all in on Linux as my main OS

[CaffeineMan]

There is an option to show in groups, I have it unticked.

I also have it unchecked in windows but when ever I can't find what I am looking for either in DL or my docs. It is checked, just stay unchecked windows.

Fyi as suspected playing steam games from a bazitte mini pc streaming from my gaming pc was flawless.(not a professional gamer) if anyone is interested I could try my primary fps game and test. Tomorrow's test is plugging in my trusty "driverless" USB wifi adapter.

 

[Nobu]

I also have it unchecked in windows but when ever I can't find what I am looking for either in DL or my docs. It is checked, just stay unchecked windows.

Fyi as suspected playing steam games from a bazitte mini pc streaming from my gaming pc was flawless.(not a professional gamer) if anyone is interested I could try my primary fps game and test. Tomorrow's test is plugging in my trusty "driverless" USB wifi adapter.

Problem with some USB wifi adapters is they need to be switched from mass storage mode before they can be used. That's usually done by the driver, so often they can be a pain to use on Linux (although supposedly it's better now -- I've more or less sworn off usb wifi devices). Hopefully yours just works...

 

[Mazzspeed]

I also have it unchecked in windows but when ever I can't find what I am looking for either in DL or my docs. It is checked, just stay unchecked windows.

Fyi as suspected playing steam games from a bazitte mini pc streaming from my gaming pc was flawless.(not a professional gamer) if anyone is interested I could try my primary fps game and test. Tomorrow's test is plugging in my trusty "driverless" USB wifi adapter.

If it's Realtek based, good luck - you'll need it. Blame Realtek.

 

[ChadD]

If it's Realtek based, good luck - you'll need it. Blame Realtek.

It is slowly slowly slowly getting better.
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-7.0-Staging
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Realtek-RTL8159-Linux-7.2
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Realtek-RTL8125D-Rev-B-Linux

The truth is Realtek has Linux developers, and do support their hardware. They submit drivers to the kernel team as frequently as everyone else. The issue is they made a bunch of cheapass mostly shit chips that have been put in a lot of third party USB dongle type things that were not always implemented well, properly or as intended. A lot of their most recent stuff works just fine.
Its all those cheap iffy wifi chips they sold a decade ago like the 8111 that sullied their reputation. Some of that stuff stuck around for years, and was still being put on cheap mother boards, and laptop wifi pci boards and stuff.
Considering the state of ethernet hardware, intel being out of the game. The most recent Realtek stuff compares well.

https://www.realtek.com/Download/List?cate_id=584
You don't have to download drivers obviously. But Realtek has done imho a pretty good job directly supporting their newer network stuff since about kernel 6.12 or so onward.
Still some of that old 5 year old realtek stuff that is still around in cheap crap can be a real pita.

 

[Mazzspeed]

It is slowly slowly slowly getting better.
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-7.0-Staging
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Realtek-RTL8159-Linux-7.2
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Realtek-RTL8125D-Rev-B-Linux

The truth is Realtek has Linux developers, and do support their hardware. They submit drivers to the kernel team as frequently as everyone else. The issue is they made a bunch of cheapass mostly shit chips that have been put in a lot of third party USB dongle type things that were not always implemented well, properly or as intended. A lot of their most recent stuff works just fine.
Its all those cheap iffy wifi chips they sold a decade ago like the 8111 that sullied their reputation. Some of that stuff stuck around for years, and was still being put on cheap mother boards, and laptop wifi pci boards and stuff.
Considering the state of ethernet hardware, intel being out of the game. The most recent Realtek stuff compares well.

https://www.realtek.com/Download/List?cate_id=584
You don't have to download drivers obviously. But Realtek has done imho a pretty good job directly supporting their newer network stuff since about kernel 6.12 or so onward.
Still some of that old 5 year old realtek stuff that is still around in cheap crap can be a real pita.

I see no signs Intel are pulling back on support of their remotely recent Ethernet chipset drivers any time soon, especially if they want to retain some hold on the enterprise server market. In relation to Realtek under Linux, it's been some time since I touched Realtek products due to their notorious problems in the past, it's good to see they're trying to actively support Linux now as opposed to Linux devs reverse engineering Windows drivers for use with the Linux kernel which I'm fairly certain was the case back in about 2016 last time I touched their hardware.

Broadcom were another vendor from memory with spotty Linux support in the past, I believe the Broadcom situation may be improving also.

As for Intel, I've used nothing but Intel Networking devices since 2016 (after having issue with Broadcom devices) and have never encountered a single problem - they're the most trouble free and best networking adapters I've used to date.

 

[ChadD]

I see no signs Intel are pulling back on support of their remotely recent Ethernet chipset drivers any time soon, especially if they want to retain some hold on the enterprise server market. In relation to Realtek under Linux, it's been some time since I touched Realtek products due to their notorious problems in the past, it's good to see they're trying to actively support Linux now as opposed to Linux devs reverse engineering Windows drivers for use with the Linux kernel which I'm fairly certain was the case back in about 2016 last time I touched their hardware.

Broadcom were another vendor from memory with spotty Linux support in the past, I believe the Broadcom situation may be improving also.

As for Intel, I've used nothing but Intel Networking devices since 2016 (after having issue with Broadcom devices) and have never encountered a single problem - they're the most trouble free and best networking adapters I've used to date.

I have Intel cards myself. Intel is just in a odd place right now. I'm sure it will be fine. Intel spun off their network division. Then went back and forth on selling off their networking division last year. I believe now they have decided to not sell the division. They have cancelled much of their consumer grade hardware though. The latest Intel consumer network cards are not actually Intel, things like Intel killer are actually realtek parts.

Anyway network hardware is mostly all in a good place in terms of Linux support. Even with Realtek the real "realtek" sucks stuff all stems from a handful of LOW end wi fi bits that were shoved into everything mid range and down for a few years. I haven't read any issues with anything current from them (or broadcom).

Intel has been solid for years. I used to just know if I saw Intel Nic on a MOBO or something it was going to be 100% fine. As things are now I'm not that confident. Before buying any non Intel nic I would research and ensure drivers were solid and maintained. I think at this point I would be in the same boat on Intel hardware.

https://www.phoronix.com/news/Intel-Killer-E5000-Linux-6.15
"The Intel Killer E5000 turns out to be just a re-branded Realtek RTL8126 5GbE Ethernet adapter."
Intel recently has had their issues... including selling consumer hardware that is infact Realtek.

This is hilariously exactly why Realtek gets a bad name. The RTL8126 has been supported by the kernel for awhile. Though they sell the parts to companies like Intel that tack on their own bits and features and the Frankenstein doesn't always behave. In Intels case... ya its Intel they'll fix. Its that those realtek bits like the 8126 end up in X or Y OEM machine or some Chinese brand, and if the default Realtek driver doesn't work with it your sort of screwed.

 

[DogsofJune]

One of the reasons I chose to run Windows on a z890 board is the "Intel" 5g built in. Realtek in disguise.

However, I have had mostly some success with realtek and Linux. It's been a gamble most times.

 

[Mazzspeed]

Intel I219-V FTW. Had it on two boards now, and it's never given me a moments trouble under Linux. Funnily enough, I've had more problems with WiFi adapters under Windows than I have with WiFi adapters under Linux - as a result of a certain Windows update, many WiFi/BT adapters simply disappeared from device manager altogether and in a number of cases it wasn't as simple as a driver issue. It was like the adapters firmware was corrupted to the point it became no longer visible to the OS.

 

[Vengance_01]

An update, I ran back to windows but I have completely change my entire family setup. Kids are on Intel N100 systems running Batocera.linux in Kiosk mode running back to a win 11 VDI image.(moonlight and sunshine with 8GB Virtual slice on a phyiscal Intel B50 Pro. My wife's old computer is now my main desktop. (which was my old main system) ITX, 5700 x3d, 32GB Ram and Intel B580. Now I am debating to sell my daughters old PC ITX 5500, 16GB ram and a GTX 1660 for another N100 mini PC (N100, 12GB ram and 512GB SSD) and allow the wife to run native Windows desktop locally on the N100. She would have a dedicated VDI Host for gaming only. Then upgrade my ProxMox host to an Intel B60 Pro with 24GB vram and slice it into 4 6GB cards. 3 would goto the Windows VDI desktops with the 4th going to plex LXC for transcoding. Server has a 5900XT 128GB ECC Ram, 32GB Intel Optane for ProxMox to boot, a 1TB 960GB Micron 7450 PRO Gen4 x4 M.2 M22110 drive as my main High preformance drive. I have a Dell 1.92TB Dell SATA Enterprise disk for containers, backups, and other services.

 

[CrimsonKnight13]

An update, I ran back to windows but I have completely change my entire family setup. Kids are on Intel N100 systems running Batocera.linux in Kiosk mode running back to a win 11 VDI image.(moonlight and sunshine with 8GB Virtual slice on a phyiscal Intel B50 Pro. My wife's old computer is now my main desktop. (which was my old main system) ITX, 5700 x3d, 32GB Ram and Intel B580. Now I am debating to sell my daughters old PC ITX 5500, 16GB ram and a GTX 1660 for another N100 mini PC (N100, 12GB ram and 512GB SSD) and allow the wife to run native Windows desktop locally on the N100. She would have a dedicated VDI Host for gaming only. Then upgrade my ProxMox host to an Intel B60 Pro with 24GB vram and slice it into 4 6GB cards. 3 would goto the Windows VDI desktops with the 4th going to plex LXC for transcoding. Server has a 5900XT 128GB ECC Ram, 32GB Intel Optane for ProxMox to boot, a 1TB 960GB Micron 7450 PRO Gen4 x4 M.2 M22110 drive as my main High preformance drive. I have a Dell 1.92TB Dell SATA Enterprise disk for containers, backups, and other services.