us poor geeks. Firstly, Apple entire business model is based on making decent profits with high margins. In the consumer space, there is much more profit and much, much higher margins with an iHome than an xMac.
Secondly, Steve Jobs is a true believer in the AIO concept. The irony for Steve is he is right about All-In-One being supeiror, though it took 20 years for the technology to catch up with his vision. Since the original Mac, the AIO was a product worth less than the sum of its parts. AIO computers were far less serviceable, bulkier, less-upgradeable, more expensive and less powerful than their traditional desktop counterparts. The G5 iMac form-factor is, in many ways, a better alternative to the traditional desktop. It is reasonably priced, compact, elegant, power-efficient, quiet, fits into an office and almost completely user serviceable. In most respects, the G5 iMac AIO form-factor is a better system for corporate and consumer use. Finally, the G5 iMac is very marketable and well liked by non-mac users. Maybe it is that iPod halo I hear so much about. I don't know. The only thing keeping it from being an absolutely perfect system is an expansion slot and upgradeable video.
There is still the niggling problem of the mid-range and low-end, which is currently defined as $599-$999 and $298-$598. The eMac is Apple's desktop mid-range, the eMac is also a low-powered, aging machine who's form factor and bulk are only well suited to a limited audience, mainly education. Apple needs a more compelling solution in this space without sacrificing their business model on commodity, headless boxes. There is a strong demand for a cheaper version of the G5 iMac. There are two problems with a cut-rate G5 iMac. Slashing the price on the G5 will absolutely kill Apple's margins. It is also a very good idea to keep Freescale as a source of discrete PPC processors.
It is a very, very good idea for Apple to keep Freescale as a supplier, despite what some people think of the G4 or Motorola. Freescale is not Motorola. The G5 is good processor, but it it not good in all applications. Freescale 's discrete processor tech is in many ways more mature than IBM's. Freescale is under new management and they are getting serious about producing high-performance chips with good FSB. The e600 and e700 may be just the chips Apple needs for their future commodity boxes. It would be insanity for Apple to alienate Freescale just when their options are getting good.
The best conceivable option is to incorporate the G5 iMac AIO form factor into a cheaper system. How is this done? Employ the low-cost Freescale MPC8461 System on Chip, combine it with an inexpensive 15-inch analog LCD, old-school ATA, an external power supply and throw it into a smaller version of the G5 iMac. Cooler tech and no internal power means that it can run fanless, saving significantly on components and engineering. The larger iMac can be appropriately bumped in due time to maintain margins to reduce cannibalization.
Bingo! Apple has an iMac that can be sold at eMac prices without killing margins or risking excessive cannibalization of higher end products. Now, Apple has it all, an appealing mid-priced product, good margins and reasonable market segmentation. Apple can keep a single eMac model around for a year or two longer for education and bargain consumers at the sub $600 range. It's a win-win scenario.
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you make a well thought out argument (several actually) but I don't know if I go with them....the biggest would be the display one...last time I checked there ARE Macs sold with out a display..they are called the PowerMac G5s...and that also puts a little hole in a couple other arguments as well...I have seen the iHome pics floating around the web and I think it will be more than just an ipod for the house...best thing to do is wait until tomorrow and we will find out
Not so fast, my friend. I implicity acknolwedged you points in my first argument.gigglebyte said:
According to Apple, and not myself, the Power Mac is clearly a pro machine with pro features for a pro budget. It has been this way since the Power Mac was introduced. A fixed monitor, a lack of slots and no-upgrade video wouldn't work very well in a pro system.
The consumer desktop models have been all AIO since Steve Jobs has returned. Apple has shown absolutely no interest in moving away from consumer AIO. Instead Apple has been throwing in new technologies to make it work.
Unfortunately, the pictures are a confirmed fraud.
...best idea in all of Macdom. Enjoy the riots....best thing to do is wait until tomorrow and we will find out
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yea it does look fake, doesn't take a person with a degree to see that
Irishllama
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Yep, Ima laugh when it is real =D
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Just go to Apple.com, the real Mac Mini is shown. I am impressed. I may pick one up just to play with it. Looks interesting.
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Irishllama said:
God arent i smart?
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If it had SPDIF out it would be absolutly perfect for an HTPC client box. Very nice though.
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All you need now is a good hardware based TV tuner.
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do we know if dual monitors work on the double output or not ?
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dariob said:
hmm I gues not..
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wow...this ain't the low priced pc that Apple claims...
i just went through and added most of the "normal" options that Dell would add in, for example, and even without a monitor, it's kicking in at around $900.00...and no hard drive upgrades either...that's crap.
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i just went through and added most of the "normal" options that Dell would add in, for example, and even without a monitor, it's kicking in at around $900.00...and no hard drive upgrades either...that's crap.
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OMFG IT DOES NOT HAVE PCI OMGAH OMGAH....
just kididng....
anyways. yeah 3rd party ram, i need 512 ram for my ibook, what company should i get it from?
just kididng....
anyways. yeah 3rd party ram, i need 512 ram for my ibook, what company should i get it from?
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crucial would be your best bet...good prices, fast shipping and lifetim warranty
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Um, Just any crucial ram? also i dont even know where it go's.... lol i dont have a owners manual.
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they have a ram configurator on the sight, you know.
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Its not supposed to be a low priced PC. Its supposed to be a low priced Mac
And it is.... It is a great entry point for those who want to run a Mac, what with OS X, no spyware, viruses, and good productivity and multimedia software. And it is small, and looks cool, and they already have an iPod so are turned on to Apple already.Irishllama
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Yeah mac's make me [H]ard
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Irishllama said:
Keep that to yourself in the future!
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so when is someone going to put one in their car or something ?
or make a htpc
or make a htpc
chiming in on the comment earlier, yeah with a 1.4, 512 ram, bluetooth and express it's above $800... but that's not the point. the point is that apple needed to have a product that could occupy the $499 (or $479 edu, or less demo) slot for people wanting to upgrade or change their pcs.
upgrade you ask? yeah... remember the majority of people who buy pcs? you know the one's that aren't [h]ard? the ones that believe the best buy rep that scares them into the extra warranty for their video card because ati is just so hard to deal with. You bet yeah.
I've already sold two friends on the mac mini with just the 512 upgrade. Why? because they bought Celeron and PIII systems when they started college in 2000 and those things are dying and they need something new. sure i could piece together a mobo upgrade, new ram (still SD here folks) cpu, vid card, etc... but for someone that just does word, IE and aim $479 for a box that's a small as a cd rom, that is more resilient in terms of viruses and spyware (been on the average users box? I have, I have 1,000 freshmen to tend after, they dont know jack about sp2, updating winbloz or antivirus), that looks kick ass and is a mac (keep in mind now that apple is becoming as status symbol with the ipod prevalence on college campuses)... yeah these things wwill sell, in droves.
If i didn't just buy a pb i'd have one on order now. heck, i just sold 30 ibook 1ghz laptops in three days because they're only $599. People wanted a cheap apple laptop to take notes on and do ie, so they sold like hot cakes.
the point? this isn't for the [h]ard users, come on, IT'S a ATI 9200!! this is a cheap cheap, very small and stylish entry into the world of OSX. it's beautiful, elegant and cost effective. i for one commend apple for finally realizing the potential of this bargain basement nich market.
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upgrade you ask? yeah... remember the majority of people who buy pcs? you know the one's that aren't [h]ard? the ones that believe the best buy rep that scares them into the extra warranty for their video card because ati is just so hard to deal with. You bet yeah.
I've already sold two friends on the mac mini with just the 512 upgrade. Why? because they bought Celeron and PIII systems when they started college in 2000 and those things are dying and they need something new. sure i could piece together a mobo upgrade, new ram (still SD here folks) cpu, vid card, etc... but for someone that just does word, IE and aim $479 for a box that's a small as a cd rom, that is more resilient in terms of viruses and spyware (been on the average users box? I have, I have 1,000 freshmen to tend after, they dont know jack about sp2, updating winbloz or antivirus), that looks kick ass and is a mac (keep in mind now that apple is becoming as status symbol with the ipod prevalence on college campuses)... yeah these things wwill sell, in droves.
If i didn't just buy a pb i'd have one on order now. heck, i just sold 30 ibook 1ghz laptops in three days because they're only $599. People wanted a cheap apple laptop to take notes on and do ie, so they sold like hot cakes.
the point? this isn't for the [h]ard users, come on, IT'S a ATI 9200!! this is a cheap cheap, very small and stylish entry into the world of OSX. it's beautiful, elegant and cost effective. i for one commend apple for finally realizing the potential of this bargain basement nich market.
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at least they used a real AGP solution with dedicated video ram. Any PC in that price point wont even come with the video card, it will have the crap integrated graphics on the MB that is even worse than a 9200. And for that price point, a 9200 is just fine. Nobody is going to buy a Mac Mini to play Doom 3 on. It will play the kind of games people at this price point play just fine.
One of these paired with the 20" display and all decked out with a griffin Imic...
the other point I havent seen mentioned is that the price on the used older G4 towarz should be dropping like a rock. I know I'm not going to buy a single proc G4 and spend double for it than I could pick up one of these for. Those older g4's have even worse video cards in them than the mac mini has.....compare a 9200 with a GF2MX or a GF4MX, and see which machine wins. The Mini will kick ass.
One of these paired with the 20" display and all decked out with a griffin Imic...
the other point I havent seen mentioned is that the price on the used older G4 towarz should be dropping like a rock. I know I'm not going to buy a single proc G4 and spend double for it than I could pick up one of these for. Those older g4's have even worse video cards in them than the mac mini has.....compare a 9200 with a GF2MX or a GF4MX, and see which machine wins. The Mini will kick ass.