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does a workgroup require a protocol?

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scottatwittenberg

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i am trying to get a winXP computer to show up on my network... all the other computers are win2000 and have netbeui. i can't add netbeui under xp... i know that i can do nwlink between 2000 and xp... but i thought that i should be able to do it with just tcp ip...

all computers are running through a d-link router... and get ip addresses via DHCP from the router... how can i set it up where i can network all the computers together? or do i just stick nwlink on them?
 
i added nwlink... it works.. i didn't even have to restart either computer, but... i would rather not have extra protocols if i don't really need them..
 
then just run tcp/ip on all of them?

to answer your question in the title, yes, for any computer to communicate over a network, a protocol is needed.
 
^^^ What he said. And if you absolutely must have NetBEUI-like functionality you can always run NetBIOS over TCP/IP (NBT). FWIW, both 2K and XP support NBT.
 
You can also install NetBEUI in XP. It's on the CD. A quick google search will yield several walkthroughs on how to do it, however it's almost always uneccessary.
 
NetBEUI is unroutable, true. It can be bridged if you want. Its only real use is on a LAN. It is a legacy protocol that was made mostly obsolete by NetBIOS over TCP (NBT), which is what Microsoft networking uses. Windows XP and 2000 no longer need NBT, and can work on pure TCP/IP.

There's no reason to have NetBEUI running on a LAN with all Windows 2000/XP systems. Just having TCP/IP should be enough for them all to see each other. Check and make sure the Internet Firewall feature is not enabled on XP - that will prevent it from seeing the other PCs on your network.
 
Originally posted by JCH
Windows XP and 2000 no longer need NBT, and can work on pure TCP/IP.
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I agree what which you're saying, but this part is new to me. Could you explain it in a little more detail?
 
ok, what am i doing wrong then? i was running a purely tcp/ip network, and couldn't get the computers to see each other... why? they all have names, they all are in the same workgroup..

does anyone have any ideas?
 
ok... . maybe this is my problem... i have sygate firewall on all the computers... should i just scrap it? my router might have one built in... d-link dl-604... i need to disable my mom's mcaffee firewall too... is it something that simple keeping them from seeing each other with tcp/ip???
 
Originally posted by scottatwittenberg
ok... . maybe this is my problem... i have sygate firewall on all the computers... should i just scrap it? my router might have one built in... d-link dl-604... i need to disable my mom's mcaffee firewall too... is it something that simple keeping them from seeing each other with tcp/ip???
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If you have the DI-604 then we have the same router and yes it does have a built in firewall. You shouldn't need client security on every machine, the router should suffice
 
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Originally posted by JCH
Windows XP and 2000 no longer need NBT, and can work on pure TCP/IP.
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I agree what which you're saying, but this part is new to me. Could you explain it in a little more detail?
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An ideal active directory (win2k/2k3) would not use NBT/WINS. Usually running NBT/WINS is to support legacy systems. pure name resolution would be by using DNS only. Essentially turning off NBT on a winxp/2k machine will make it virtually disappear off a "network neighborhood" because it doesn't broadcast anymore (its hostname, workgroup, capabilities).
 
ok.... umm... how do i set up my dl-604 firewall?

or is it already? do i need to set up a new rule?



also.. i am right back to where i started...

i took the firewall 3 comptuers... i removed all netbeui, nwlink, crap... my xp computer turned my nic into a "network bridge" what does this mean??? but it somehow still connects to my router and has an address assigned to it from the router...

and my win2k comptuer with no firewall on it, won't see my xp computer or my mom's computer... neither have a firewall running on them right now...

there has to be something i am doing wrong... do i need to make the computers where you have to log into them? or do i have to set something up in my router? i doubt it since it did kinda work when i had the netbeui and netware on it...
 
does a network bridge get put on when you have 2 or more nics in a comptuer? my one computer has a gigabyte motherboard with a built in davicom 9120/A i guess... because the thing installs, but there definitely isn't a port for it.. i just disabled it... but.. i think the bridge was trying to bridge them together or somethign.,..
 
Its hard to understand some of the things your trying to explain.
I am not sure what your problem is.
Go around and make sure all the computers have tcp/ip installed and everything else, uninstalled. Make sure all the firewalls are uninstalled from the computers. You shouldn't have to do any configuration with the router, it should be fine.
I don't know what this "network bridge" is, but you don't need it.
After setting that up right, it should be fine and you should be able to see the rest of the computers.
 
Scott, I think i know what you are referring to . If you see an adapter called network bridge. Please delete it.

Lets just keep this very simple.

(1) All the computers should be connected with one ethernet cable to to the dlink.
(2) Make sure they are in the same workgroup. Go to my computer -> properties -> Computer Name.
(3) Go to every computer and make sure that Netbios over TCP/IP is enabled. (right click network neighborhood, properties, right-click on your network adapter, properties, tcp/ip settings, advanced, wins.) Make sure its set to enabled, not default.
(4) lets ping each machine by IP. Then by name.

Give this a shot and let us know if you have more issues.
 
to simplify things, i am only trying to get the 2 compters i have on my desk right here working at first...

i removed all netbeui, netware, etc...
i rebooted my d-link..
i enabled "netbios over tcp" on both (they already were by default)
i was able to succesfully ping them from one another..
they are both in the same workgroup..

and they can't see each other...

how do i ping a computer by name??

i type "ping 192.168.0.101" to ping my comptuer named "server".. so do i type "ping server" ??
 
Originally posted by scottatwittenberg
to simplify things, i am only trying to get the 2 compters i have on my desk right here working at first...

i removed all netbeui, netware, etc...
i rebooted my d-link..
i enabled "netbios over tcp" on both (they already were by default)
i was able to succesfully ping them from one another..
they are both in the same workgroup..

and they can't see each other...

how do i ping a computer by name??

i type "ping 192.168.0.101" to ping my comptuer named "server".. so do i type "ping server" ??
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if you can ping each computer, then it doesn't sound like a problem with IPs and the setup. Are you sure XPs firewall is turned off? I don't know what else to you since that seems kind of odd. They should be able to see each other.
The ip configs you gave seem alright to me.

and yes, you do type "ping server" if the name of the computer is Server.
 
ok.. problem solved.. the damn... client for ms networks, and file and print sharing boxes got unchecked on my 2000 machine... now i gotta figure out my mom's...
 
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