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Money is the issue. I have a 3070 and of course I would like the latest and greatest to buy but my wife insists on eating regularly. Will I "feel" much of a bump going from a 3070 to a 3080TI? At today's prices that is the best I can hope for. AMD X570, 64gig, Don't OC.
 
A 3080TI or 4070 Super would be a 40%ish bump in performance, so would definitely be felt. But right now is the worst time to be shopping for GPUs, so personally I would ride out the 3070 for the next year or so at least until the market cools down again unless you find an exceptional deal. As I said in another thread here yesterday, it's a good time to work on your backlog or get into retro games.

IMO, quality new AAA games are getting fewer and far between as well, with all the UE5 slop and design by commitee games. So I don't think you're missing out much unless you have a specific game or two in mind you want to upgrade for.
 
3070->3080 is not nothing the gap between the GA102 and 103 was a big one, full different tier of card (8GB->12GB of vram is nice to have has well), what title are you struggling with ? (some franchise/engine to run better on AMD, so a 6900xt/7800xt could be an other option to look at)
 
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3070->3080 is not nothing the gap between the GA102 and 103 was a big one, full different tier of card (8GB->12GB of vram is nice to have has well), what title are you struggling with ? (some franchise/engine to run better on AMD, so a 6900xt/7800xt could be an other option to look at)
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I am not a high speed gamer at a decrepit age. I can feel the loss or maybe it is the upgrade back monkey but still can't afford anything beyond a used 3080TI. My monitor is limited to 60fps but is 4K capable and I would like to up my 4K fps as I cannot up my FPS. Your info seems encouraging so maybe it is time to post a WTB. I know I can get money for the old 3070 but my wife although a non gamer has already called dibs.
 
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I am not a high speed gamer at a decrepit age. I can feel the loss or maybe it is the upgrade back monkey but still can't afford anything beyond a used 3080TI. My monitor is limited to 60fps but is 4K capable and I would like to up my 4K fps as I cannot up my FPS. Your info seems encouraging so maybe it is time to post a WTB. I know I can get money for the old 3070 but my wife although a non gamer has already called dibs.
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I have a 3080ti and with the latest dlss modes you can get a very nice image at 4k60 with just about any game made so far. It’s absolutely worth the upgrade from the 3070, it has a few underlying features already mentioned which make it very usable today and should keep it moderately performant for the next 2–3 years at least
-12gb of vram is basically the bare min for reliable 4k gaming. Reason for this is modern consoles are generally capped at around that number so developers create games with that in mind. There are a few exceptions that can creep above that when using lots of ray/path tracing (like Indiana Jones) but unless you have a much more performant card you would never game at those settings since the fps would be unbearable.
-the GA102 chip is roughly on par with the 5070, so it had lots of compute power. Granted it simply doesn’t overclock well and is much less efficient but you’re still talking about a tdp of around 325-350w max so not exceedingly bad.
-will most likely keep compatibility with the next dlss flavor when it’s released, unlike the 2080 or 2080tu. Granted so will the 3070, but at 8gb of vram it simply doesn’t have the memory for 4k. That’s why 3060 12gb models often sell for more than 3070s on the open market.

You can generally find 3080tis around $400 nowadays, which is the value/performance sweet spot at the moment. Another option might be the arc b580 if you must buy new. Xess has gotten much better and you can still find decent deals on the Intel guys. The chip is equivalent to the 3070 but the 12gb vram is necessary for 4k.
 
I went from a 3070 to a 3080 when they were both new (thanks covid supply chains). For the main GPU intensive game I play - Path of Exile 1 - it was enough of a boost to be noticeable in how often - or close to when I fell short - sustaining 4k60 gameplay (and when I went much beyond that my elderly CPU got overwhelmed enough it didn't matter what my GPU was). Out side of that sort of marginal case I don't know if it'd be worth it. My old 1080 struggled at 4k even in light content, and the 3070 was close but not quite enough.
 
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My monitor is limited to 60fps but is 4K capable and I would like to up my 4K fps as I cannot up my FPS.
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In that case, I think you would be better served selling/trading your monitor towards a higher refresh rate (and VRR capable) 1440p monitor. This will give you a nice performance bump for your 3070 while also allowing you to enjoy better performance over 60 FPS when possible. It will also allow you to target a more budget-friendly GPU when you're able to upgrade it down the line.

Unless you have a productivity use case for the 4k monitor, then maybe just keep that as a 2nd monitor and get a 1440p monitor for gaming on it. I just know I'd much rather get a 120hz+ monitor over a new GPU if I already had a decent enough card like a 3070 at the time. The 3070 may not be able to get near 120 FPS in most newer games, but it def can in games from a few years ago and beyond. And VRR in itself is a huge benefit so you don't have to worry about v-syncing to any performance target.

I'm on 1440p (ultrawide 240Hz OLED) with a 5080 and think it's still the perfect gaming resolution and balance of IQ and performance.
 
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I have a 3080ti and with the latest dlss modes you can get a very nice image at 4k60 with just about any game made so far. It’s absolutely worth the upgrade from the 3070, it has a few underlying features already mentioned which make it very usable today and should keep it moderately performant for the next 2–3 years at least
-12gb of vram is basically the bare min for reliable 4k gaming. Reason for this is modern consoles are generally capped at around that number so developers create games with that in mind. There are a few exceptions that can creep above that when using lots of ray/path tracing (like Indiana Jones) but unless you have a much more performant card you would never game at those settings since the fps would be unbearable.
-the GA102 chip is roughly on par with the 5070, so it had lots of compute power. Granted it simply doesn’t overclock well and is much less efficient but you’re still talking about a tdp of around 325-350w max so not exceedingly bad.
-will most likely keep compatibility with the next dlss flavor when it’s released, unlike the 2080 or 2080tu. Granted so will the 3070, but at 8gb of vram it simply doesn’t have the memory for 4k. That’s why 3060 12gb models often sell for more than 3070s on the open market.

You can generally find 3080tis around $400 nowadays, which is the value/performance sweet spot at the moment. Another option might be the arc b580 if you must buy new. Xess has gotten much better and you can still find decent deals on the Intel guys. The chip is equivalent to the 3070 but the 12gb vram is necessary for 4k.
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I am going to place a WTB for a 3080TI, I saw only one on the H in the last few months that was memorable, it was $275.00 shipped. I won't find one at that price but maybe close.
 
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I'm on 1440p (ultrawide 240Hz OLED) with a 5080 and think it's still the perfect gaming resolution and balance of IQ and performance.
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I am on the same configuration. I actually have two 45” LG monitors, one at 1440P and one that has dual mode 5K/1080p and I actually enjoy gaming on the 1440P monitor the most. I agree with selling your original monitor and getting a nice 1440P monitor.
 
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I am on the same configuration. I actually have two 45” LG monitors, one at 1440P and one that has dual mode 5K/1080p and I actually enjoy gaming on the 1440P monitor the most. I agree with selling your original monitor and getting a nice 1440P monitor.
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Ahh, nice I prolly have the same 1440p LG Ultragear monitor as you then and have been eyeing the newer 5k/1080p model as well. I would prefer it have a 1440p mode but don't think that would physically work with the resolution/pixel math scaling on that, because the only issue I have with the 1440p version is lack of resolution and real-estate for desktop applications, otherwise it has been perfect for me.

I wonder if it would really look any different or worse than the 1440p model if you just output a similar resolution to the 5k monitor or if it would be better to just use DLSS to its 5K res from a Peformance or Balanced quality level? But then you're limited to its 165Hz vs 240Hz on the 1440p model too, which I suppose isn't really a big deal in perceivable smoothness. I would love to have both of them to compare as you have!

Sorry to derail the thread as well.
 
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But then you're limited to its 165Hz vs 240Hz on the 1440p model
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The colors just look nicer on the 1440P model IMO. Sure the text is clearer on the 5k model but not enough for me to worry about. I’ll stop here so not to further derail the thread.
 
narsbars said:
I am going to place a WTB for a 3080TI, I saw only one on the H in the last few months that was memorable, it was $275.00 shipped. I won't find one at that price but maybe close.
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That's what I'd do, though I'd also keep your eye open for good deals on other models, like the assorted 12GB variations of the 4070. 3080 12GB non-Ti would also be worth looking at. They're not quite as quick, but they're close and when you're talking used it's as much about what sort of deal you can get as anything else.
 
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Ahh, nice I prolly have the same 1440p LG Ultragear monitor as you then and have been eyeing the newer 5k/1080p model as well. I would prefer it have a 1440p mode but don't think that would physically work with the resolution/pixel math scaling on that, because the only issue I have with the 1440p version is lack of resolution and real-estate for desktop applications, otherwise it has been perfect for me.

I wonder if it would really look any different or worse than the 1440p model if you just output a similar resolution to the 5k monitor or if it would be better to just use DLSS to its 5K res from a Peformance or Balanced quality level? But then you're limited to its 165Hz vs 240Hz on the 1440p model too, which I suppose isn't really a big deal in perceivable smoothness. I would love to have both of them to compare as you have!

Sorry to derail the thread as well.
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!!!! You are right. I have the LG, and still love the unit but it is getting elderly.
 
Honestly T4rd's monitor suggestion is the real sleeper advice in this thread. At 4K/60Hz with a 3070 you're in the worst possible spot – not enough GPU for the resolution, and not enough refresh rate to benefit from dropping to a lower res.

A decent 1440p/144Hz monitor can be had for under $200 used these days, and your 3070 will suddenly feel like a completely different card. You'd go from struggling at 4K/60 to comfortably hitting 100+ fps in most titles at 1440p – that's a way bigger perceived upgrade than swapping to a 3080 Ti while staying on the same 60Hz panel.
 
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Honestly T4rd's monitor suggestion is the real sleeper advice in this thread. At 4K/60Hz with a 3070 you're in the worst possible spot – not enough GPU for the resolution, and not enough refresh rate to benefit from dropping to a lower res.

A decent 1440p/144Hz monitor can be had for under $200 used these days, and your 3070 will suddenly feel like a completely different card. You'd go from struggling at 4K/60 to comfortably hitting 100+ fps in most titles at 1440p – that's a way bigger perceived upgrade than swapping to a 3080 Ti while staying on the same 60Hz panel.
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Logically my brain thinks you are right, my "gotta upgrade" bug has fangs sunk in me and does not want to let go.
 
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Logically my brain thinks you are right, my "gotta upgrade" bug has fangs sunk in me and does not want to let go.
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You don't think a monitor upgrade would scratch that itch as much of a GPU? To me a monitor upgrade is just as much (if not more so really) of a dopamine hit as a GPU upgrade. 😅 Even going from one 1440p UW monitor (AW3418DW) to another (LG Ultragear 45" 240Hz OLED) was a huge upgrade for me just for the size and display type (LCD vs OLED) difference. Going from 120 to 240Hz was a minor upgrade though IMO, and anything past that would be a negligible performance difference to me.

It makes just as much of a difference to your enjoyment of a game as a GPU, esp. going from a 60Hz display to 120+. That alone will impact your enjoyment more than resolution or performance will for sure providing the game you're playing can average above 60 at all. It's basically like the difference going from a HDD to SSD.
 
I'm liking the higher refresh 1440p monitor idea. I have an Intel ARC B580 in one of my rigs, and it does just fine at 1440p. Usually a 3070 is a bit faster than a B580, but I'm getting better fps than you are - it's hooked up to a 180Hz 1440p FreeSync screen and I don't have any trouble keeping it over 60. 4k mostly works if upscaling is available, and could be worse on a 3070 in some newer stuff since it's 8GB vram vs. 12GB on the B580 and more likely to get pinched on vram at 4k with upscaling. There are a lot of titles these days that can use more than 8GB vram, but I'm not aware of any that won't run decently in 8GB at 1440p. Not at max settings of course, but you're nowhere close to that trying to run 4k on a 3070.
 
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