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Blackstone said:
Meh, I made the thread too soon. Fact. I mean, at a certain point this thread will be for the actual enthusiasts who just need to get more FPS injected into their eyeballs. I just don’t think the other thread is properly titled since we don’t know the price or performance yet.

I understand the pricing concerns. I share them, to an extent. But I view it differently having sat on 3090 for 4 years. I tend to think that you can’t really judge a card based solely on its MSRP and VRAM and specs. I think longevity of the card is the ultimate test of value and we won’t know whether it’s a good value until we’ve owned it for a while. I can’t really complain about a high upfront investment in a new card after sitting on 3090 for four years. That’s an incredible run.

I also think that 3000 series owners are gonna look at this very differently from 4000 series owners. If you already have a 4000 card I’m sure the pricing looks straight up insane. If you’re still on your 3090, however I think it’s a bit more palatable even as pricey, as it looks like it will be.

The real question is for this money am I getting two years of life out of the card or four years of life out of the card? I really don’t want to be spending this kind of money every two years. I’m kind of OK spending this kind of money every four years because I know how many awesome gaming moments are going to be had and I think that as hobbies go, it’s still not one of the more expensive hobbies out there.

I think if you’re on 3090 or 3080 you’re running out of road and you need an upgrade now. probably desperately need an update if you’re on 4K. I think if you’re on 4000 series the right thing is probably to wait until the refresh and maybe they rectify the deficiencies in the 5080 with a little bit more VRAM.

I just don’t understand the hate for Nvidia, considering the legs that their cards have had lately. I mean prior to 3090. I was running 1080 TI for God knows how many years and I was able to skip the entire 2000 series of cards.

I mean if you’re on 4090 right now you’re getting like what 60-70 FPS in cyberpunk with path tracing? If I had that kind of performance right now, I would consider probably keeping my card until the refresh of 5000 series. But I’m at like 30 -40FPS or whatever and so I’m all in.

I mean, it is easy for me to say that this is going to be a go because I’m just plain overdue for an upgrade. For 4000 series owners I guess price really is a big factor.

I think people on 3000 series cards are gonna take the hit and it’s gonna be painful but the jump in performance is probably gonna blow our hair back and we’ll suck it up.
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this. im going try do what i can get my hands on a 5090 and if i cant even 5080 isnt WORST option coming from a 3080 10GB. I normally hate financing hardware but i might give a bit if Microcenter will let me pay large chunk off up front.
 
Blackstone said:
Meh, I made the thread too soon.
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The voice of reason.

I love it when people do this. A simple acknowledgement like this goes such a long way.

I’ll be buying a 5090 as soon as I can get my hands on one… within reason. I’m not dropping my pants and bending over blindly for Nvidia though.

Regarding the actual performance of the card… the tech talk… I’m well aware that this board has been discussing tech for 30 years… that guy above is just plain condescending to say that… but we need to see the card in action first.

Honestly, people in this thread know that. The real problem here is carry over from the PC gaming section. A certain group of belligerents don’t like it that I disagreed with them about their silly DEI campaign, so they’re being contrarian in this thread.

If I had said let’s not discuss the pricing, they would have started hollering about the pricing.
 
Hershy said:
The voice of reason.

I love it when people do this. A simple acknowledgement like this goes such a long way.

I’ll be buying a 5090 as soon as I can get my hands on one… within reason. I’m not dropping my pants and bending over blindly for Nvidia though.

Regarding the actual performance of the card… the tech talk… I’m well aware that this board has been discussing tech for 30 years… that guy above is just plain condescending to say that… but we need to see the card in action first.

Honestly, people in this thread know that. The real problem here is carry over from the PC gaming section. A certain group of belligerents don’t like it that I disagreed with them about their silly DEI campaign, so they’re being contrarian in this thread.

If I had said let’s not discuss the pricing, they would have started hollering about the pricing.
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Please stop bringing your brand of trolling here. Thank you in advance.
 
Hershy said:
The voice of reason.

I love it when people do this. A simple acknowledgement like this goes such a long way.

I’ll be buying a 5090 as soon as I can get my hands on one… within reason. I’m not dropping my pants and bending over blindly for Nvidia though.

Regarding the actual performance of the card… the tech talk… I’m well aware that this board has been discussing tech for 30 years… that guy above is just plain condescending to say that… but we need to see the card in action first.

Honestly, people in this thread know that. The real problem here is carry over from the PC gaming section. A certain group of belligerents don’t like it that I disagreed with them about their silly DEI campaign, so they’re being contrarian in this thread.

If I had said let’s not discuss the pricing, they would have started hollering about the pricing.
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Look at this dude, doesn't even know who was are the forefront of PC reviewing for years.

I'm adopting a wait and see approach, I can't be bothered to F5 for hours trying to score one so if they fly off the shelves instantly I'll wait until they're in stock at normal prices. I have $2K set aside for it already.
 
$2999.99 - They'll sell out when you can run a GPT-4 class LLM on them Nvidia developed. This is likely going to be positioned as a professional card. Why not bring back the Titan name and just have the 5080? Titan AI.
 
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Decko87 said:
$2999.99 - They'll sell out when you can run a GPT-4 class LLM on them Nvidia developed. This is likely going to be positioned as a professional card. Why not bring back the Titan name and just have the 5080? Titan AI.
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where are people pulling this 3k number from?
 
That 5090 looks heavy, you guys may need some of my 65# braid fishing line to attach to the outer corner of the card and attach to the top of the case for support. Damn near 4 slots, wow.
 
mullet said:
That 5090 looks heavy, you guys may need some of my 65# braid fishing line to attach to the outer corner of the card and attach to the top of the case for support. Damn near 4 slots, wow.
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Ill be fine. My video card is mounted vertically with the Thermaltake 300.
 
I think if I do decide to get one, considering I'm a short drive away from 2 Microcenters, I'm in a pretty damn good position. If I can't get one at all, desire notwithstanding, then it's just a shitshow all around. I'm going to be waiting on those AI generation speed numbers before making my decision.

The weight is going to be absolutely no issue thanks to my vertical CTE C750 case, thankfully.

I don't think price can be excluded from the discussion entirely. At least, price vs performance would be pretty relevant (after release anyway) and how people feel after getting it (not that it will matter considering where we're at), and comparisons to current tech. It's a hot button issue with how much these are now. My only quip here, to remain mostly on topic, is again just be responsible... it's 100% unnecessary. Since my 4090 and 3080 Ti are tied up doing Stable Diffusion these days, I spend most of my time gaming at 4k on 42" LG C3... on a 2080 RTX. And it still works fine for basically everything I've tried. The best, no, but the best is rarely needed to have fun. Helldivers, Star Wars Fallen Order, etc... everything has run just fine on it, and looks more than good enough. Lot of FOMO driving these sales, gonna see how much FOMO I'm gonna have too, I guess lol.
 
i guess to me, if 5090 can do path RT without needing DLSS at high frame rates, I might swap the 4090 for one but other wise it doesn't seem worth it. I really like Native...I still hate the idea of "gimmicks" to get quality visuals at high frame rates. Its honestly not that big a deal right now except on indian jones, at least out of the games I have played since having a 4090.

no way this costs less than $2500 and good luck even getting one at MSRP when they drop.
 
KazeoHin said:
Some people are unrealistically optimistic and think it will be that cheap :p
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From my perspective, why would they sell it for less? It'll be a good AI card with 32 gb of ram. It'll be sold out for the next two years at 3k.


Why wouldn't they market it as a gaming card but first and foremost a professional card with a huge amount of AI capability? Seems obvious.
 
Unless it beats the Titan V in FP64 performance, the price doesn't matter to me. Maybe someone should start a 5k series GPGPU performance thread as I suspect there's less people that care about that aspect than gaming or AI. But I am le lazy....
 
Even at a theoretical $999 the 5080 is a big "maybe, probably not" for me. Hard to swallow that kind of cost, for 16 GB VRAM at that.

10 GB 3080 is starting to show age but nothing worth upgrading to for a reasonable price.
 
MavericK said:
Even at a theoretical $999 the 5080 is a big "maybe, probably not" for me. Hard to swallow that kind of cost, for 16 GB VRAM at that.

10 GB 3080 is starting to show age but nothing worth upgrading to for a reasonable price.
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And nothing WILL be worth upgrading for a reasonable price. Nvidia's goal is to pull the MAXIMUM amount of money out of you. They will drag you kicking and screaming for as much money as they can to upgrade to something that is a technical upgrade but a compromise in every possible way for as much money as they feasibly can.


The days of a product like the 1080Ti that can play games for generations is over. Nvidia learned to incorporate recent and relevant obsolescence in their gaming products so they don't get another product like that pesky 1080Ti that made gamers wait more than two generations to upgrade. And also, the 5080 is probably going to be $1500
 
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And nothing WILL be worth upgrading for a reasonable price. Nvidia's goal is to pull the MAXIMUM amount of money out of you. They will drag you kicking and screaming for as much money as they can to upgrade to something that is a technical upgrade but a compromise in every possible way for as much money as they feasibly can.


The days of a product like the 1080Ti that can play games for generations is over. Nvidia learned to incorporate recent and relevant obsolescence in their gaming products so they don't get another product like that pesky 1080Ti that made gamers wait more than two generations to upgrade. And also, probably going to be $1500
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I agree. The problem with their plan is two-fold:
1. Only their top generation graphics card is ahead of the curve. I don't see anyone going from an RTX 4090 to a RTX 5080. As for the RTX 5070, it's marginally going to be better than the RTX 4070, and if you have an RTX 3080, also no reason to upgrade. Then there's the AMD cards. The used market really hampers adoption of getting anything other than the RTX 5080 or 5090. When you can get a RTX 3080 or 7800XT for half the price for similar performance, it doesn't make sense to buy new at absurd prices.
2. Games and graphics engines are the driving force for graphics card upgrades. I'd be fine with a RTX 3070 at native 1440P for the games I play. No raytracing and no DLSS needed. The AAA games industry has been going downhill, so unless there's a great game showcasing a new shiny gimmick (like raytracing, DLSS, or even PhysX from over a decade ago), there's no point to upgrade for the majority of gamers.

I'm just here to enjoy the 5090 benchmarks (and drama in case people spend $3k for a graphics card that burns down their house).
 
Graphic cards are just like phones. Every year they come out with a new one and enough people buy it at crazy prices. The 5X00 will be a hard pass. Anyone with a decent 4070 and above GPU should be fine unless you 240 4K OLED
 
The problem is the bulk of 40 series buyers almost certainly bought into a 40 series in the past year after mulling over the later models in the family after they got released. And none of them were "well priced" so nobody wants to shell out even more money for what might otherwise be an incremental hardware upgrade that relies on new AI/DLSS tech to improve performance.

RTX50 has to be something significant for those people to budge.

The 5090 doesn't count, like the 4090 it stands on its own with no equal, well, only the 4090 just below it. The 5080 some say will match the 4090, I say good luck with that, not with 16GB VRAM and lower memory bus width and cores it can't.

I have a 4090 which I bought back in April last year and there is no chance I can be bothered paying what will almost certainly be at least £2000 for a 5090 without a significant uplift in all areas of GPU use, which for me includes heavy GPU acceleration in productivity as well. My games all run great at 4K 240Hz QD-OLED so no real issue there, but even Lightroom batch exporting can see up to 20GB VRAM used at times or more and I do a lot of editing in Davinci too which now supports AV1 encoding for Nvidia.

For gaming nobody with a 4080 Super/4090 would really need to worry as the upgrades to DLSS SR and RR will be on all RTX cards, as well as Frame Gen for 40 series. It's the new Advanced DLSS rumour that sounds interesting, what is it and will it be locked to 50 series only.... And whilst DLSS continues to get better and more efficient, the notion of keeping the 40 series instead of upgrading keeps growing stronger.

On the other hand it's entirely possible I can still sell my 4090 for more than the £1600 I paid for it and then add the rest for a 5090 so there is that thought too especially if the FE cards are 2 slot coolers as rumoured which I find very appealing, and also get the revised power connector for peace of mind long term lol.
 
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Maybe but all signs point to it will. Using GDDR7 and a larger die than the 4090 should translate into higher prices if Nvidia wants to maintain the same margin on it.
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Not to mention developement costs and 4 years of higher than normal inflation.
 
Blackstone said:
Meh, I made the thread too soon. Fact. I mean, at a certain point this thread will be for the actual enthusiasts who just need to get more FPS injected into their eyeballs. I just don’t think the other thread is properly titled since we don’t know the price or performance yet.

I understand the pricing concerns. I share them, to an extent. But I view it differently having sat on 3090 for 4 years. I tend to think that you can’t really judge a card based solely on its MSRP and VRAM and specs. I think longevity of the card is the ultimate test of value and we won’t know whether it’s a good value until we’ve owned it for a while. I can’t really complain about a high upfront investment in a new card after sitting on 3090 for four years. That’s an incredible run.

I also think that 3000 series owners are gonna look at this very differently from 4000 series owners. If you already have a 4000 card I’m sure the pricing looks straight up insane. If you’re still on your 3090, however I think it’s a bit more palatable even as pricey, as it looks like it will be.

The real question is for this money am I getting two years of life out of the card or four years of life out of the card? I really don’t want to be spending this kind of money every two years. I’m kind of OK spending this kind of money every four years because I know how many awesome gaming moments are going to be had and I think that as hobbies go, it’s still not one of the more expensive hobbies out there.

I think if you’re on 3090 or 3080 you’re running out of road and you need an upgrade now. probably desperately need an update if you’re on 4K. I think if you’re on 4000 series the right thing is probably to wait until the refresh and maybe they rectify the deficiencies in the 5080 with a little bit more VRAM.

I just don’t understand the hate for Nvidia, considering the legs that their cards have had lately. I mean prior to 3090. I was running 1080 TI for God knows how many years and I was able to skip the entire 2000 series of cards.

I mean if you’re on 4090 right now you’re getting like what 60-70 FPS in cyberpunk with path tracing? If I had that kind of performance right now, I would consider probably keeping my card until the refresh of 5000 series. But I’m at like 30 -40FPS or whatever and so I’m all in.

I mean, it is easy for me to say that this is going to be a go because I’m just plain overdue for an upgrade. For 4000 series owners I guess price really is a big factor.

I think people on 3000 series cards are gonna take the hit and it’s gonna be painful but the jump in performance is probably gonna blow our hair back and we’ll suck it up.
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The cards (soft) launch tonight, the thread was created Friday -- I don't think you jumped the gun too much and I've seen "Owner's Thread" pop up much earlier. A few days prior, we also normally get a cacaphone off similar leaks that basically lock in everything. In concept, it's better to funnel the discussion in a single thread at this point, much like I have my dev teams combine Git and Teams threads/channels close to release where attention is more focused.
 
Decko87 said:
From my perspective, why would they sell it for less? It'll be a good AI card with 32 gb of ram. It'll be sold out for the next two years at 3k.


Why wouldn't they market it as a gaming card but first and foremost a professional card with a huge amount of AI capability? Seems obvious.
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I fear this is the truth.

My 2080ti is perfectly adequate of gaming...if it can't handle Title XYZ at super duper settings, I lower the settings. If there is a game it can't play I'd simply play something else. Reason I got the 2080ti in the first place was because I really wanted to play Cyberpunk.

I desperately want a 5090 for AI purposes though. I'd be willing get two, but I don't think I can come up with a case/power solution that will handle it in my home:(

I'll definitely buy one if I can get a FE for MSRP. If I can't I'm going to start looking some of the older 48GB Professional models.

Give me VRAM NVIDIA!
 
sentence like sold out always depends on volume.... they make just 200,000 they could sell it out at absurd price, they aim for 1.5, 2.... 2.5 millions units, that change the price tag for which you can sell all of them, there is no sell out price that really exist, it is a volume-price target that will sell-out.

If this has strong 4bits support and models continue to get smaller.... what 32GB will be able to do will be a lot, 8GB will be yesterday 16GB (and last years 32)... in some ways.
 
Hershy said:
Blah, blah, blah…

Translation: the new 50xx cards will give you better frame rates and slightly better RTX performance.

Also, saying we can’t talk about the cost of these cards is absurd. The cost is fundamental to the discussion.
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"RTX performance." Define RTX.
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If I end up getting one I think I need to get a new PSU also. 1200w might be a bit tight, I think I'm am currently using around 390w idle and like 800w when games are compiling shaders. The 5090 might pull as much as 675w by itself at max according to a arstechnica article I read this morning. Either way I can't get it unless it has a 2-slot max size AIO version or it just won't fit due to all my PCIe slots being filled.
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PC in sig pulls 700-750W from the wall. That is 644-690W from the power supply at 92% efficiency. 1000W will still be plenty for a 575W card, let alone 1200W.
 
LukeTbk said:
sentence like sold out always depends on volume.... they make just 200,000 they could sell it out at absurd price, they aim for 1.5, 2.... 2.5 millions units, that change the price tag for which you can sell all of them, there is no sell out price that really exist, it is a volume-price target that will sell-out.

If this has strong 4bits support and models continue to get smaller.... what 32GB will be able to do will be a lot, 8GB will be yesterday 16GB (and last years 32)... in some ways.
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Based on the past few releases I'd be VERY surprised if they had enough stock to not be OOS within minutes of listing.
 
First day first 100,000 units selling out will not be a challenge (outside absurd price and giant pre-loading volume), 1 or 2 years long of sales..... (yearly cadence could be true here, so a lot of usual could get out of the window).

Depends how it yield, it is a very mature process maybe they do not end up with that many 5090 despite the giant volume of GB202 they will make to feed x40-rtx6000 datacenter, AI farm... and how different the product will be, how effective they will be to push pro-user into giant priced pro-lines vs how well a 5090 will do for them as well can define a lot the sellout point for 2 millions units.

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What time is the keynote?
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6:30 PST
 
Armenius said:
"RTX performance." Define RTX.

PC in sig pulls 700-750W from the wall. That is 644-690W from the power supply at 92% efficiency. 1000W will still be plenty for a 575W card, let alone 1200W.
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1200W is absolutely plenty. You could MAYBE even START being concerned if you're on like 1000W and using 14900KS, but to begin with many gamers are on an X800 X3D chip these (especially anyone that's that's actually purchasing one of these) days and those are incredibly power efficient. Even the 9800X3D is only 120W TDP. Definitely an overblown concern, even if it ends up being a 600W part. Now, 800W and below is where you'll have issues.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/K2VpKq

A full 4090 system (literally me just taking random crap and throwing it into the bin to gauge TDP, ignore the actual part choices) with a 9800X3D is 727W TDP. Add 150W to the GPU and you're at 877W. 1000W should be fine unless you lift power limits quite drastically. 1200W should be absolutely no issue unless you do something pretty exotic.
 
StoleMyOwnCar said:
1200W is absolutely plenty. You could MAYBE even START being concerned if you're on like 1000W and using 14900KS, but to begin with many gamers are on an X800 X3D chip these (especially anyone that's that's actually purchasing one of these) days and those are incredibly power efficient. Even the 9800X3D is only 120W TDP. Definitely an overblown concern, even if it ends up being a 600W part. Now, 800W and below is where you'll have issues.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/K2VpKq

A full 4090 system (literally me just taking random crap and throwing it into the bin to gauge TDP, ignore the actual part choices) with a 9800X3D is 727W TDP. Add 150W to the GPU and you're at 877W. 1000W should be fine unless you lift power limits quite drastically. 1200W should be absolutely no issue unless you do something pretty exotic.
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Depending on Quality the 1000 watt my be a bit stressed but your right it should work.
 
Elios said:
im going to hold on to my 12900k its not slow and not much even comes close to maxing it out really. worst case ill throw cheap 14gen (YES I KNOW) at it down the road. likely ill move DDR5 first and 64GB of ram in the spring time would be next move if any thing
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yeah I think my 13700kf (essentially the same cpu) is good for a 5090 too...

I was teetering on the idea of a 14900kf though.. the 13700kf is def no slouch but the clock speed jump on the 14900kf might be worth it... and upgrade my seven year old AIO while at it.. then ride that for a long while with a 5090.
 
Dan_D said:
I'm going to get a new motherboard and processor. That's about all I'm going to do. I'll have to get a different water block for the CPU as I'm going to go with the 9800X3D. Aside from that, I'm keeping everything else. As for whether I'll go with the 5080 or 5090, it will really depend on how far apart they are specs wise and what the prices are.

I'm rocking a 3090 and its showing its age.
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Yup. 3090 is starting to struggle on the G9 - although I think I'm going to ditch water this time around and go back to air, since my gaming box is the only one on water and I ~hate~ swapping coolers on and off of cards (and lets be honest; ain't no one buying old water blocks for GPUs generally). Debating on going 9800X3D, or going ahead and getting "best of the best" on both and getting the 9950X3D since that box sometimes does LLM work and other stuff that can use the cores.
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I agree the 3090 is starting to show its age. Got my CPU upgraded, Just waiting on the 5090 now.
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Heh.
Dan_D said:
Saying we can't talk about the politics that make games crap is absurd. It's fundamental to the discussion. (I couldn't help myself.)

Except that in the case of a video card, the cost isn't necessarily a fundamental part of the discussion. This thread is intended to discuss the card's actual performance and overclocking for people who intend to buy the card. Ferrari owners, Raptor R owners, or even Corvette ZR1 owners do not sit there and discuss price because they already know that the costs are well beyond that of normal cars and trucks. Value is subjective and this isn't a price discussion. What many of you don't seem to understand is that while price/performance is king for some, for enthusiasts it isn't necessarily part of the decision to buy such things. Enthusiasts for anything are a different breed. Some of us buy the absolute fastest hardware money can buy and the price is basically irrelevant.

This is [H]ardOCP, not [F]rugalOCP. There are plenty of other threads where price is part of the discussion.
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~looks at the ZL1 in the garage~ Ayup. I do main systems every 4-5 years. The cost isn't that significant over that timeframe. I got my 3090 in 2020. I'll end up getting the 5090 in early 2025. Almost 5 years for $1800, which means I'm <$400 a year for this, and that's BEFORE it goes on to my wife who gets the secondary systems for another 2-4 years.
 
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