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RX 9050 is a bit of a turd
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oem in mind move can be hard to understand of course, but this one feel like I am missing something.
It is using the same 18Gbps memory according to what I can find than a 9060 would, it is using the same GPU die, why going with such an aggressive core count cut (50%), at under 200mm on a very mature node, even a ~75% would be quite good yield.
Seem like a waste of a lot of working cores and hard to find GDDR6 memory to a make slower than 2020 RTX 3060 gpu...
There could be some OEM power level demand (100 watt or something) they wanted to it, still feel a 75% enabled downclocked cores would reach it and give you a 7060 nonXT performance at least...
Hard to understand the strategy here...
It is using the same 18Gbps memory according to what I can find than a 9060 would, it is using the same GPU die, why going with such an aggressive core count cut (50%), at under 200mm on a very mature node, even a ~75% would be quite good yield.
Seem like a waste of a lot of working cores and hard to find GDDR6 memory to a make slower than 2020 RTX 3060 gpu...
There could be some OEM power level demand (100 watt or something) they wanted to it, still feel a 75% enabled downclocked cores would reach it and give you a 7060 nonXT performance at least...
Hard to understand the strategy here...
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ok, sure....
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Meh ....
Time index 11:20 - "The 9050 Preys on Novice PC Gamers"
View: https://youtu.be/shweR_ghJFw?si=8mn9gQAAwbfGWczU
And here I am looking at AGP cards for my Soltek Qbic box.
Time index 11:20 - "The 9050 Preys on Novice PC Gamers"
View: https://youtu.be/shweR_ghJFw?si=8mn9gQAAwbfGWczU
And here I am looking at AGP cards for my Soltek Qbic box.
I'd be more interested in a 4GB model that pulls less than 75W and can run on slot power than the 8GB retail version. Cheap low power card to make a proc with no integrated video & a board with no ipmi/video work so I can use it as a server. AM4 CPU, X299, Threadripper, etc. But I'm sure they'll want too much $ for it and I'd go hunting for a used 1050 or something instead.
I haven't seen any actual benches of the 9050 8GB yet but it sounds like it's going to get flogged by an ARC B570 or RTX 5050. 4GB? Don't need to see them.
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My thinking, somewhat exaggerated. Why? If, and it's a big if, you must have "new" and you can only spend so much, it's a RX 6600 beating (usually) option. So, let's say that RX 6600 1080p gaming is "ok", and for what ever reason you want something "like that", but new, then if you just don't have the budget and for whatever reason you want to pay "AI madness", I think it's an ok card. HUB tests 1080p on mega ultra die die settings. And my guess is that you'll get 1080p enjoyment from the 8GB version of the RX 9050. Note, HUB believe that all 1080p gaming is crap. Total crap. Like you're insane crap. Not sure why they went there, but... there you go. So if you want 8K gaming at ultra mega high end settings with RT ray obliteration, yes, the RX 9050 with .0005 fps is probably not for you. But, I think that would be obvious.
Most people that need a cheap graphics card might do better buying used. That way, you might get 1080p+ (like even 1440p) for a lesser price than an RX 9050 new. But... it won't be new. So, to me, that's the key.
Also, as HUB pointed out these are binned 9060 cards. So.... they take power, while it might not be like a 9060, we'll have to see if other benefits like "low profile" come out. Right now, Nvidia has that locked up, AMD not really a player currently in that space at all (not by any reasonable comparison). However, Steam OS is a thing, and so, you really need a Radeon. We'll see if the power is low enough for a low profile RX 9050 to come out (???). That again, if you must have new, could be another win for the platform.
TLDR: Performs on par with a RX 6600 mostly (1080p), but you can't get that new (presumably, alibaba to the rescue??). Works with Steam OS (we think). Might offer an opportunity for AMD to re-enter the low-profile space, but that's not proven. Avoid the 4GB pre-built variant at all cost.
Most people that need a cheap graphics card might do better buying used. That way, you might get 1080p+ (like even 1440p) for a lesser price than an RX 9050 new. But... it won't be new. So, to me, that's the key.
Also, as HUB pointed out these are binned 9060 cards. So.... they take power, while it might not be like a 9060, we'll have to see if other benefits like "low profile" come out. Right now, Nvidia has that locked up, AMD not really a player currently in that space at all (not by any reasonable comparison). However, Steam OS is a thing, and so, you really need a Radeon. We'll see if the power is low enough for a low profile RX 9050 to come out (???). That again, if you must have new, could be another win for the platform.
TLDR: Performs on par with a RX 6600 mostly (1080p), but you can't get that new (presumably, alibaba to the rescue??). Works with Steam OS (we think). Might offer an opportunity for AMD to re-enter the low-profile space, but that's not proven. Avoid the 4GB pre-built variant at all cost.
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In case anyone missed it, the chart in the OP is cost per frame, lower being "better." The card might actually perform differently than you think, depending on how your brain decided to interpret that chart.
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was this not clear enough?!
people can skip to the sections in the vid. i thought this was most relevant, its overpriced and underperforms.
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These are the 9060(XT) dies that didn't make the cut already. They had to get a number they could get max yield out of.
I just can't take HUB seriously for testing this at 1080p ultra. Yes, the card costs too much and it sucks overall with the 4gb being likely far worse and meant for limited OEM screw jobs at a lower price but no one that is stuck at this level of performance should run this card at ultra settings for most of the games they tested. Rivals is just insane especially since AMD has had some issues with that game. Rivals isn't exactly well optimized at times depending on patch, gpu/brand driver versions or UE5 sillyness. Drop most settings to high and toss on dlss/fsr and the game looks fine and runs decent enough at 1080p. Tim's take on the 6500 a week or two ago was just as silly. Like test the new AC Blackflag fine, but also show me how the original runs on that 6500 with 4 or 8gb of ram.
All these ultra tests tell me that yes, 1080p and 1440p suck on these cards and we're not moving forward. I'm at ten years now on being correct that jumping to 1440p/2k or 4k is not worth the cash most of the time.
All these ultra tests tell me that yes, 1080p and 1440p suck on these cards and we're not moving forward. I'm at ten years now on being correct that jumping to 1440p/2k or 4k is not worth the cash most of the time.
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The problem is the price. Its simply not a $300 card even in the current market. HUB being lying turds is secondary, they've been at it for years.
Running on max settings without ray tracing seems to be the industry standard. I suspect part of the reason is they don't want to have to retest every comparison card for every review. So just use a standard platform and run everything on ultra. A really good review would I suppose still include the usual ultra tests, but I'd also like to see a breakdown of what settings are playable for the card being reviewed, along with some sort of comparison to the other cards. Run all of them at the target card's playable settings or do a [H]ard|OCP style max playable settings comparison.
Running everything on ultra is turning into more and more of a problem and the drampocalypse is making it even worse. The gaming industry was headed for an 8GB minimum before dram prices spiked, and a lot of upcoming titles are probably too far along in development to change that. The problem there is 8GB is likely not enough to run most minimum 8GB titles on ultra so they'll be spilling over into system ram and run horribly slowly. Everything on ultra for the 9050 8GB isn't really any worse than doing the same to a 5060Ti. You can still reasonably judge how slow it is compared to the competition. The 4GB version will break that model. With a mere 4GB, a proper review is more about "can it run the game"? Meaning can it run it at all. I have a few where the answer will be a hard no.
yes that what i mean by same gpu die.... 50% for such a small for a gpu chip on such an old and mature node seem really aggressive, specially with how precious spending 8GB of semi-descent gddr6 is at the moment.
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I'm sorry, but a card that can't handle 1080p ultra that costs $280 in 2026 has no right to exist, especially when the 9060xt 8GB launched at $300, yielding like a 70%-75% boost in performance for the price of a Starbucks latte. HUB is perfectly justified in testing this at 1080p ultra to highlight how stupid this is. AMD should be embarrassed for wasting perfectly good VRAM, at a time of a supply crisis, in order to launch this worthless crap.
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While true, sometimes you do what you have to do, or are allowed to do. I don't like it. But, here we are.
It's possible that "all this" (talking about our new AI overlords) will cause a less than peaceful rebellion. I don't think that's a reach.
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I can't say anything about this without sending it to the soapbox, but you're right lol
No argument from me that the price is crazy but they would help more by showing both situations. I don't need them to show me a dozen games to show how bad 8gb is these days or a mega cut down chip. I hate to break it to people but 1080p is here to stay and that has been reality for 10 years now due to 8gb ram cards and all the new tech that supposedly helps games run better.
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IMO, there's no bad graphics card, just bad price and/or use case.
I don't ever see me using an RX 9050, though. If they had a SFF version, maybe as an RTX 3050 alternative for a Steam OS build using something like my Lenovo Thinkstation P3 Tiny.
I don't ever see me using an RX 9050, though. If they had a SFF version, maybe as an RTX 3050 alternative for a Steam OS build using something like my Lenovo Thinkstation P3 Tiny.
Not disagreeing about 1080p being here to stay, but they really don't need to work too hard to tell the audience they should not invest perfectly good money into this card. The fact that AMD refuses to sample the card to media proves that not even they think this is not worth anyone's time. You don't hide a product from scrutiny if you think it has something good to offer the consumer. This product is vastly inferior to the next option. AMD says a 9060XT 8GB is $300 retail, a card that is over a year old at this point might I add. They want to sell you the 9050 8GB for $280 retail. Notwithstanding current market craziness, let's just take them at their face value. That's a less than 7% reduction in price for a 70-75% reduction in performance. No reviewer can possibly identify a reason to buy this. This card is made up of rejected 9060XTs and is being targeted at OEMs that want something cheap to sell to customers they know full well have no idea what they're buying. It'll be marketed with RGB as a "gaming computer", and away they go. I don't care if you're gaming on a 640x480 CRT monitor, you should not buy this card. At all. Full stop. It offers nothing of value, and certainly not for $280.
You could ALMOST make a case for it if it were able to run off of PCI-e slot power alone, but it can't even do that.
I don't think gamers should be validating these decisions with "well you can use it at 1080p medium" or "it's an E-sports card". No, it's junk. Please don't validate bad business decisions by purchasing trash like this. Consumers deserve better. 9060XT at $300 and 9070XT at $600 were well-priced offerings from AMD that were well received by gamers, and the results are clear in the Steam surveys, where the 9070XT registers comparatively well for a previously invisible Radeon, and it's a high end offering. This is a complete miss that will burn up goodwill at best, but burning up goodwill is not unusual for AMD.
I'll dispute that. A 9050 4GB in 2026 is a bad graphics card at any price. I wouldn't even recommend paying scrap value for it.
Seriously, who is that card even for?
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It's still about 150% faster than a 780M iGPU, which can play most games at 1080 decently. Put it in a desktop mini-PC build that uses SO-DIMM's for $100 would be a no-brainer. Slightly slower than the new Steam Machine, but much, much cheaper. The current price would still be cheaper than the new Steam Machine.
OEM that want to have a new under warrenty GPU really bad and ready to accept a bit anything and a customer that do not know much better, they get a new latest generation nice AMD gpu with their pre-built system ?
Maybe once this alternative ($299 for the 5050 low profil):
https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-low...-rtx-5050-8gb-graphics-card/p/N82E16814932817
is about the same price, the gap between the 5050 and the 9050 seem big enough to be a non brainer upgrade.... you get DLSS with better pure raster here.
I disagree, 4GB discrete VRAM should not be put into anything that plays games in 2026, but you're welcome to have a different opinion.
That's the target market, but for $20 more they could offer a 9060XT and charge the customer more, so again....why?
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I disagree. Fundamentally, I don't think anyone should be buying new graphics cards released in 2026 with 4GB VRAM, that way the companies lose money and learn not to do it in the future. However, there are always use cases where it can make sense if the price is right.
If that really the current price... that a sign it would not stay for long.
On newegg the cheapest RX 9600xt 8GB sold by newegg is $410, and it is a Yeston, brand I know it is up too $500 in combo, are you sure OEM could get volume of 9060xt at only $20 more a pop ?
If the constraint on pricing is VRAM, an 8GB 9050 and an 8GB 9060XT won't make much of a difference to the OEM in terms of price. 4GB maybe a bit, but there isn't much in terms of a use case for that anyway.
Yeah, not much the gamer side can do unfortunately, since the AI guys will buy up everything they can find, although even they won't want a card with only 4GB of VRAM. It's just a weird decision.