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Valve Steam Machine, SteamOS Desktop, Steam Frame VR and Steam Controller

Bobert said:
Those near a Micro Center might be interested:
https://www.microcenter.com/product/708800/powerspec-g533-gaming-pc
  • AMD Ryzen 5 7500X3D (4.0GHz) Processor
  • MSI PRO B850M-VC WiFi Motherboard
  • 16GB DDR5-6000 RAM
  • AMD Radeon RX 9060 XT Graphics Card (16GB)
  • 1TB NVMe SSD
  • 5GbE LAN, WiFi 6E (802.11ax), Bluetooth 5.3
  • Windows 11 Home
Would run circles around Gabe Cube. Install SteamOS, CachyOS or Bazzite and would be good to go. $1,199.99
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This is a damn good spec. I would get rid of Windows but yeah. This is a good deal considering where we are with PC prices.
 
Valve wants everyone to make a SM clone. Your local Mum & Pops, your stupid uncle and your cousin who have a tech channel and big standard PC builder corps. Beat the spec, beat the price, have rock bottom margins. Valve loves it all. The just introduced a mid low gaming spec that if met or exceeded you are golden when you want to play games that are clearly marked and optimized for it.. If you buy their overpriced hardware they are happy. But really don't care. They have set a standard and will sell tons of controllers and games for every clone that buys into it.
 
I have no idea how many of these will sell but I can tell you this. I did not join the waiting list for one until several days after they went on sale and I just got the email to buy one. It was for the basic 512GB model.
 
You said you don't want it at all & just wanted to scam / scalp people, so I hope your inner drive took you in a more virtuous direction vs being "that guy".
 
usa all day said:
You said you don't want it at all & just wanted to scam / scalp people, so I hope your inner drive took you in a more virtuous direction vs being "that guy".
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Good grief we talked about this before, it was not serious.

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Here is my post

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MikeTrike said:
For $500, $700, $1000? Depends on your current economic status.
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Retired and making 6 figures
MikeTrike said:
Not worth the time, I've got better stupid ideas to execute on.
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My thoughts exactly but I had a momentary impulse to make some free money on some sap, but the motivation has passed.
 
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"We" didn't talk about it - you were just spitting on MikeTrike

You replied to me with some other garbage about making a quick $1K or $1.5K off of morons.

I don't have your quote / link because I usually just scroll right past you & DGAF RN to look up your past BS.
 
usa all day said:
"We" didn't talk about it - you were just spitting on MikeTrike

You replied to me with some other garbage about making a quick $1K or $1.5K off of morons.

I don't have your quote / link because I usually just scroll right past you & DGAF RN to look up your past BS.
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I was not being serious.
 
rinaldo00 said:
I was not being serious.
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You said this in what looked to me to be a serious back & forth with a few other people.

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The smiley is usually used to illustrate undetectable humor or /s for veiled sarcasm.

I'm still glad to hear you aren't going to be "that guy" & scalp people. :D
 
Scalpers only survive and thrive because people are foolishly willing to pay it.
Like the old saying "They know the price of everything but the value of nothing"
 
mullet said:
"They know the price of everything but the value of nothing"
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Can't believe anyone saw that!

This phrase originates from Oscar Wilde, appearing in his 1892 play Lady Windermere's Fan and his novel The Picture of Dorian Gray.

In the play, the character Lord Darlington defines a cynic as "a man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing."

The quote contrasts price (measurable, monetary cost) with value (intrinsic, emotional, or moral worth).

It critiques a materialistic worldview where individuals are obsessed with market costs and superficial appearances but fail to recognize the true significance of relationships, art, or ethical principles.

The sentiment remains widely cited today to describe people who prioritize financial metrics over genuine meaning or human connection.
 
usa all day said:
Youtube reactions are a huge clickbait mix of ~ I HATE IT vs I LOVE IT & DIY

The good, bad and ugly of capitalism & consumerism.
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That's because reviewers are stuck between making Valve happy which benefits them, and making their audience happy. Problem is, the audience isn't happy. Who's exited for a GabeCube that costs more than a PS5 Pro, and more than a comparably priced home built PC, and still doesn't come with a controller? Not to mention the performance is roughly equal to that of a PS5.

Maybe if the GabeCube came with a cut down Strix Halo and included a controller, then I could maybe justify the cost. Better yet, if it came with a Ryzen AI 370, but with a significantly lower price tag. The Ryzen AI 370 wouldn't be faster than a PS5, but that's not the point of a console. Consoles should be relatively cheap and easy to use. A price of over $1k should be a huge failure for the GabeCube, and yet the thing sells 12k to 15k per week. Da fuck is wrong with people? As a PC Master Racist I'm telling people to buy a PS5 over the GabeCube. You can even mod the PS5 and fill it with free games, along with running Linux.
 
I can personally say, people like toys. I don't expect me to prefer gaming on it over my main (9700xsd + 5090) or my backup ( might be close, 5900xt plus B580). It's just a thing that is fascinating ( I actually bought a BC-250 and it's running steamos as my toy before getting the email from valve).

That and I have some very weird things I want to do on it.
 
DukenukemX said:
That's because reviewers are stuck between making Valve happy which benefits them, and making their audience happy. Problem is, the audience isn't happy. Who's exited for a GabeCube that costs more than a PS5 Pro, and more than a comparably priced home built PC, and still doesn't come with a controller? Not to mention the performance is roughly equal to that of a PS5.
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The inability of it to match other PCs is the biggest issue to me. Like I get it: Consoles are subsidized and Valve doesn't want to do that. You can argue they should, I mean Steam takes a big cut, maybe they should subsidize it with that but it is fine that they aren't. But when you can go to Best Buy and get a better computer for less? Nah man, that's just fucked up. They should be able to match what other brands, who are for sure not subsidizing their hardware, can do.

There's enough fanboys they aren't going to lose money on the project, but I just can't see recommending one to anybody.

However, I won't tell the fanboys not to buy a toy if they want it. I buy plenty of toys I don't need.
 
Sycraft said:
The inability of it to match other PCs is the biggest issue to me. Like I get it: Consoles are subsidized and Valve doesn't want to do that. You can argue they should, I mean Steam takes a big cut, maybe they should subsidize it with that but it is fine that they aren't. But when you can go to Best Buy and get a better computer for less? Nah man, that's just fucked up. They should be able to match what other brands, who are for sure not subsidizing their hardware, can do.
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It's not even desktop hardware, but 4 year old laptop hardware. The 6 core Zen4 has only two full cores. The RX 7600 is not even running on full compute cores. Yea DDR5 is expensive, but not enough to make the GabeCube over $1k.
There's enough fanboys they aren't going to lose money on the project, but I just can't see recommending one to anybody.

However, I won't tell the fanboys not to buy a toy if they want it. I buy plenty of toys I don't need.
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I'm thinking scalpers and people who think this will be a valuable item in the future.
 
DukenukemX said:
It's not even desktop hardware, but 4 year old laptop hardware. The 6 core Zen4 has only two full cores. The RX 7600 is not even running on full compute cores. Yea DDR5 is expensive, but not enough to make the GabeCube over $1k.
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The old hardware is another issue I have with it. If you are going to work with a company to do a semi-custom setup, it should be designed for their latest hardware when it comes out. You see that with consoles all the time. When they start development, the hardware they are targeting doesn't exist yet they are working with AMD on what the future hardware will be so that when they do release, it is current.

If it was an RDNA 4 system it would still probably be too expensive, but it would be a better value proposition.
 
Sycraft said:
The old hardware is another issue I have with it. If you are going to work with a company to do a semi-custom setup, it should be designed for their latest hardware when it comes out. You see that with consoles all the time. When they start development, the hardware they are targeting doesn't exist yet they are working with AMD on what the future hardware will be so that when they do release, it is current.

If it was an RDNA 4 system it would still probably be too expensive, but it would be a better value proposition.
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AMD is still Valve's #1 choice because their other choices are... crap. Intel won't lower prices, plus their Linux drivers are not as good as AMD's. Nvidia would mean ARM which would also mean lower performance compared to PS5, and the same goes for Qualcomm. What it seems to me is that AMD wasn't willing to work with Valve to make custom cheap hardware like they did with the Steam Deck. There's no reason to have a separate GPU and CPU in a system that doesn't even have a PCIe slot. It increases cost, but that would imply that this was likely the cheapest option for Valve. Something like Strix Halo but cut down to reduce cost would make a lot more sense. It's likely that Valve has actually tried to work with AMD and were told to kick rocks. Makes me think that AMD is as responsible for this $1k GabeCube as much as Valve is.
 
I'm wondering if // guessing that Valve expected PC parts makers to jump all over this & bang out cube cases with a lunch box handle or side indents for easy carry & soft sided carry cases so gamers can pick it up & go to grandmas with the kids.

PC parts makers may still jump on the tiny mobo format w/ standard sockets, functional heatsinks, annnnnnnd... BOOM!

No supply for "unobtanium" parts NVME, SSD, RAM, GPU's & VRAM...

I love the form factor (I want a lunchbox handle & carry bag too like my old Shuttle Anniversary case).

Yeah - as it was released - it is weak sauce - but is the OS a game changer?

Will the GabeBox start a trend?

I think it would if Ai wasn't consuming all the hardware & consumers can't get any parts at competitive prices vs supply demand gouging.

We're All Wrong About The Steam Machine

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xF6MKcpiDB0
 
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DukenukemX said:
There's no reason to have a separate GPU and CPU in a system that doesn't even have a PCIe slot. It increases cost, but that would imply that this was likely the cheapest option for Valve.
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one possible reason it that it let you use gddr and ddr, they still went very low 128 bits bandwith at 288 GB/s, so not really faster than a 256 bit LPDDR alternative. so-dimm made them agile to decide system memory quantity and spec until last minute I suppose.

Could have just been cheaper to go to small heatsink, no complex substrate for packaging.

To make a something fancy quite custom, that would have been a big ask, you need to promise giant volume in exchange like a Sony do, even the next Xbox seem to not able to do this anymore, extremely costly upfront that need to be amortized over large volume if you are not willing to pay for the dev yourself (which would be a very dangerous way to do things, AMD would milk it for sure).

I suspect that can simply be it, there was not an gpu big enough APU available if you do not go for the giant strix halo, they could have made a cheaper per unit solution but at a too high upfront cost to be worth the low volume they expected to make.

Strix point was too small, halo too big and expensive, makign a new one quite expensive (200 millions to be amortizied on only 2-4 millions units is a lot).
 
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Loaded steamos on my tvbox/mini pc and so far its been pretty slick, got an xbox controller today and everything is working pretty good so far.. I had to run a cmd to get past the network portion of the welcome setup page (that took me to desktop mode), got the network card going in the os and was off to the races.

This is the steps to take if you get stuck on the network page. This will take you to desktop mode.
  1. Hit ctrl+alt+f4
  2. "Deck" as user
  3. Cmd is "steamos-session-select plasma-wayland-persistent"
  4. Enter
 
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Sycraft said:
The old hardware is another issue I have with it. If you are going to work with a company to do a semi-custom setup, it should be designed for their latest hardware when it comes out. You see that with consoles all the time. When they start development, the hardware they are targeting doesn't exist yet they are working with AMD on what the future hardware will be so that when they do release, it is current.

If it was an RDNA 4 system it would still probably be too expensive, but it would be a better value proposition.
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Not really.
PS5 is RDNA 1.5, not fully RDNA 2 because some features were cut and released 6 days before RDNA2 PC GPU's came out.
Hell even the PS5 Pro is RDNA 2.5 and released AFTER RDNA3 PC GPU's were out.

Facts do not agree with you.
 
usa all day said:
I'm wondering if // guessing that Valve expected PC parts makers to jump all over this & bang out cube cases with a lunch box handle or side indents for easy carry & soft sided carry cases so gamers can pick it up & go to grandmas with the kids.

PC parts makers may still jump on the tiny mobo format w/ standard sockets, functional heatsinks, annnnnnnd... BOOM!

No supply for "unobtanium" parts NVME, SSD, RAM, GPU's & VRAM...

I love the form factor (I want a lunchbox handle & carry bag too like my old Shuttle Anniversary case).

Yeah - as it was released - it is weak sauce - but is the OS a game changer?

Will the GabeBox start a trend?

I think it would if Ai wasn't consuming all the hardware & consumers can't get any parts at competitive prices vs supply demand gouging.

We're All Wrong About The Steam Machine

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xF6MKcpiDB0
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Valve wins in either case, if you build yourself and install SteamOS, Bazzite, CachyOS or any distro that can boot into Steam or buy the Steam Machine. :)

This guy gets it though. Reviewers are correct its underpowered compared to X and Y, price to performance and such. Same as many in this thread. But its not as absolute as numbers say. This is for the living room, to make it comfortable to play PC games on a sofa without it being an eyesore or earsore. Like all the other consoles you can buy, nowhere does it says it HAS to play ALL games now and in the future. For many, a small miniPC with an APU is sufficient. Like a docked Steam Deck or Nintendo Switch, it needs to play enough titles you wish to play at "good enough" settings to enjoy them.

Considering the amount of PC games that now runs well under Linux largely (but not only) thanks to Valve and its backwards compatibility, the selection is better then any of the major consoles of today and most likely in the future too. Not to mention that you can access games from many game stores, even all the free games from Epic you might have accepted. You can get DRM free games from GOG and not have to worry about the console maker pulling a "you dont own the games you buy" and remove all your previous purchases or make them unavailable in a firmware update.

Personally, I source for parts, find out what works well together under Linux and enjoy building my own living room PC. Besides the fun I have building it, I enjoy coming home, turning on my living room PC and just play games. No need to wait for Windows update after reboot. No maintenance looking for different drivers for different hardware in the PC. Linux takes care of that. I also have a living room where a Fractal Design North XL fits in well. I can crank up settings more, its more future proof and all that. Still I can see the appeal of Steam Machine.

A small box that fits into most living room.
Emulation powerhouse.
Can play a VERY large collection of good games at settings that will be "good enough" for most people to enjoy the game.
Turn-key solution.
Quiet.
Low power consumption.
Excellent controller.
Can swap sd cards with Steam Deck for those that have that.
Lots of QOL features (HDMI CEC, fast resume of game, single point update and more).

Its expensive to be a desktop replacement, but as a living room PC, there are more factors to consider and the guy in that video from Craft Computing explained that well. :)
I can understand the appeal, even though I prefer to build myself for fun and for even more money. The Steam Machine would probably cover my usecase afterwards ...
 
Tamlin_WSGF said:
Valve wins in either case, if you build yourself and install SteamOS, Bazzite, CachyOS or any distro that can boot into Steam or buy the Steam Machine. :)

This guy gets it though. Reviewers are correct its underpowered compared to X and Y, price to performance and such. Same as many in this thread. But its not as absolute as numbers say. This is for the living room, to make it comfortable to play PC games on a sofa without it being an eyesore or earsore. Like all the other consoles you can buy, nowhere does it says it HAS to play ALL games now and in the future. For many, a small miniPC with an APU is sufficient. Like a docked Steam Deck or Nintendo Switch, it needs to play enough titles you wish to play at "good enough" settings to enjoy them.
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I don't get the "eyesore or earsore" thing personally. My full tower gaming computer is right under my TV tucked into the entertainment unit (shelves removed). Literally the only thing in the entertainment unit is the gaming PC, the UPS, and the subwoofer. The soundbar sits on top and the TV is attached to the stand above the unit. Nobody has ever said anything about the noise or appearance. Unless you're running a bleedin wind-tunnel to OC stuff the fans are pretty damned quiet. It isn't like the days of the boring beige case sitting on the floor. There are easy ways to make a gaming PC slot into your living room without issue.
 
Ididar said:
I don't get the "eyesore or earsore" thing personally. My full tower gaming computer is right under my TV tucked into the entertainment unit (shelves removed). Literally the only thing in the entertainment unit is the gaming PC, the UPS, and the subwoofer. The soundbar sits on top and the TV is attached to the stand above the unit. Nobody has ever said anything about the noise or appearance. Unless you're running a bleedin wind-tunnel to OC stuff the fans are pretty damned quiet. It isn't like the days of the boring beige case sitting on the floor. There are easy ways to make a gaming PC slot into your living room without issue.
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Many have their living room in a certain style. Some even hide all types of cables. A PC case can often stand out and break with the rest of the decoration in the living room as something that does not belong there. As mentioned, in my living room, I use a Fractal Design North XL and it fits in nicely. However, that case, even though its stylish itself, can be an eyesore in how others have decorated their living room. Many PC components, especially if going on a budget, can be noisy. Even more so if you build a small form factor living room PC.

That said, subjective opinions like taste and what they consider noise can differ and I totally agree that a full tower gaming computer can fit very well in some styles in the living room according to my own taste. Especially when it looks planned. :)

The size and build (with replaceable fronts) of the Steam Machine however, makes it more suitable to tuck away in more living rooms that most other living room PCs and even consoles. I think you will agree on that. :)
 
Tamlin_WSGF said:
Many have their living room in a certain style. Some even hide all types of cables. A PC case can often stand out and break with the rest of the decoration in the living room as something that does not belong there. As mentioned, in my living room, I use a Fractal Design North XL and it fits in nicely. However, that case, even though its stylish itself, can be an eyesore in how others have decorated their living room. Many PC components, especially if going on a budget, can be noisy. Even more so if you build a small form factor living room PC.

That said, subjective opinions like taste and what they consider noise can differ and I totally agree that a full tower gaming computer can fit very well in some styles in the living room according to my own taste. Especially when it looks planned. :)

The size and build (with replaceable fronts) of the Steam Machine however, makes it more suitable to tuck away in more living rooms that most other living room PCs and even consoles. I think you will agree on that. :)
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Fair point. I just think it is so easy to make it work that I would never bother buying a whole other machine to do it. But, to each their own.
 
Ididar said:
I don't get the "eyesore or earsore" thing personally. My full tower gaming computer is right under my TV tucked into the entertainment unit (shelves removed). Literally the only thing in the entertainment unit is the gaming PC, the UPS, and the subwoofer. The soundbar sits on top and the TV is attached to the stand above the unit. Nobody has ever said anything about the noise or appearance. Unless you're running a bleedin wind-tunnel to OC stuff the fans are pretty damned quiet. It isn't like the days of the boring beige case sitting on the floor. There are easy ways to make a gaming PC slot into your living room without issue.
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It's true that you can integrate a tower into the living room if you're careful; it's just that it's not always an option, and there are advantages to having a compact computer (say, more room for other devices or decor).
 
Aurelius said:
It's true that you can integrate a tower into the living room if you're careful; it's just that it's not always an option, and there are advantages to having a compact computer (say, more room for other devices or decor).
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People have been using these things called 'HTPC cases' to put computers in the living room since long ago in the before-fore times
 
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Tamlin_WSGF said:
Many have their living room in a certain style. Some even hide all types of cables. A PC case can often stand out and break with the rest of the decoration in the living room as something that does not belong there. As mentioned, in my living room, I use a Fractal Design North XL and it fits in nicely. However, that case, even though its stylish itself, can be an eyesore in how others have decorated their living room. Many PC components, especially if going on a budget, can be noisy. Even more so if you build a small form factor living room PC.

That said, subjective opinions like taste and what they consider noise can differ and I totally agree that a full tower gaming computer can fit very well in some styles in the living room according to my own taste. Especially when it looks planned. :)

The size and build (with replaceable fronts) of the Steam Machine however, makes it more suitable to tuck away in more living rooms that most other living room PCs and even consoles. I think you will agree on that. :)
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The good thing about PCs is that you can build them as big and small as you want, and even put quiet fans in them.
Ididar said:
I don't get the "eyesore or earsore" thing personally. My full tower gaming computer is right under my TV tucked into the entertainment unit (shelves removed). Literally the only thing in the entertainment unit is the gaming PC, the UPS, and the subwoofer. The soundbar sits on top and the TV is attached to the stand above the unit. Nobody has ever said anything about the noise or appearance. Unless you're running a bleedin wind-tunnel to OC stuff the fans are pretty damned quiet. It isn't like the days of the boring beige case sitting on the floor. There are easy ways to make a gaming PC slot into your living room without issue.
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There was a time when a SNES in the living room was ugly, but today it's a sign of beauty. Many people hate the way the US SNES looks, but I prefer it. Some people like their computers to be an RGB light show and others don't. Again, you can build the PC however you want if it doesn't match the style of your living room.
 
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