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The Subscription Economy in America is Collapsing...

ivandagiant said:
Did you post this before the news of the price hike for gamepass hit? Ultimate is now $30 a month 0.0

Gamepass was an unreal deal before, and it was solid even after the many price hikes, but this most recent one puts it to the point that I don't think I'll keep using it
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I've never used Ultimate. I only have the PC version. Which did also get hiked significantly (and yes, that post was before I heard about it), percentage wise (~50% more, on top of the last hike they did). Although that's a large percentage hike, the dollar amount is still okay for me. 16$ a month for the releases they've had on it lately is okay. 20$ and up, I would probably start considering cancellation.

Are they changing the terms of the PC version? I saw that EA and Ubisoft are now only in Ultimate, so are they yoinking it from the PC subscription?

Overall, I never considered 10$ a month for how much value Gamepass was providing me to be completely realistic, in all honesty. Even GameFly, a simple mail rental service, iirc charged more than that with a limit of 2 games at a time. Gamepass provides a large catalog (with many AAA titles), save synchronization, download infrastructure, etc. As long as they reinvest the price hikes into acquiring more and more good titles to put on the platform, I'm kind of okay with it. But I think 30$/month is going to be an incredibly hard sell. That's essentially half the price of a AAA game on PC, on release, and as much as possible multiple on sale AAA games. At that point, the best option becomes just waiting for sales.16/mo is still okay for me, but it's starting to get up there into unreasonable territory.
 
ivandagiant said:
Gamepass was an unreal deal before, and it was solid even after the many price hikes, but this most recent one puts it to the point that I don't think I'll keep using it
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Gamepass never made sense to me, even when it was at its original low price.

On several occasions I have gone through the entire offered catalogue only to find that the majority of the titles I have absolutely zero interest in, and most of those I do, I've already bought and usually already finished a long time ago. (though some were in my Steam backlog as of yet un-played.) If I were to just buy the few titles that remain on Steam (which rarely amounts to more than 1 or 2 titles per year) I'd spend less, even if I bought them at full launch price, which I rarely do. (I usually keep playing my backlog, and add titles as they go on sale, as most titles launch in an unplayable state these days anyway so there is no point in buying them at launch)
 
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If you're spending a lot of time playing different games per month
AND
Many of the games in their library interest you
AND
You didn't mind limitations with modding

Then this could be a very good deal. I bought Oblivion and Avowed and could've saved money if I had no plans to come back to those games. But that deal was only temporary as part of MS using a good price to get everyone hooked on subscriptions before they jack it up.
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
Gamepass never made sense to me, even when it was at its original low price.

ON several occasions I have gone through the entire offered catalogue only to find that the majority of the titles I have absolutely zero interest in, and most of those I do, I've already bought and usually already finished a long time ago. (though some were in my Steam backlog as of yet un-played.) If I were to just buy the few titles that remain on Steam (which rarely amounts to more than 1 or 2 titles per year, I'd spend less, even if I bought them at fui launch price, which I rarely do. (I usually keep playing my backlog, and add titles as they go on sale, as most titles launch in an unplayable state these days anyway so there is no point in buying them at launch)
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This ^ x2
 
sharknice said:
Tipped employees make the standard minimum wage no matter what. If they don't make enough in tips to meet the standard minimum wage employers are required by law to make up the difference. I see sob stories all the time on social media where they purposely make it seem like they don't.
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I worked as a bartender for a while part time (WFH got very boring due to the solitude, I needed some kind of social interaction and I love bartending). Made Oregon minimum wage (13, 14 something?). Paychecks went into savings. Tips were my spending money. Tips were well above the paychecks. For a small town restaurant/bar at 4 hours a night, I was doing pretty damn good. Probably close to $40 an hour on some nights ($50 wages, $100-150 in tips). Which for around here was pretty damn good. Barely worked, bar sat 10 people, made drinks, bullshit with people for a few hours a night... Perfect job.

Tips were never expected but always grateful. But, they really do make a difference. But, they also can be a very hidden part of income. "I make less than minimum wage/minimum wage. Waaaaa.". If you're a decent person and half the people are tipping and tipping ~20% average, you're making some good money well above minimum wage. Those sob stories are either BS, they're underreporting tips, they're not friendly and not getting a tip, or people just aren't tipping.
 
I for one am getting tired of being nickle and dimed to death for absolute shit quality everything. Programs, OS’s game subs, streaming services, etc. All of it is trash. If you think about it, there’s like a small handful of things you might enjoy on each streaming service and the overwhelming rest is absolute trash. We need a Steam for shows. You pay for what you want, stream it when you want and own it forever. We’re subsidizing trashing our whole society.
 
Ur_Mom said:
...or people just aren't tipping.
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I think this is the issue we are talking about :p

Back when my better half was a server, there was one particularly rough shift. Traffic was low that shift, and most of her work was on one particular table. it was a largish table, but as memory serves it was just barely under the limit (8 people?) where restaurant policy included gratuity in the bill.

They paid with a credit card, and when they left, no one could find the signed slip. Either the person paying accidentally stuck it in their wallet instead of leaving it (it happens), or it blew away (my recollection is that it was an outdoor table) or the dude was a dickwad who didn't tip.

Either way, this being the Boston Seaport District, parking was not cheap. She worked a long shift and paid more in parking than she earned that day as a result.

Shit like this happens all the time. More to servers than bartenders for some reason.

Also, what many people don't seem to realize is that while you may be interacting with the server, they are usually required to tip out other people from the tip they are given, so it doesn't always go entirely to them.

Who and how many people they are required to tip out depends from place to place. Usually it is at least the bartender, but often it is also any barbacks, bussers, food runners, expediters, hosts/hostesses any any other front of house staff. Increasingly in later years this has also started including a pool for back of house staff working in the kitchen. (though this hasn't reached everywhere yet.

This is often worth keeping in mind, because I hear people say things like why am I tipping so much for this person to just spend 10 minutes taking my orders? They didn't even bring out my food, someone else did. Well, that tip is usually spread across the entire front of house operation these days, and sometimes even more people.

I would argue that it shouldn't be this way, that everyone should be paid regular wages, but that is often not the choice of the person who depends on the tip, and is harmed when it is omitted.
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
Gamepass never made sense to me, even when it was at its original low price.

On several occasions I have gone through the entire offered catalogue only to find that the majority of the titles I have absolutely zero interest in, and most of those I do, I've already bought and usually already finished a long time ago. (though some were in my Steam backlog as of yet un-played.) If I were to just buy the few titles that remain on Steam (which rarely amounts to more than 1 or 2 titles per year) I'd spend less, even if I bought them at full launch price, which I rarely do. (I usually keep playing my backlog, and add titles as they go on sale, as most titles launch in an unplayable state these days anyway so there is no point in buying them at launch)
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It currently has big hits like Indiana Jones, Oblivion Remastered, Blue Prince, Fantazio on there. Also a bunch of stuff like Far Cry series, Dishonored, Ni No Kuni, Dead Cells, Diablo 4, Octopath Traveler (1 and 2) ,The Outer Worlds, etc. Like 472 titles. Some of it is garbage for sure, but it's been getting a lot more on-release AAA titles lately and I think it's a bit disingenuous to say absolutely none of it would interest you. I wasn't believer at first, but at some point I found myself playing quite a few games off of it just because there was no sunk cost to trying them out. I didn't have to worry about a return period, I could just start shit up and see if I like it. To me that's its biggest draw. And it has more than paid for itself.

Though, with the 16+ USD price hike, I'm going to have to start considering its value proposition more seriously, because Steam AAA games when on sale can be around that price. Overall, though it's still not at the price point where it really hurts me at all financially on a per month basis, vs the massive game collection and freedom I get out of it. I've been playing Oblivion Remastered on and off for a couple of months at this point. Brand new at minimum that would have been ~40-50$? Considering I wasn't expecting myself to like it, it's paid for itself with solely the amount of time I've sunk into that.

As a kid I had access to Gamefly via my parents. To me this is just a continuation of that, except a hell of a lot more convenient. I think subscription services are perfectly fine. They're just a choice, and it's up to the user to make a value proposition calculation. Currently most of them are overpriced, hence people are cancelling them. That's all there is to it. I've stated my piece about oversegmentation earlier.
 
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StoleMyOwnCar said:
It currently has big hits like Indiana Jones, Oblivion Remastered, Blue Prince, Fantazio on there. Also a bunch of stuff like Far Cry series, Dishonored, Ni No Kuni, Dead Cells, Diablo 4, Octopath Traveler (1 and 2) ,The Outer Worlds, etc. Like 472 titles. Some of it is garbage for sure, but it's been getting a lot more on-release AAA titles lately and I think it's a bit disingenuous to say absolutely none of it would interest you. I wasn't believer at first, but at some point I found myself playing quite a few games off of it just because there was no sunk cost to trying them out. I didn't have to worry about a return period, I could just start shit up and see if I like it. To me that's its biggest draw. And it has more than paid for itself.
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The last time I went through the list there were 350-some titles on it, if I recall correctly.

I'm not saying there isn't good stuff on there. I'm just saying that most of it just isn't the type of game that appeals to me. And the stuff that is, I usually own already and generally have finished already.

From your listed examples:

Not really interested:
- Indiana Jones
- Oblivion Remastered
- Blue Prince
- Fantazio
- Ni No Kuni
- Dead Cells
- Diablo 4
- Octopath Traveler

Was interested at one point, but already own and have played:
- Outer Worlds
- Far Cry Series

Generally, I am almost exclusively interested in first person titles, but I have some exceptions for some strategy titles.

I generally can't stand anything "Fantasy" as a genre, which eliminates Oblivion, and generally I also find it really difficult to get into series that are adapted from Film, TV or books, at least if I have seen/red them in those media first. (which eliminates Indiana Jones)

I tend to prefer titles with strong story-telling elements, preferably large open world AAA titles. Roguelike titles have less appeal.

Anything third person is straight out, as is anything side scrolling or isometric (except for a select few, usually turn based strategy titles)

In all of 2024 there was only one title released that was even remotely interesting to me, and that one was a doozy, namely STALKER2. Been looking forward to this for 15 years, so I wanted to wait for it to be patched (and for me to upgrade my system) before playing it.

In 2025 there are a few potentials. I might be interested in The Outer Worlds 2, Atomfall and maybe Judas. If I get bored I might get the new Doom or the new Borderlands, but honestly I haven't gotten around to playing the last Doom title either, so who knows.

I'm not saying that there isn't much to Gamepass for everyone, but for my specific preferences it generally wouldn't make sense.

Especially at $360 per year. I can buy just the titles I ma interested in for that, and have them permanently, and maybe even save some money.
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
Especially at $360 per year. I can buy just the titles I ma interested in for that, and have them permanently, and maybe even save some money.
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It's not 360 per year for the PC version, though. It's around half of that. The 30 dollar price tag is just mostly for console peasants.
 
StoleMyOwnCar said:
It's not 360 per year for the PC version, though. It's around half of that. The 30 dollar price tag is just mostly for console peasants.
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Ahh. I didn't realize that. I never read in to it beyond the headlines where people were complaining. IN large part because I don't use GamePass and it doesn't affect me 😅
 
magnetik said:
fwiw for those still on Firefox..(edit: looks like there are instructions for Chrome, Edge, Brave, etc on the github page) there are ways around the sharing restrictions in netflix via plugin now.
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I'm not sure how this works but I'm sticking with a VPN tunnel as a solution.
 
Netflix Quarterly Revenue
(Millions of US $)
2025-09-30$11,510
2025-06-30$11,079
2025-03-31$10,543
2024-12-31$10,247
2024-09-30$9,825

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https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/b...-2025-earnings-report-subscribers-1236417329/
The audio streaming giant grows monthly active users to 713 million, ahead of expectations. The firm reported an operating profit of €582 million, up 28 percent from the year-ago period,

https://www.riaa.com/growth-in-paid...rded-music-revenues-to-new-high-reports-riaa/
Growth in Paid Subscription Streaming Drives Mid-Year 2025 US Recorded Music Revenues to New High, Reports RIAA

Not sure if it collapsed in general (seem that it is even up in general ?) or the prediction of winners continuing to do well versus a retraction of only being fume of the covid era being in trouble being mostly what happened, the first article was on poll something we can rarely listen to people, can be what they aspire too and not what they will actually do.
 
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Mazzspeed said:
I thought Netflix blocked all VPN nodes?
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Not private VPN's like wireguard. Netflix goes by your IP address to determine where live in order to determine if you're home or not, and private VPN's like wireguard allow you to connect to your home and get an IP from there. I use an OpenWRT router which allows me to install Wireguard onto it and from there I just install wireguard on my phone or whatever and tunnel to my home. If the addon works then go for it because what's the worse that happens, in that Netflix requires an authentication code from your phone? I installed it to see if it does the job but I haven't tried it.


View: https://youtu.be/SABkSi0CR-M?t=433
 
DukenukemX said:
Not private VPN's like wireguard. Netflix goes by your IP address to determine where live in order to determine if you're home or not, and private VPN's like wireguard allow you to connect to your home and get an IP from there. I use an OpenWRT router which allows me to install Wireguard onto it and from there I just install wireguard on my phone or whatever and tunnel to my home. If the addon works then go for it because what's the worse that happens, in that Netflix requires an authentication code from your phone? I installed it to see if it does the job but I haven't tried it.


View: https://youtu.be/SABkSi0CR-M?t=433
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Bugger, I was hoping you'd tell me there's a VPN that allows me to get around this annoying geoblocking rubbish!
 
DukenukemX said:
Not private VPN's like wireguard. Netflix goes by your IP address to determine where live in order to determine if you're home or not, and private VPN's like wireguard allow you to connect to your home and get an IP from there. I use an OpenWRT router which allows me to install Wireguard onto it and from there I just install wireguard on my phone or whatever and tunnel to my home. If the addon works then go for it because what's the worse that happens, in that Netflix requires an authentication code from your phone? I installed it to see if it does the job but I haven't tried it.


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Yep. I have my own VPN server set up on my home network.

My mobile devices VPN to my house, and then their traffic exits via my home internet, appearing no different to the services they connect to than if they were connected directly to my home Wifi.

I also have a trusted private VPN that all of my traffic (including the mobile devices VPN:ed into my home) leave through, but I add exceptions that bypass the VPN for domains where it causes problems.

This ought to work on Netflix, but I am not sure, I haven't tested it. I canceled my Netflix subscription over a decade ago. I mostly use the bypass for things I absolutely have to access (healthcare portals, banking sites, etc.)

For anything less critical (like retailers, news sites, etc.) that use the likes of Cloudflare or Vercel Security or some other service like that to try to "verify", if it brakes my ability to access their site, so be it. I guess they didn't want my business after all. I'll give my money to someone else. A business that doesn't block me because I block their scammy data collection domains, use a VPN, have scripting, canvas, WebGL, WebRTC, and other garbage that can be used for fingerprinting disabled, and use a fake UserAgent for my browser.

Next step would be for there to be some sort of plugin that can randomize believable data for all of these things (canvas, WebGL, WebRTC, Useragent, etc.) such that it looks legit to "browser verification tests" but just contains garbage data that is completely useless for fingerprinting.

If I knew how to develop software, I'd work on a project like that.

Heck, and even cooler idea would be to use some sort of AI enabled browser that presents fake and uniform fingerprinting data indistinguishable from the real thing to every site you visit, and then uses AI trained on open websites on the internet to reassemble what the site is supposed to look like client side. This way stuff like using browser scaling or dark mode won't give anything away.

That would be one of the first applications of AI I could get behind. Using AI for good instead of for evil.

I hope someone more knowledgeable than I develops something like this. (Please steal my idea, just promise to open source the output with a GPLv2 compatible license, ok?)
 
LukeTbk said:
Netflix Quarterly Revenue
(Millions of US $)
2025-09-30$11,510
2025-06-30$11,079
2025-03-31$10,543
2024-12-31$10,247
2024-09-30$9,825

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https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/b...-2025-earnings-report-subscribers-1236417329/
The audio streaming giant grows monthly active users to 713 million, ahead of expectations. The firm reported an operating profit of €582 million, up 28 percent from the year-ago period,

https://www.riaa.com/growth-in-paid...rded-music-revenues-to-new-high-reports-riaa/
Growth in Paid Subscription Streaming Drives Mid-Year 2025 US Recorded Music Revenues to New High, Reports RIAA

Not sure if it collapsed in general (seem that it is even up in general ?) or the prediction of winners continuing to do well versus a retraction of only being fume of the covid era being in trouble being mostly what happened, the first article was on poll something we can rarely listen to people, can be what they aspire too and not what they will actually do.
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This data does look different than what they are talking about in the article, but it also references different (primarily music) services.

The examples the article uses are all video streaming services.

Maybe people are more likely to hold on to their music services than they are 18 video streaming services?

Music subscription services do tend to be a little bit cheaper, and tend to have more comprehensive content, so you really only need one of them to get most of what you want to listen to. This could be why they are bucking the trend.
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
This data does look different than what they are talking about in the article, but it also references different (primarily music) services.
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youtube, netflix, prime are also video, I imagine some of the Paramount, disney, apple could be going down a bit, but youtube grew relatively fast to compensate.
 
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Zarathustra[H] said:
Gamepass never made sense to me, even when it was at its original low price.

On several occasions I have gone through the entire offered catalogue only to find that the majority of the titles I have absolutely zero interest in, and most of those I do, I've already bought and usually already finished a long time ago. (though some were in my Steam backlog as of yet un-played.) If I were to just buy the few titles that remain on Steam (which rarely amounts to more than 1 or 2 titles per year) I'd spend less, even if I bought them at full launch price, which I rarely do. (I usually keep playing my backlog, and add titles as they go on sale, as most titles launch in an unplayable state these days anyway so there is no point in buying them at launch)
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Yeah but if you’re a teenager? Maybe a part time job or just a bit of an allowance? Pop down to the gas station once a month and load up some 30-50 bucks in Xbox game cards to pay for the subscription?

Gamepass just needs to be a good enough deal that if your choice is spend $90 on one game or less than that for the subscription that also gets that game plus all others then your gonna think about it. Keep on Gamepass long enough and your kinda locked in because without it what games do you have for your console?

Gamepass and services like it exist for people new to the space, with no back catalogue, and no older systems. It exists to prevent them from having a collection to fall back on and keep them in the cycle. Stay in it long enough and they are likely to stay because that’s just how it’s always been for them and that’s where their nostalgic back catalogue lives.
 
Lakados said:
Yeah but if you’re a teenager? Maybe a part time job or just a bit of an allowance? Pop down to the gas station once a month and load up some 30-50 bucks in Xbox game cards to pay for the subscription?

Gamepass just needs to be a good enough deal that if your choice is spend $90 on one game or less than that for the subscription that also gets that game plus all others then your gonna think about it. Keep on Gamepass long enough and your kinda locked in because without it what games do you have for your console?

Gamepass and services like it exist for people new to the space, with no back catalogue, and no older systems. It exists to prevent them from having a collection to fall back on and keep them in the cycle. Stay in it long enough and they are likely to stay because that’s just how it’s always been for them and that’s where their nostalgic back catalogue lives.
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Agreed.

I didn't say they didn't make sense for anyone.

If "copying that floppy" hadn't been an option when I was a teenager, I would likely have gravitated towards a plan like this, where abundant free time made me more likely to try titles that weren't squarely straight up my alley.
 
Just use Sponsor Block like he said. Would it be an improvement if such a system were built-in? Yes, but it barely affects the viewing experience.

If you watch a lot of YT then Premium is great. The mobile app is better/faster than a browser. YT Music is better than all of the other music streaming services (far more deep cuts and bootlegs). The Android Auto app is the most reliable of the music streaming apps that I've used. All together it's still the best priced subscription for video and music content and feels far more fair than other every other streaming service while also paying the people that create content.
 
Bankie said:
Just use Sponsor Block like he said. Would it be an improvement if such a system were built-in? Yes, but it barely affects the viewing experience.

If you watch a lot of YT then Premium is great. The mobile app is better/faster than a browser. YT Music is better than all of the other music streaming services (far more deep cuts and bootlegs). The Android Auto app is the most reliable of the music streaming apps that I've used. All together it's still the best priced subscription for video and music content and feels far more fair than other every other streaming service while also paying the people that create content.
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Get Revanced and be done with it.
 
Decko said:
You realize millennials are late 30s early 40s with full time jobs and families right?
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It's funny. Those of us millennials that used to complain about the first GTX Titan costing $1000 are now the ones paying $2k-5k for a GPU because we can.

Amazing how having a career changes your perspective. :LOL:
 
Bankie said:
If you watch a lot of YT then Premium is great. The mobile app is better/faster than a browser. YT Music is better than all of the other music streaming services
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I've tried premium twice on free trial, 2 years apart. Both times I wished i could cancel it before it runs out. It has some extremely annoying "features". The continue playing one drove me up every wall. You try to open a new window it will load automatically the video you last played, even if it's still open in another tab, even if you deliberately clicked away from it.

The APP is garbage, it keeps pushing shorts, I just load the YT page in Brave on Android and it is not just faster, more convenient, and user friendly, but no ads even without premium.

YT Music is so bad It is almost impossible to find albums on it, and even if you find them there is no option to play an album from beginning to end, it's just chaos. I don't remember it being this bad 2 yrs prior.

Google is the master of enshittification. BTW Google Earth is also becoming a subscription. The offline app will be quietly removed next year and the only way to access it will be via web. Of course a significantly dumber, slower, uglier version. And there will be subscription tiers that allow you to use certain features. I'd not use it if they paid me, it is so shit.
 
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Revanced is basically dead or on life support. They had a falling out and a lot of the developers left for Morphe that is in active developement.

If I understood correctly Revanced then ripped off Morphes code which led to the DMCA take down and now Revanced patches are removed from Github, forcing them to move to Gitlab.
 
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I just load the YT page in Brave on Android and it is not just faster, more convenient, and user friendly, but no ads even without premium.
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That's what I do. When an ad does manage to load, I refresh the page and it's gone. Poof.
 
sharknice said:
I didn't even know they did subscription services for fast food delivery. I've heard of it for groceries.

It surprises me how many people pay for fast food delivery, especially the people that struggle to pay rent and bills. Paying $40 for poorly made fast food that arrives cold and 40 minutes after it's been made. No thanks, I'll make something at home way better for under $5.
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I haven't ever had food delivered to me ... ever. My philosophy has always been simple. If I can't get off my ass and go get food from my kitchen or go to a place and pick it up then maybe I don't deserve to eat. The expansion of food delivery points to one simple thing ... people are getting lazier and want everything handed to them. It isn't unlike Amazon. They make it stupid convenient and so people don't leave their homes as much. After all, why go to the store and pick up toilet paper when I can order some while having a shit and it comes to my house? I just can't do it. It feels like surrendering my will to live. I order some things but only because I can't stand up and go to a store locally and pick it up. If I can pick it up from a local store then I will, period. I'd rather my money go to the company that has a building and staff in my city than a company that is paying a delivery driver less than minimum wage. The only good side of the entire population getting lazy is that people who are truly unable to leave their house easily due to health or mobility issues are spoiled for choice these days. But, nobody built a billion dollar business catering on delivering food to that small portion of the population.
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
Most of those who either have or plan on canceling cite either increased subscription fees, increased costs of living, or crackdowns on password sharing as the main reason for their desire to cancel.

We have long talked about a bump in these subscription services resulting from people being at home during the pandemic. I hadn't been paying attention, but I thought that bump was over ages ago, but maybe this is the end of the prolonged tail of that bump?
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Same reason people have gym memberships for years and never go. Once the money is leaving your account on a regular basis people just consider it the "new normal" and just let it continue to leave their account whether they're using the service or not. All these companies are absolutely counting on people being lazy and not bothering to cancel subscriptions. It is the same mentality of those "free to try" services that automatically flip over into paid after a month or two. They're absolutely counting on you either getting hooked and keeping it or being too lazy to notice that you're now paying for it. People should be auditing their finances more often and trimming the fat but they're just too focused on useless shit and not on the stuff that really matters. They'll scroll Instagram all day but can't be bothered to scroll through their bank accounts and see what money is leaving.
 
M76 said:
I've tried premium twice on free trial, 2 years apart. Both times I wished i could cancel it before it runs out. It has some extremely annoying "features". The continue playing one drove me up every wall. You try to open a new window it will load automatically the video you last played, even if it's still open in another tab, even if you deliberately clicked away from it.

The APP is garbage, it keeps pushing shorts, I just load the YT page in Brave on Android and it is not just faster, more convenient, and user friendly, but no ads even without premium.

YT Music is so bad It is almost impossible to find albums on it, and even if you find them there is no option to play an album from beginning to end, it's just chaos. I don't remember it being this bad 2 yrs prior.
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Sounds like user error. I don't have any of those issues. I just searched for and listened to an album uninterrupted yesterday.
 
DanNeely said:
I remember getting into a lot of arguments years ago and frequently being dogpiled by disagreers for saying that Netflix would only be crazy cheap when it was seen as extra money on top of a cable subscription by the media companies. When it became a replacement they'd insist on fees similar in size to what they charged cable companies per user for access to all their content; a number that was a majority of the cost of the TV bill.

If you add the cost of all the major paid streaming services and stand alone sportsball ones together now you end up with something that's a good size chunk of a cable TV bill; meanwhile internet prices have edged up, at least in part I'm sure because the cable companies are charging more to replace the income they used to get from the infrastructure part of their TV bill (most of which doesn't go away when customers go internet only).

Sometimes I hate being right.
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It was always an inevitability. It was great for me at first when I cancelled my TV and had Netflix only. Great times. But as soon as more people followed then, yeah, all the other players launched their own streaming services. Now we have more costs for less content which is just why a lot of us left TV in the first place.
 
Ididar said:
It was always an inevitability. It was great for me at first when I cancelled my TV and had Netflix only. Great times. But as soon as more people followed then, yeah, all the other players launched their own streaming services. Now we have more costs for less content which is just why a lot of us left TV in the first place.
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