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AI's Water and Electricity Use Soars In 2026

you2 said:
So in the effort to improve our lives with AI we destroy our lives by using up all the available drinking water to cool the data centers run via AI (ignoring the impact on the electrical grid). Sounds like a solid plan to myself (areas of unregulated Texas and Arizona face severe crunch for water and electricity despite accepting new data centers).
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TBF, you could argue most aspects of keeping us in the comfort of living the way we do destroys lives... just not ours, as we managed to outsource our destruction to other parts of the world.

AI datacenters are different though, there's very few benefits to outsourcing their construction to foreign lands, by virtue they don't exactly need a cheap workforce to keep them going, and the cost of electricity isnt that much cheaper if it is even cheaper at all, to offset the stability of having power constant.
 
mullet said:
They are going to have to learn how to store water and recycle it.
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And cool it as that's the biggest issue. The upside to using water as a thermal transportation system is a downside when you need to reuse said water to continue to cool. Probably need to use even more power just to cool it making the problem worse. There's a reason manatees crowd around power plant output flows during harsh Florida winters.

But who knows, maybe we should stop living by the mantra "the solution to the pollution is dilution" and learn to clean/cool stuff off before it heads out into the environment
 
cpufrost said:
Large cooling ponds and cooling tower drift collection helps but adds a significant startup cost.
WLW AM used cooling ponds back in the 1930s to cool their half megawatt transmitter.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbHjcwIoTiY
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“House Bill 2150, sponsored by Rep. Kyle Mullins (D-Lackawanna) passed 133-68. This bill boosts transparency by establishing annual energy and water reporting requirements for data center facilities. It also requires the state Department of Environmental Protection and Public Utility Commission to jointly issue an annual report on the impacts of data center water and energy use, the release says.

"I stand with the residents of my district in their outrage over the lack of transparency with data center development,” Mullins said.”

https://www.wfmz.com/news/area/penn...cle_8b5e7016-095e-4619-a287-916e35ae2662.html
 

“OpenAI pulls back from Stargate Norway data center deal as Microsoft takes over​

PUBLISHED WED, APR 15 2026 8:29 AM EDT

KEY POINTS
  • OpenAI has abandoned plans to rent compute capacity directly from a data center run by UK AI cloud company Nscale in Norway.
  • Microsoft will take up the spare capacity at the data center. OpenAI said it was in discussions with Microsoft to rent the compute from the company.
  • OpenAI has moved to temper expectations of its spending plans as a potential IPO looms this year.
OpenAI has abandoned plans to rent compute capacity directly from a Norwegian data center, days after confirming it paused a similar project in the U.K.
Microsoft is taking the extra compute previously earmarked for OpenAI at a planned 230MW "Stargate Norway" facility in Narvik. OpenAI is now in discussions to rent capacity from Microsoft instead, a spokesperson for the company told CNBC.“

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/04/15/openai-stargate-norway-project-microsoft.html
 
DukenukemX said:
I'm going to leave this here.

View: https://youtu.be/w-DVTHH1ux8?si=6cXVZcKB35hfPlv7
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Is anyone shocked? Overpromise to drag in the investor money, fire a bunch of people due to "AI efficiencies" and then quietly cancel a lot of the promises that you knew up front you weren't going to be able to pull off. The whole of milking the stock market is a big scheme of false advertising and hoping you can spend the money before they notice that you lied your face off. AI is just the most recent, and one of the bigger, false advertising schemes of tech bros to convince investors to throw money at them so they can line their pockets even more.
 
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“Data Centers Drove Half of U.S. Power Demand Growth in 2025, IEA Says​

By Tsvetana Paraskova - Apr 20, 2026, 7:30 AM CDT

The world's electricity demand rose by 3% in 2025, with growth nearly triple compared to the 1.3% increase in total energy consumption, as data centers and electric vehicles continued to push power use higher, the International Energy Agency (IEA) said on Monday.
Overall global energy demand growth slowed to 1.3% in 2025, slightly below the previous decade's average of 1.4% and significantly lower than in 2024, as global economic growth slowed and cooling demand in Asia was lower than in 2024, the IEA found in its annual Global Energy Review report published today.“

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-...-US-Power-Demand-Growth-in-2025-IEA-Says.html
 

“Using the ocean to power data centers​


There are two global problems you probably don't like to think about. First, burning gas and coal is still heating up the planet. Second, the thousands of AI data centers popping up all over the countryconsume enormous amounts of power, which produces even more carbon pollution – and drives up our electric bills. And as Garth Sheldon-Coulson says, this is not going to stop. "We're still at the beginning of this demand," he said.

Sheldon-Coulson, the CEO and co-founder of Panthalassa, in Vancouver, Wash., hopes to address both problems at once with wave energy. "The ocean is really unlimited in terms of how much energy is available," he said. "It will really be the cheapest energy on the planet."

He likened Panthalassa's test model, the Ocean-2, to a floating hydroelectric dam. "As it goes up and down with the waves, it causes water that's in that tube to be forced up into the top. Once it's in the ball, the water is forced through a turbine. The turbine spins, and that's what makes the electricity."“

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/using-wave-energy-to-power-sea-based-ai-data-centers/
 
erek said:

“Using the ocean to power data centers​


There are two global problems you probably don't like to think about. First, burning gas and coal is still heating up the planet. Second, the thousands of AI data centers popping up all over the countryconsume enormous amounts of power, which produces even more carbon pollution – and drives up our electric bills. And as Garth Sheldon-Coulson says, this is not going to stop. "We're still at the beginning of this demand," he said.

Sheldon-Coulson, the CEO and co-founder of Panthalassa, in Vancouver, Wash., hopes to address both problems at once with wave energy. "The ocean is really unlimited in terms of how much energy is available," he said. "It will really be the cheapest energy on the planet."

He likened Panthalassa's test model, the Ocean-2, to a floating hydroelectric dam. "As it goes up and down with the waves, it causes water that's in that tube to be forced up into the top. Once it's in the ball, the water is forced through a turbine. The turbine spins, and that's what makes the electricity."“

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/using-wave-energy-to-power-sea-based-ai-data-centers/
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Which sort of "credits" will they buy for all the aquatic life they kill?
 
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“New Gas-Powered Data Centers Could Emit More Greenhouse Gases Than Entire Nations​

Anonymous Coward 7 hours ago		36
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Wired: New gas projects linked to just 11 data center campuses around the US have the potential to create more greenhouse gases than the country of Morocco emitted in 2024. Emissions estimates from air permit documents examined by WIRED show that these natural gas projects -- which are being built to power data centers to serve some of the US's most powerful AI companies, including OpenAI, Meta, Microsoft, and xAI -- have the potential to emit more than 129 million tons of greenhouse gases per year. As tech companies race to secure massive power deals to build out hundreds of data centers across the country, these projects represent just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the potential climate cost of the AI boom.

The infrastructure on this list of large natural gas projects reviewed by WIRED is being developed to largely bypass the grid and provide power solely for data centers, a trend known as behind-the-meter power. As data center developers face long waits for connections to traditional utilities, and amid mounting public resistance to the possibility of higher energy bills, making their own power is becoming an increasingly popular option. These projects have either been announced or are under construction, with companies already submitting air permit application materials with state agencies. [...] The emissions projections for the xAI and Microsoft projects, and all the others on WIRED's list, were pulled directly from publicly-available air permit documents in state databases as well as public air permit materials collected by both Cleanview and Oil and Gas Watch, a database maintained by the Environmental Integrity Project, an environmental enforcement nonprofit. Actual greenhouse gas emissions from power plants are usually lower than what's on their air permits. Air permit modeling is based on the scenario of a power plant constantly running at full capacity. That's rarely the reality for grid-connected power plants, as turbines go offline for maintenance or adjust to the ebbs and flows of customer demand.

"Permitted emission numbers represent a theoretical, conservative scenario, not the actual projected emissions," Alex Schott, the director of communications at Williams Companies, an oil and gas company that is building out three behind-the-meter power plants in Ohio for Meta, told WIRED in an email. Internal modeling done by the company, Schott added, shows that actual emissions could be "potentially two-thirds less than what's on paper." The projections involved, however, are still substantial. Even if the actual emissions from these power plants end up being half of the emissions numbers on the permits, they still could create more greenhouse gas emissions than the country of Norway emitted in 2024. This number is, according to the EPA, equivalent to the emissions from more than 153 average-sized natural gas plants. (WIRED's analysis does not include emissions from backup generators and turbines on the data center campuses themselves, which create smaller amounts of emissions.) Energy researcher Jon Koomey says the data center boom has created a shortage of the most efficient gas turbines, pushing some developers toward less efficient models that would need to run longer and produce more emissions. "[Data center operators'] belief is that the value being delivered by the servers is much, much more than the cost of running these inefficient power plants all the time," he said.

Michael Thomas, the founder of clean energy research firm Cleanview, has been tracking gas permits for data centers across the country. He calls behind-the-meter power "a crazy acceleration of emissions." He added: "It's almost like we thought we were on the downside of the Industrial Revolution, retiring coal and gas, and now we have a new hump where we're going to rise. That terrifies me in a lot of ways."”
 

“Community Votes to Deny Water to Nuclear Weapons Data Center​

BeauHD 4 hours ago		52
A Michigan township has voted to impose a one-year moratorium on providing water to hyperscale data centers, a move aimed at delaying a planned facility that would support Los Alamos National Laboratory's nuclear weapons research. The moratorium may not be enough to stop the project, however: "the University and LANL plan to break ground on the data center on Monday," reports 404 Media. From the report: The proposed data center in the Ypsilanti Township's Hydro Park has been a sore spot for the community since its proposal. The $1.2 billion 220,000 square foot facility would be used by Los Alamos National Laboratories (LANL) some 1,500 miles away for nuclear weapons research. In February, UofM's Steven Ceccio told the University of Michigan Record that the facility would consume 500,000 gallons of water per day and that the University planned to buy it from the Ypsilanti Community Utilities Authority. (YCUA)

The YCUA has spent the past month lobbying for a moratorium on providing water and sewer access to hyperscale data centers and "artificial intelligence computing facilities," according to notes on a presentation stored on the organization's website. The moratorium would include LANL's data center. The YCUA cited an American Water Works Association white paper about data center water demands and concluded it needed more time to investigate the matter. "Hyper-scale data centers, as well as other mid-sized data centers, artificial intelligence computing facilities, and high-performance computational centers are 'high-impact customers' for water and sewer utilities," YCUA said in its presentation.

The moratorium places a 12-month stop on serving water to data centers while the YCUA conducts a long-term water supply analysis and looks into the environmental sustainability studies. "During the 12-month moratorium period, the Authority will refrain from executing any capacity reservation agreement." This is a delay tactic on the part of a Township that does not want to see the data center constructed. Many in the community have strong feelings about the use of parkland for a facility that researchers nuclear weapons. Beyond the moral and ethical concerns, some are worried about becoming targets in a war. Last month, Township attorney Douglas Winters told the Board of Trustees that building hosting the data center would make Ypsilanti Township a "high value target." He pointed to the recent bombing of Gulf Coast data centers by Iran as evidence.”
 

“Maine Governor Vetoes Data Center Moratorium Bill​

from the bad-for-business dept.
Maine Gov. Janet Mills vetoed a bill that would have imposed the nation's first statewide moratorium on new data centers, saying she supported the idea in principle but would not block a major redevelopment project tied to jobs and local investment. Instead, she said she will create a council to study data centers' effects while also signing a separate measure to deny them certain state tax incentives. Politico reports: "After prior redevelopment efforts failed, the Town of Jay worked for two years on a $550 million data center redevelopment project to finally bring jobs and investment back to the mill site," Mills wrote, adding that she would issue an executive order establishing a council to examine the impact of data centers in Maine.

The legislation would have made Maine the first state to block the construction of new data centers, as both political parties grapple with how voters view them ahead of the midterm elections. In a statement accompanying the letter, the governor said she had signed a separate bill that would prohibit data center projects from receiving Maine's business development tax incentive programs”
https://yro.slashdot.org/story/26/04/24/2357254/maine-governor-vetoes-data-center-moratorium-bill
 
erek said:

“Maine Governor Vetoes Data Center Moratorium Bill​

from the bad-for-business dept.
Maine Gov. Janet Mills vetoed a bill that would have imposed the nation's first statewide moratorium on new data centers, saying she supported the idea in principle but would not block a major redevelopment project tied to jobs and local investment. Instead, she said she will create a council to study data centers' effects while also signing a separate measure to deny them certain state tax incentives. Politico reports: "After prior redevelopment efforts failed, the Town of Jay worked for two years on a $550 million data center redevelopment project to finally bring jobs and investment back to the mill site," Mills wrote, adding that she would issue an executive order establishing a council to examine the impact of data centers in Maine.

The legislation would have made Maine the first state to block the construction of new data centers, as both political parties grapple with how voters view them ahead of the midterm elections. In a statement accompanying the letter, the governor said she had signed a separate bill that would prohibit data center projects from receiving Maine's business development tax incentive programs”
https://yro.slashdot.org/story/26/04/24/2357254/maine-governor-vetoes-data-center-moratorium-bill
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“As data centers spread in Pa., lawmakers are proposing guardrails. Community activists want a moratorium​

The state legislature is considering bills that would regulate the facilities, but some residents near the sites 'just want to say no.'​

Amazon is building a data center on the Keystone Trade Center campus in Falls Township, Bucks County.

Over the past year, Pennsylvania lawmakers have pushed a flurry of bills aimed at regulating data centers. Their proposed laws would introduce new transparency measures, like mandated reports on energy and water usage, as well as consumer protection guardrails that prevent facility owners from passing construction costs onto the community.
But for some residents, nothing less than a complete halt to development will do.“

https://www.phillyvoice.com/data-centers-pennsylvania-laws/
 

“Utility giant Duke Energy plans to spend industry record $103 billion on growth as data centers and affordability take center stage​

Duke Energy trucks amassed in January at the Charlotte Motor Speedway to help restore power after Winter Storm Fern.DUKE ENERGY


Utility giant Duke Energy may not be a household name, but it sits at the epicenter of the AI data center boom and affordability debate as it plans to spend an industry record of $103 billion for growth over just five years—and CEO Harry Sideris isn’t afraid to say he expects that eye-popping number to grow.”

https://fortune.com/2026/04/25/util...03-billion-growth-data-centers-affordability/
 

“40 Years After the Chernobyl Disaster, More Countries Are Turning To Nuclear Power ​

EditorDavid 3 hours ago		7
An anonymous reader shared this report from the Associated Press: The 1986 Chernobyl disaster fueled global fears about nuclear power and slowed its development in Europe and elsewhere. Four decades later, however, there's a revival around the world, a trend that has been given a big boost by war in the Middle East. Over 400 nuclear reactors are operational in 31 countries, while about 70 more are under construction. Nuclear power accounts for producing about 10% of the world's electricity, equivalent to about a quarter of all sources of low-carbon power.

Nuclear reactors have seen steady improvements, adding more safety features and making them cheaper to build and operate. While Chernobyl and the 2011 Fukushima nuclear disaster in Japan diminished the appetite for such power sources, it was clear years ago that there probably would be a revival, said Fatih Birol, executive director of the International Energy Agency. With the war in the Middle East, "I am 100% sure nuclear is coming back," he added...

The United States is the world's largest producer of nuclear power, with 94 operational reactors accounting for about 30% of global generation of nuclear electricity. And it is increasing efforts to develop nuclear energy capacity with a goal to quadruple it by 2050... China operates 61 nuclear reactors and is leading the world in building new units, with nearly 40 under construction with a goal to surpass the U.S. and become the global leader in nuclear capacity. European Commission chief Ursula von der Leyen has acknowledged that it was Europe's "strategic mistake" to cut nuclear energy and outlined new initiatives to encourage building power plants. [In 1990, nuclear energy accounted for roughly a third of Europe's electricity, the article points out, but it's now only about 15%.] Russia, meanwhile, has taken a strong lead in exporting its nuclear know-how, building 20 reactors worldwide...

Japan has restarted 15 reactors after reviewing the lessons of the earthquake and tsunami that damaged the Fukushima plant, and 10 more are in the process of getting approval to restart. South Africa has the only nuclear power plant on the African continent, although Russia is building one in Egypt, and several other African nations are exploring the technology... With 57 reactors at 19 plants, France relies on nuclear power for nearly 70% of its electricity.
The article includes an interactive graphic that shows the growth in the world's nuclear capacity slowing down soon after the 1986 Chernobyl meltdown — with that capacity broken down by country. But it's still increased by roughly 50%.

Even Ukraine — the site of the accident — now "still relies heavily on nuclear plants to generate about half of its electricity," the article points out. But Germany "switched off its last three nuclear reactors in 2023."”
 

“Data center demand drives 66% surge in natural gas power plant costs​

Tim De Chant
8:27 AM PDT · April 27, 2026
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Tech companies, including Microsoft and Meta, have been falling in love with natural gas lately, rushing to build power plants fed by the fossil fuel to drive their data centers. But their embrace might be a little too tight — the cost to build one of the facilities has spiked 66% in the last two years, according to a new reportfrom BloombergNEF.
While natural gas prices remain low in the U.S. despite the ongoing war in Iran, the price to build a new combined cycle gas turbine (CCGT) power plant has risen from less than $1,500 per kilowatt of generating capacity in 2023 to $2,157 last year, the report said. What’s more, it now takes 23% longer to complete a new facility.”

https://techcrunch.com/2026/04/27/d...es-66-surge-in-natural-gas-power-plant-costs/
 

“GitHub Copilot Is Moving To Usage-Based Billing​

BeauHD an hour ago		6
GitHub said in a blog post today that it is moving Copilot to usage-based billing starting June 1. Base subscription prices will remain the same but premium requests will be replaced with monthly AI Credits that are consumed based on token usage.

"Instead of counting premium requests, every Copilot plan will include a monthly allotment of GitHub AI Credits, with the option for paid plans to purchase additional usage," the platform said. "Usage will be calculated based on token consumption, including input, output, and cached tokens, using the listed API rates for each model. This change aligns Copilot pricing with actual usage and is an important step toward a sustainable, reliable Copilot business and experience for all users."

Documentation for individuals, businesses and enterprises, and an FAQ can be found at their respective links.”
 
erek said:

“40 Years After the Chernobyl Disaster, More Countries Are Turning To Nuclear Power​

EditorDavid 3 hours ago		7
An anonymous reader shared this report from the Associated Press: The 1986 Chernobyl disaster fueled global fears about nuclear power and slowed its development in Europe and elsewhere. Four decades later, however, there's a revival around the world, a trend that has been given a big boost by war in the Middle East. Over 400 nuclear reactors are operational in 31 countries, while about 70 more are under construction. Nuclear power accounts for producing about 10% of the world's electricity, equivalent to about a quarter of all sources of low-carbon power.

Nuclear reactors have seen steady improvements, adding more safety features and making them cheaper to build and operate. While Chernobyl and the 2011 Fukushima nuclear disaster in Japan diminished the appetite for such power sources, it was clear years ago that there probably would be a revival, said Fatih Birol, executive director of the International Energy Agency. With the war in the Middle East, "I am 100% sure nuclear is coming back," he added...

The United States is the world's largest producer of nuclear power, with 94 operational reactors accounting for about 30% of global generation of nuclear electricity. And it is increasing efforts to develop nuclear energy capacity with a goal to quadruple it by 2050... China operates 61 nuclear reactors and is leading the world in building new units, with nearly 40 under construction with a goal to surpass the U.S. and become the global leader in nuclear capacity. European Commission chief Ursula von der Leyen has acknowledged that it was Europe's "strategic mistake" to cut nuclear energy and outlined new initiatives to encourage building power plants. [In 1990, nuclear energy accounted for roughly a third of Europe's electricity, the article points out, but it's now only about 15%.] Russia, meanwhile, has taken a strong lead in exporting its nuclear know-how, building 20 reactors worldwide...

Japan has restarted 15 reactors after reviewing the lessons of the earthquake and tsunami that damaged the Fukushima plant, and 10 more are in the process of getting approval to restart. South Africa has the only nuclear power plant on the African continent, although Russia is building one in Egypt, and several other African nations are exploring the technology... With 57 reactors at 19 plants, France relies on nuclear power for nearly 70% of its electricity.
The article includes an interactive graphic that shows the growth in the world's nuclear capacity slowing down soon after the 1986 Chernobyl meltdown — with that capacity broken down by country. But it's still increased by roughly 50%.

Even Ukraine — the site of the accident — now "still relies heavily on nuclear plants to generate about half of its electricity," the article points out. But Germany "switched off its last three nuclear reactors in 2023."”
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What a headline, it's almost like we've come up with better, safer ways of building nuclear power plants over the last 40 years. Not switching to nuclear is basically national suicide at this point.
 
Decko said:
What a headline, it's almost like we've come up with better, safer ways of building nuclear power plants over the last 40 years. Not switching to nuclear is basically national suicide at this point.
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Have we though? I mean I know the theory is we have, but fundamentally have the actual ones being built are they really that different? Sure different that Chernobyl, but different than ones we built in 1985?

FYI, I am pro nuclear. I'm also pro solar too because I largely make all the power I use
 

“Trump Administration Will Pay More Energy Firms to Cancel Wind Farms​

BeauHD 4 hours ago		55
The Trump administration says it will reimburse energy companies $885 million to cancel two planned offshore wind farms, with the firms in turn agreeing to put money into oil and gas projects instead. "The deals are modeled after a similar agreement last month with the French energy giant TotalEnergies," notes the New York Times. "TotalEnergies forfeited its leases for two wind projects planned off the coasts of New York and North Carolina, while committing to a range of fossil-fuel investments." From the report: [...] The first new agreement affects Bluepoint Wind, a wind farm in the early stages of development off New York and New Jersey. The project was proposed by Global Infrastructure Partners, a part of asset manager BlackRock, and Ocean Winds, which is itself a joint venture between Engie and EDP Renewables, two European clean-energy firms. The second deal would cancel Golden State Wind, another early-stage venture off California's central coast. Golden State Wind is a 50-50 partnership between the developers Ocean Winds and Reventus Power.

Both Bluepoint Wind and Golden State Wind agreed not to pursue any new offshore wind projects in the United States, although that pledge would not necessarily apply to the companies behind the ventures. Ocean Winds has also been developing another giant wind farm known as SouthCoast Wind, off Martha's Vineyard, Mass., that is much further along in the planning and permitting process. That project is not affected by Monday's announcement, although it has essentially been paused since Mr. Trump took office last year. [...] It is also unclear how much the companies will actually invest in new fossil fuel infrastructure. In documents released this month, Interior revealed that it would count investments that TotalEnergies made before the deal toward its pledge, raising questions over whether the company had any obligations to make additional investments.”
 
erek said:

“Trump Administration Will Pay More Energy Firms to Cancel Wind Farms​

BeauHD 4 hours ago		55
The Trump administration says it will reimburse energy companies $885 million to cancel two planned offshore wind farms, with the firms in turn agreeing to put money into oil and gas projects instead. "The deals are modeled after a similar agreement last month with the French energy giant TotalEnergies," notes the New York Times. "TotalEnergies forfeited its leases for two wind projects planned off the coasts of New York and North Carolina, while committing to a range of fossil-fuel investments." From the report: [...] The first new agreement affects Bluepoint Wind, a wind farm in the early stages of development off New York and New Jersey. The project was proposed by Global Infrastructure Partners, a part of asset manager BlackRock, and Ocean Winds, which is itself a joint venture between Engie and EDP Renewables, two European clean-energy firms. The second deal would cancel Golden State Wind, another early-stage venture off California's central coast. Golden State Wind is a 50-50 partnership between the developers Ocean Winds and Reventus Power.

Both Bluepoint Wind and Golden State Wind agreed not to pursue any new offshore wind projects in the United States, although that pledge would not necessarily apply to the companies behind the ventures. Ocean Winds has also been developing another giant wind farm known as SouthCoast Wind, off Martha's Vineyard, Mass., that is much further along in the planning and permitting process. That project is not affected by Monday's announcement, although it has essentially been paused since Mr. Trump took office last year. [...] It is also unclear how much the companies will actually invest in new fossil fuel infrastructure. In documents released this month, Interior revealed that it would count investments that TotalEnergies made before the deal toward its pledge, raising questions over whether the company had any obligations to make additional investments.”
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I mean, I get not wanting to spend money on wind and solar. Sure. If you don't like it politically then so be it. But to pay a company nearly a billion dollars to stop building? That's some next level stupid.
 
Ididar said:
I mean, I get not wanting to spend money on wind and solar. Sure. If you don't like it politically then so be it. But to pay a company nearly a billion dollars to stop building? That's some next level stupid.
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That's ok, it's not his money he's spending, it's US tax payer money... or more to the point it's borrowed money from other countries because we have been literally incapable of balancing our budget since Clinton was in office.
 
As a kid my mom would give me $4 and a small post card and tell me to walk down to the City Office to pay our monthly water bill. Buh bye.
 

“Data center uncertainty is making power grid planning difficult, experts say​


April 28, 2026 9 a.m.
The proliferation of power-hungry data centers is making it difficult to predict the future of the Pacific Northwest’s energy needs.
That has implications for the region’s efforts to invest in renewable energy sources, and may affect the cost of electricity for consumers in the years ahead.”

https://www.opb.org/article/2026/04/28/data-center-uncertainty-making-power-grid-planning-difficult/
 

“Oracle plans to power its New Mexico mega datacenter with a 2.45GW fuel cell farm​


No sense in OpenAI stressing over its cloud bills if Oracle can't get the lights on​


Tue 28 Apr 2026 // 21:58 UTC
Close on the heels of a report that OpenAI has missed revenue targets and may not be able to pay its future bills, compute partner Oracle is keeping calm and carrying on with a massive new datacenter complex in the New Mexico desert.
It seems like founder and chairman Larry Ellison is less concerned about whether Sam Altman can afford rent at the complex, than figuring out how to power it.”

https://www.theregister.com/2026/04/28/oracle_new_mexico_power_fuel_cell_farm/
 
Ididar said:

"Exploding number of AI data center build-outs delay Texas housing projects — data centers' high demand for electricians prices out contractors, homes now take two months longer to complete​


Data centers pay 75% more and offer overtime and bonuses — something that home builders cannot afford."


https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-i...-homes-now-take-two-months-longer-to-complete
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LoL, just cant make this shit up. First silicon like RAM and SSDs, then hard drives, and power and water, now electrician laborers?
 
sfsuphysics said:
LoL, just cant make this shit up. First silicon like RAM and SSDs, then hard drives, and power and water, now electrician laborers?
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Don't be shocked when it'll be plumbers, and all other general construction workers. Crane operators, back hoe operators, carpenters. Only so much of any of them to go around.
 
sfsuphysics said:
Copper as well I'm guessing from all the plumbing and cooling required.
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More so in the wiring and transformes. Very little HVAC is copper nowadays. The aircooled HVAC stuff is 95% aluminum made coils and the cooling towers and heads are mainly titanium on the water side as it saves a ton on water treatment.
sfsuphysics said:
LoL, just cant make this shit up. First silicon like RAM and SSDs, then hard drives, and power and water, now electrician laborers?
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It's true I do HVAC/electrical and a lot of of guys are going to data centers because they get paid way way better than I can afford to pay them. I'm already having a hard time selling jobs with how much materials have gone up yet homeowners don't seem willing to pay more.... Luckily we do mostly industry/commercial and it's still profitable where residential service calls are hardly profitable. And mainly it's illegal Mexicans doing most of the residential work for next to nothing
 
erek said:

“Trump Administration Will Pay More Energy Firms to Cancel Wind Farms​

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The Trump administration says it will reimburse energy companies $885 million to cancel two planned offshore wind farms, with the firms in turn agreeing to put money into oil and gas projects instead. "The deals are modeled after a similar agreement last month with the French energy giant TotalEnergies," notes the New York Times. "TotalEnergies forfeited its leases for two wind projects planned off the coasts of New York and North Carolina, while committing to a range of fossil-fuel investments." From the report: [...] The first new agreement affects Bluepoint Wind, a wind farm in the early stages of development off New York and New Jersey. The project was proposed by Global Infrastructure Partners, a part of asset manager BlackRock, and Ocean Winds, which is itself a joint venture between Engie and EDP Renewables, two European clean-energy firms. The second deal would cancel Golden State Wind, another early-stage venture off California's central coast. Golden State Wind is a 50-50 partnership between the developers Ocean Winds and Reventus Power.

Both Bluepoint Wind and Golden State Wind agreed not to pursue any new offshore wind projects in the United States, although that pledge would not necessarily apply to the companies behind the ventures. Ocean Winds has also been developing another giant wind farm known as SouthCoast Wind, off Martha's Vineyard, Mass., that is much further along in the planning and permitting process. That project is not affected by Monday's announcement, although it has essentially been paused since Mr. Trump took office last year. [...] It is also unclear how much the companies will actually invest in new fossil fuel infrastructure. In documents released this month, Interior revealed that it would count investments that TotalEnergies made before the deal toward its pledge, raising questions over whether the company had any obligations to make additional investments.”
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Almost as if the gas/oil companies have well funded lobbyists buying politicians.
 
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