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Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock, a network of AI cameras used by ICE, feds, and police

I wonder if one can sue Flock for a type of NIL settlement? "You can't use my image/likeness unless you pay me a lot of money first."
 
SunnyD said:
I wonder if one can sue Flock for a type of NIL settlement? "You can't use my image/likeness unless you pay me a lot of money first."
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Your license plate isn’t part of your likeness
 
Fortunately Fort Collins (where I live) recently terminated its contracts with Flock and they've been removed from the city. Unfortunately, most of the rest of Larimer County remains infested.

https://www.kunc.org/news/2026-06-1...-collection-to-stop-and-cameras-to-be-removed

Salient points I noted from reading Fort Collins' contracts with Flock are: 1. it's expensive - each camera was over $7,000 2. Flock owns everything - the hardware, data, etc., and Fort Collins had effectively no oversight into how the data they gathered was used. This means we were paying Flock to train its AI systems, which it would then use to make more money (privatize the gains, socialize the losses!).

One bright spot of this issue is it seems to be uniting many folks on the right and left.
 
are closed said:
Who will be put in its place? Freedom citizens with guns?
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Did I say remove funding? Police for many towns are used a revenue source to pull people over and give tickets. Here in NJ there was a time the police would have inspection checkpoints for vehicle inspections and emissions, which turned out to be illegal. Chris Christie's 2013 bridgegate was illegal and was convicted of federal crimes. We have cops that have nothing better to do but use Flock to track people for their own person interests, which again is illegal.

So when I say defund, I mean less funding. Flock costs money to use, and having cops with extra time on their hands is costing money. They clearly don't serve the people.

View: https://youtu.be/G61APi9jB3o?si=jarvryExnEDYL_Or
 
DukenukemX said:
Did I say remove funding? Police for many towns are used a revenue source to pull people over and give tickets. Here in NJ there was a time the police would have inspection checkpoints for vehicle inspections and emissions, which turned out to be illegal. Chris Christie's 2013 bridgegate was illegal and was convicted of federal crimes. We have cops that have nothing better to do but use Flock to track people for their own person interests, which again is illegal.

So when I say defund, I mean less funding. Flock costs money to use, and having cops with extra time on their hands is costing money. They clearly don't serve the people.

View: https://youtu.be/G61APi9jB3o?si=jarvryExnEDYL_Or
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While I am totally with you on this, surely you understand where the confusion comes from thought, right?

In English, the prefix "de" means to remove or get rid of something. Its not proper to use it to mean reduction. (though I understand why activists are using the term, because it is much easier to say and chant than "reduce police funding" or something like that.
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
While I am totally with you on this, surely you understand where the confusion comes from thought, right?

In English, the prefix "de" means to remove or get rid of something. Its not proper to use it to mean reduction. (though I understand why activists are using the term, because it is much easier to say and chant than "reduce police funding" or something like that.
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I don't think when people say defund they mean no funding. At that point we'd become the Purge. You obviously need police.
 
DukenukemX said:
I don't think when people say defund they mean no funding. At that point we'd become the Purge. You obviously need police.
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I totally agree with you. I just think the term "de" is what makes those on the right of the political spectrum roll their eyes, because they se "de-" and interpret it literally, and then rightfully consider that a crazy proposition.

It has been my long held belief that most people on both sides of the political spectrum are actually closer together on most issues than it appears in the political debates and arguments and it is misinterpretations (intentional or otherwise) that drives wedges between us.

Note: I am treading very carefully here to keep this on the side of making observations on the nature of politics, not making any kind of political argument, which would be against forum rules.
 
There's more abuse being caught from Police. You got misuse of the Flock system by two Reynoldsburg police officers and Savannah Police Department fires 6 employees over Flock Safety System misuse. Then you have Police who are told not to mention the use of Flock.
https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-ne...k-to-search-plate-of-likely-domestic-partner/
https://www.404media.co/do-not-ment...ps-are-trying-to-hide-the-existence-of-flock/
https://www.wtoc.com/2026/08/07/sav...-6-employees-over-flock-safety-system-misuse/

"“DO NOT MENTION ALPR USAGE TO THE OCCUPANTS OF THE VEHICLE,” the policy document reads. “DO NOT MENTION ALPR USAGE IN YOUR REPORT OR COMPLAINT UNLESS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.” "

 
Meanwhile in rhode island...

https://www.newportthisweek.com/art...es-375k-privately-funded-flock-drone-program/

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Flock sounds friendly, not going to lie:D Makes you want to pet one!

In my opinion, in a perfect world, it is a good tool. But, since we are dealing with human nature, this tool falls victim to misuse.

It's like going to either expensive restaurant or "Billy and Joel's": if you have a cook who is not sanitary, they can forget to wash hands after bathroom and prepare your meal in either restaurant that way.
 
mnewxcv said:
Meanwhile in rhode island...

https://www.newportthisweek.com/art...es-375k-privately-funded-flock-drone-program/

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While the Police abuse is a big problem, we tend to forget why cities are approving Flock, which is to make money. Giving people tickets is a huge source of revenue for many municipalities, and will happily ruin peoples days just to make a quick buck. Flock is just another source of revenue by giving people more fines. It's a huge concern when a broken AI can look through Flock footage and give out tickets without taking you to court and going in front of a judge. It's guilty until proven innocent, all to make money for cities and towns. Especially now that people have Waze and Google maps reporting Police locations, it's getting harder to generate that extra revenue for these municipalities.
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DukenukemX said:
...AI can look through Flock footage and give out tickets without taking you to court and going in front of a judge. It's guilty until proven innocent, ...
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While the quoted text is disappointing, this particular citation happened in Australia, not USA.

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ai-traffic-cameras-road-safety-debate-1808990


Although Campbell's story made headlines across the US, the incident actually took place in Queensland, Australia, where mobile phone laws for drivers are among the toughest in the world. She was fined AUD$1,251 (about US$820) after an AI-assisted mobile phone detection camera captured an image showing her phone resting face-down on her lap.

Under Queensland law, drivers are not allowed to hold a phone or have it resting on any part of their body, including their lap, even if they are not using it. AI detection cameras are used to identify suspected offences and all images are reviewed by an authorised officer before a penalty is issued.
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DukenukemX said:
While the Police abuse is a big problem, we tend to forget why cities are approving Flock, which is to make money. Giving people tickets is a huge source of revenue for many municipalities, and will happily ruin peoples days just to make a quick buck. Flock is just another source of revenue by giving people more fines. It's a huge concern when a broken AI can look through Flock footage and give out tickets without taking you to court and going in front of a judge. It's guilty until proven innocent, all to make money for cities and towns. Especially now that people have Waze and Google maps reporting Police locations, it's getting harder to generate that extra revenue for these municipalities.
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As someone who cycles regularly around the city, I can tell you with utmost certainty that many drivers deserve to be cited for the constant reckless driving that become so normalized. Yellow light? Speed up or you'll miss your chance. Just turned red? Run it. Stop sign? Why stop when you can slow down and yield, then gun it when you get to the middle of the intersection. Pedestrian trying to cross at the cross walk and the crosswalk lights are blinking? Pedestrians can wait until there is a break in traffic.

This might be an unpopular opinion, but it's my own. Bring on the flock cameras and start heavily ticketing reckless drivers. You know it has gotten ridiculous when you are pretty much required to have dash cams in order to prove that you were not at fault in an accident because on top of being reckless drivers, they also lie through their teeth to avoid insurance hikes.
 
are closed said:
While the quoted text is disappointing, this particular citation happened in Australia, not USA.

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ai-traffic-cameras-road-safety-debate-1808990
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Does it matter? I can't imagine Australians are in a different position than us Americans?
ZeroBarrier said:
As someone who cycles regularly around the city, I can tell you with utmost certainty that many drivers deserve to be cited for the constant reckless driving that become so normalized. Yellow light? Speed up or you'll miss your chance. Just turned red? Run it. Stop sign? Why stop when you can slow down and yield, then gun it when you get to the middle of the intersection. Pedestrian trying to cross at the cross walk and the crosswalk lights are blinking? Pedestrians can wait until there is a break in traffic.
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Police do it too but nobody is giving them tickets. I even got an interesting story to back this up, and it even includes a bike, or more specifically a BMW motorcycle. About four to five years ago my uncle was on his way upstate NY on the throughway and behind him some dude on a BMW motorcycle was flying super fast and hit the back left of his Pathfinder. Dude instantly flies over the divider onto oncoming traffic. Back left quarter panel was squished in real good too for what is a motorbike. Turns out, the dude was an off duty cop who wasn't alone. To make matters worse, him and his buddies had blacked out license plates. You think this off duty cop got a ticket for speeding, or having blacked out plates? Not only that, but he tried to take my uncle to court for switching lanes at the last minute, and he tried for many years. Insurance was baffled by this guy trying to sue for what was clearly his fault.

Now tell me, you think the system is fair enough to give authority access to Flock with broken AI? The system is already heavily skewed against you, and it doesn't need to be more so.
This might be an unpopular opinion, but it's my own. Bring on the flock cameras and start heavily ticketing reckless drivers. You know it has gotten ridiculous when you are pretty much required to have dash cams in order to prove that you were not at fault in an accident because on top of being reckless drivers, they also lie through their teeth to avoid insurance hikes.
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Sounds good on paper but bad in practice. "A suburban New York police official accused of driving the getaway car for her son's alleged gang shooting."
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I'm gonna repeat myself because it bears repeating, but do you want to give authority like this, that kind of power, because some people cut you off on the road?
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DukenukemX said:
Police do it too but nobody is giving them tickets. I even got an interesting story to back this up, and it even includes a bike, or more specifically a BMW motorcycle. About four to five years ago my uncle was on his way upstate NY on the throughway and behind him some dude on a BMW motorcycle was flying super fast and hit the back left of his Pathfinder. Dude instantly flies over the divider onto oncoming traffic. Back left quarter panel was squished in real good too for what is a motorbike. Turns out, the dude was an off duty cop who wasn't alone. To make matters worse, him and his buddies had blacked out license plates. You think this off duty cop got a ticket for speeding, or having blacked out plates? Not only that, but he tried to take my uncle to court for switching lanes at the last minute, and he tried for many years. Insurance was baffled by this guy trying to sue for what was clearly his fault.

Now tell me, you think the system is fair enough to give authority access to Flock with broke AI? The system is already heavily skewed against you, and it doesn't need to be more so.

Sounds good on paper but bad in practice. "A suburban New York police official accused of driving the getaway car for her son's alleged gang shooting."
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I'm gonna repeat myself because it bears repeating, but do you want to give authority like this, that kind of power, because some people cut you off on the road?
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Never said any of that. Giving unfettered access to anyone for a system of this nature is quite possibly one of the largest boneheaded moves in decades. Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. You would have thought that we would have learned this ancient lesson ages ago, but here we are, suffering through the choices of people that enjoy private security and hefty amounts of "understanding".
 
ZeroBarrier said:
As someone who cycles regularly around the city, I can tell you with utmost certainty that many drivers deserve to be cited for the constant reckless driving that become so normalized. Yellow light? Speed up or you'll miss your chance. Just turned red? Run it. Stop sign? Why stop when you can slow down and yield, then gun it when you get to the middle of the intersection. Pedestrian trying to cross at the cross walk and the crosswalk lights are blinking? Pedestrians can wait until there is a break in traffic.

This might be an unpopular opinion, but it's my own. Bring on the flock cameras and start heavily ticketing reckless drivers. You know it has gotten ridiculous when you are pretty much required to have dash cams in order to prove that you were not at fault in an accident because on top of being reckless drivers, they also lie through their teeth to avoid insurance hikes.
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Don't even bother arguing it's a religious crusade for him.
 
After we find so many drivers driving around recklessly, the next step will be prevention methods integrated into the cars. Either with an override to prevent you from breaking laws, or an automated fine system built in when you break laws based on your gps location. :p
 
Darunion said:
After we find so many drivers driving around recklessly, the next step will be prevention methods integrated into the cars. Either with an override to prevent you from breaking laws, or an automated fine system built in when you break laws based on your gps location. :p
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Yep. They will just slowly intrude on our rights more and more as long as we keep allowing it.
 
LAPD abandons Flock cameras:
a July 10 audit by the LAPD ... caught the department’s ALPR cameras generating 161 false stolen-vehicle alerts in just two months — each one ending with officers pulling over an innocent driver. ... the LAPD’s cameras carry an error rate of 32.3 percent, effectively giving officers a one-in-three chance at pulling an innocent person over.
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GoldenTiger said:
That would be the fault of human entered license plate data, not flock.
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That's only the tip of the iceberg:

“This contract is not being renewed because of serious concerns around civil liberties and civil rights issues, particularly around privacy and the data that is being collected from these cameras,” LAPD’s chief information officer Dean Gialamas told ABC in a statement.
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DukenukemX said:
While the Police abuse is a big problem, we tend to forget why cities are approving Flock, which is to make money. Giving people tickets is a huge source of revenue for many municipalities, and will happily ruin peoples days just to make a quick buck. Flock is just another source of revenue by giving people more fines. It's a huge concern when a broken AI can look through Flock footage and give out tickets without taking you to court and going in front of a judge. It's guilty until proven innocent, all to make money for cities and towns. Especially now that people have Waze and Google maps reporting Police locations, it's getting harder to generate that extra revenue for these municipalities.
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Make money for the city? More likely that the council members and/or mayor were paid off quite nicely to sign the contract. Make more money for them, city/town coffers are a secondary concern.
 
Darunion said:
After we find so many drivers driving around recklessly, the next step will be prevention methods integrated into the cars. Either with an override to prevent you from breaking laws, or an automated fine system built in when you break laws based on your gps location. :p
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They already do this with OnStar sharing with data brokers and insurance companies to increase premiums.
GoldenTiger said:
That would be the fault of human entered license plate data, not flock.
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A 32% error rate is alarmingly high. Maybe we shouldn't be pulling people over based on AI footage?
 
DukenukemX said:
Damn right it is. Considering the amount of anti-Flock, it has become a crusade. Flock is a system meant to be abused to maximize profit, at the expense of the people.
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That's not what it is meant for. That is your personal belief based on your personal experience or lack thereof.
 
DukenukemX said:
Everything I don't like is a terrorist. We lived through this in the early 2000's and laughed at our politicians for it, and now they're doing it again and we can't even fake laugh at them because it causes real pain. Cut them down, or throw paint on them.
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To give you an idea how old this terrorism propaganda is, here's a clip from Oxhorn's video on making fun on the whole terror thing, back during WOTLK.
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That's not what it is meant for. That is your personal belief based on your personal experience or lack thereof.
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Then take away the ability to give out tickets based on Flock footage and see how quickly Flock gets dumped? If you limit Flock to search and rescue and not search and ticket then municipalities would dump it harder than our constitution. The more we learn about Flock, the more reasons we have to hate it.

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/ZeheNe_-6uU?si=ZXLL2nbplsrqNv5o
 
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