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12 states sue to block Paramount's acquisition of Warner Bros. Discovery

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https://www.npr.org/2026/07/13/nx-s1-5879286/paramount-warner-bros-discovery-lawsuit

"A dozen states, led by California, are suing to block Paramount from buying Warner Bros. Discovery in a Hollywood mega-merger that would unite some of the nation's largest movie studios, television newsrooms, and other entertainment properties.

"The unlawful merger of these two entertainment behemoths would lead to higher prices, lower quality, and less content for film and television, harming movie theaters, basic cable distributors, and ultimately, audiences on every sofa and movie theater seat in the U.S.," California Attorney General Rob Bonta said in a statement announcing the suit, which was filed in federal court in California's Northern District."
 
Not sure stopping old hollywood/newscaster last attempt to try to survive againt the new drain on attention by new media to be really something that would actual help to have more competition in the future. (in a world of apple, netflix, amazon, tiktok, google and co.... if a single old non Disney studio all merged together would survive it would already be excellent)

That sound like when they did try to stop Blockbuster to acquire smaller competitor in 2006.... and the chain blockbuster tried to acquire simply went completely bankrupt the next year.
 
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LukeTbk said:
Not sure stopping old hollywood/newscaster last attempt to try to survive againt the new drain on attention by new media to be really something that would actual lead to less competition in the future. (in a world of apple, netflix, amazon, tiktok, google and co.... if a single old non Disney studio all merged together would survive it would already be excellent)
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That is not reason for this lawsuit.

"The unlawful merger of these two entertainment behemoths would lead to higher prices, lower quality, and less content for film and television, harming movie theaters, basic cable distributors, and ultimately, audiences on every sofa and movie theater seat in the U.S.," California Attorney General Rob Bonta said in a statement announcing the suit"
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Those are all lies they don't care at all about the consumer. If it was Netflix instead of Paramount this lawsuit would not exist. It is all about who owns Paramount.

Now take this to Soapbox before it gets locked.
 
a you could be right the idea that they do not see the parrallel with the Blockbuster and many previous attempts could be too big, they just do not want the Ellison to own more things. specially if they said nothing on the Disney takeover of Fox at the time survival against bigtech already made it clear that merger could be good for competition (we saw that with cable sport TV, as they could not acquire those because of ESPN as there the competition with big tech was not so clear)
 
LukeTbk said:
a you could be right the idea that they do not see the parrallel with the Blockbuster and many previous attempts could be too big, they just do not want the Ellison to own more things. specially if they said nothing on the Disney takeover of Fox at the time survival against bigtech already made it clear that merger could be good for competition (we saw that with cable sport TV, as they could not acquire those because of ESPN as there the competition with big tech was not so clear)
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Read the article. One name is repeated often and it is not a consumer.
 
LukeTbk said:
Not sure stopping old hollywood/newscaster last attempt to try to survive againt the new drain on attention by new media to be really something that would actual help to have more competition in the future. (in a world of apple, netflix, amazon, tiktok, google and co.... if a single old non Disney studio all merged together would survive it would already be excellent)

That sound like when they did try to stop Blockbuster to acquire smaller competitor in 2006.... and the chain blockbuster tried to acquire simply went completely bankrupt the next year.
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I don't get why people cheer on the creation of bigger and bigger corporations with less and less competition. Look at Microsoft and gaming right now. They gobbled up tons of studios and basically ended up killing a bunch of them in the process. Any time you see this massive level of consolidation you end up with less competition and a degradation in quality and an increase in price. It happens without fail. I don't care who the owner is but creating bigger corporations is not the answer.
 
Ididar said:
I don't get why people cheer on the creation of bigger and bigger corporations with less and less competition. Look at Microsoft and gaming right now. They gobbled up tons of studios and basically ended up killing a bunch of them in the process. Any time you see this massive level of consolidation you end up with less competition and a degradation in quality and an increase in price. It happens without fail. I don't care who the owner is but creating bigger corporations is not the answer.
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Quite the mystery. Better that they die and something takes their place or not.
 
Prince Valiant said:
Quite the mystery. Better that they die and something takes their place or not.
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Agreed. If they need less competition to survive then they're not a viable business. Let them fail and then people can buy up the assets if they think they can make any use of it. Continuing to prop these businesses up by consolidation leading to higher consumer prices is not the way to go.
 
Ididar said:
Agreed. If they need less competition to survive then they're not a viable business. Let them fail and then people can buy up the assets if they think they can make any use of it. Continuing to prop these businesses up by consolidation leading to higher consumer prices is not the way to go.
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I mean if they just let the company fail and get bought up by random people, it will just end up getting scooped back up by paramount in smaller pieces at a lower price.
 
Ididar said:
I don't get why people cheer on the creation of bigger and bigger corporations with less and less competition. Look at Microsoft and gaming right now. They gobbled up tons of studios and basically ended up killing a bunch of them in the process. Any time you see this massive level of consolidation you end up with less competition and a degradation in quality and an increase in price. It happens without fail. I don't care who the owner is but creating bigger corporations is not the answer.
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It is not necessarily a choice, not wanting to block old studio merging is not necessarily wanting less competition, it is wanting to have Disney + new studio (google, apple, amazon, netflix, etc...) + something else, people want the something else to be paramount, warner, sony, Lionsgate, Universal all competing, some think that if the non DIsney studio want to be relevant and compete merging is not a bad idea.

You can look at the mid 2000 goverment blocking Blockbuster acquisition for an example of that, it did not help competition at all, it destroyed it by removing all rental place instead of maybe surviving as a monopoly instead and being a competition to the online streamers/renter/seller. Same idea here, maybe we could have a Disney/Fox-2 otheres merged old studio/all the new, if goverment try to think they know what best for studios and us and decide it is try to force all of them surviving alone maybe they will all fail, destroying competition by blocking merger (like they very often did).

Has for bigger and bigger corporation seen as bad for consumer, all the small Bic lighter are made by the same company, they cost only 30-45 cent to reseller because of that, not despite of that. Concentration of labors and economy of scales do exists.

It is not true that less competition mean an increase of price, you just need some competition, concentration often goes with a reduction. going from hundreds of small car maker to a few giant created a superbe drop in price, few massive costco-walmart has well, you need some competition but you also want some concentration for scales, optimised division of labors that can only come with large employees base and supply chain optimisation... the ideal for consumer price number is not always (about never) the most players possible in the space surviving, but only the few best at it competing.
 
LukeTbk said:
It is not necessarily a choice, not wanting to block old studio merging is not necessarily wanting less competition, it is wanting to have Disney + new studio (google, apple, amazon, netflix, etc...) + something else, people want the something else to be paramount, warner, sony, Lionsgate, Universal all competing, some think that if the non DIsney studio want to be relevant and compete merging is not a bad idea.

You can look at the mid 2000 goverment blocking Blockbuster acquisition for an example of that, it did not help competition at all, it destroyed it by removing all rental place instead of maybe surviving as a monopoly instead and being a competition to the online streamers/renter/seller.
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I do not want to argue with your main point because I do not have an opinion but this is a bad example. Streaming was going to kill Blockbuster no matter what.
 
rinaldo00 said:
I do not want to argue with your main point because I do not have an opinion but this is a bad example. Streaming was going to kill Blockbuster no matter what.
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and new media will kill those old studios no matter what probably, but give them a fighting chance at least. (same for blockbuster back in the days, blockbuster was used to show an clear case than blocking merger was obviously not a good idea for consummer future amount of choice offered to them, so we agree that like for evreything it is always a case by case affair without any easy rules of thumbs to apply).

Disney-Fox teamed up together and that entity could survive for century.... if the other next 5-6 biggest studio form other 2 entity maybe they could has well and 3 big legacy studio would not be bad at all, much better than just Disney and just small indie style affair.
 
I don't really care because I don't watch any of this slop but it just looks like an excuse for politicians to pat themselves on the back. Warner Bros Discovery will probably go out of business in a couple years and consumers will actually have "less content" just like how Spirit Airlines did shortly after they were blocked from getting aquired by JetBlue.
 
Eshelmen said:
"The unlawful merger of these two entertainment behemoths would lead to higher prices, lower quality, and less content for film and television, harming movie theaters, basic cable distributors, and ultimately, audiences on every sofa and movie theater seat in the U.S.," California Attorney General Rob Bonta said in a statement announcing the suit, which was filed in federal court in California's Northern District."
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Yeah, I don't think the quality from Hollywood can get much lower than it already is. There's a reason they're losing to Youtube content creators.

I suspect much of the motivation here is simply political. The list of states participating appear to be generally more aligned with the Democrats, whereas Ellison is more aligned with the Republicans as I understand. Also, Ellison has floated moving Paramount out of California, which would sap tons of revenue from the state and risk setting a precedent leading to a general exodus given California's uncompetitive tax and labour situation, not to mention Paramount's news properties.

Hollywood was initially established because it gave filmmakers access to pretty much every conceivable geography for filming in a central location. California has quick access to mountains, beaches, ocean, grasslands, whatever you need. That's less and less relevant with movie production now since so many are filmed in a studio on a green screen, so what difference does it make if that studio is in LA or in Texas, or New York, or the UK? There's still a need for access to film locations, but you can travel there at a lower cost than keeping the rest of the production in California and dealing with the taxes and labour conditions that come with it.
 
LukeTbk said:
It is not necessarily a choice, not wanting to block old studio merging is not necessarily wanting less competition, it is wanting to have Disney + new studio (google, apple, amazon, netflix, etc...) + something else, people want the something else to be paramount, warner, sony, Lionsgate, Universal all competing, some think that if the non DIsney studio want to be relevant and compete merging is not a bad idea.
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Or, blocking the merger might force both parties to compete more and raise quality and lower pricing. I have little hope of that, but large scale consolidation like this rarely helps the consumer. Again, Microsoft scooping up all those studios absolutely ruined them and here we have something similar and people are happy?
 
Larry and David Ellison are trying to buy Paramount and if you know anything about these guys, you know they're not with USA but a certain country in the middle east. They're trying to buy up all the media to use it to influence people's perception of said country in the middle east. Look up why Larry bought TikTok.
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wizzi01 said:
Them threatening to move is because of the lawsuit.
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Nah, they started the process long before the lawsuit. Hollywood has been moving to Texas since 2023.
The taxes are much lower, and there is a lot less work involved in filming in Texas.
Not to mention the sound stages are bigger, newer, and better equipped, as are the campus facilities.
Between the huge projects in Fort Worth, Mansfield, and Bastrop, studios are putting a lot of money into getting out of California.
 
Lakados said:
Nah, they started the process long before the lawsuit. Hollywood has been moving to Texas since 2023.
The taxes are much lower, and there is a lot less work involved in filming in Texas.
Not to mention the sound stages are bigger, newer, and better equipped, as are the campus facilities.
Between the huge projects in Fort Worth, Mansfield, and Bastrop, studios are putting a lot of money into getting out of California.
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https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/b...suit-warner-bros-discovery-merger-1236646241/
 
rinaldo00 said:
That is not reason for this lawsuit.



Those are all lies they don't care at all about the consumer. If it was Netflix instead of Paramount this lawsuit would not exist. It is all about who owns Paramount.

Now take this to Soapbox before it gets locked.
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You are only partially correct. The very people promoting these suits to block the sale to the Ellisons were also against the sale to Netflix. If you go back and look at the history you'll see the same people praising the sale to the Ellisons over the sale to Netflix. At this time they didn't want a "streaming company" to buy a Hollywood company because streaming has been eating Hollywood's lunch for quite a while and they're bitter about that.

Once that sale fell through they moved on to hating the sale to the Ellisons. For many it's an ideological hate despite the fact the Ellisons really aren't much different from Hollywood. It's only an association they don't like.

However, some of them woke up to the stupidity of the merger, mainly the guilds. They've finally realized that all the mergers mean fewer movies and shows being made which means fewer actors needed, fewer writers needed and fewer "experts to push the smoke machine button for 300k" needed. These mergers are shrinking their membership base which means less dues and less money and power for the people running the guilds.

I've been 100% against anyone buying Paramount from the beginning. These huge mergers are good for no one. Every single time one of these mega mergers happen it results in fewer movies and shows being made. Bigger companies also take fewer risks so you end up seeing the exact same boring slop over and over.

The best option would have been for Paramount to die (as it should) and be sold off piecemeal to a lot of different people. Some of the IP would end up being purchased by large corporations but at least some of it would be bought by people or companies which otherwise couldn't afford to do so and they will actually make good use of the IP. We would see increased movies and shows and competition. It would also show the rest of Hollywood that Hollywood isn't too big to fail.

Instead we're stuck with a buyout of a company billions of dollars in debt by another company which is billions of dollars in debt. Most of the IP will be shelved as considered unprofitable and the supposedly profitable IP will be run into the ground until there's nothing left.

There's a reason hardly any films are made in Hollywood anymore and the ones that are tend to fail. There's also a reason why so many people are getting their entertainment elsewhere. People are bored of the same old safe slop Hollywood is putting out. Look at the standout or surprising movies of the year so far: Iron Lung, Obsession and Backrooms. Movies made outside Hollywood by people with no part in the Hollywood game on tiny budgets. These movies were taking risks in being made and it paid off. Obsession had a budget of $750,000 dollars and it has done over $400,000,000 at the box office. Hollywood and companies like Paramount aren't capable of that anymore.
 
SmokeRngs said:
There's a reason hardly any films are made in Hollywood anymore and the ones that are tend to fail. There's also a reason why so many people are getting their entertainment elsewhere. People are bored of the same old safe slop Hollywood is putting out. Look at the standout or surprising movies of the year so far: Iron Lung, Obsession and Backrooms. Movies made outside Hollywood by people with no part in the Hollywood game on tiny budgets. These movies were taking risks in being made and it paid off. Obsession had a budget of $750,000 dollars and it has done over $400,000,000 at the box office. Hollywood and companies like Paramount aren't capable of that anymore.
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The good news is that Hollywood hasn't been relevant in over 20 years, and whatever the Ellisons have planned will end up beating a dead horse. Media has long since left Hollywood in favor of many other avenues.

  1. Online content has long since been popular, and only gotten more popular during the pandemic. We've long had things like Red Vs Blue and RWBY, but now we have Hazbin Hotel and Digital Circus. If people like it they vote with their wallet, which is how we get these. I could give dozens more examples, but you get the idea.
  2. Video games have also been a big source of entertainment. Remember when they made the Ghostbusters game back in 2009? Dan Aykroyd and Harold Ramis claimed it was like the 3rd movie. This has long since been the case since the 90's. A lot of popular games are even made by Indie developers.
  3. Anime has taken over the world. Don't care what anyone thinks but Anime was not a mistake. Since the introduction to DragonBall Z in the 90's, it has grown to be a juggernaut. Whenever Hollywood tries to replicate this, it looks pathetic usually.

Basically, entertainment is now democratized and people watch what they like, and in some cases make what they like. The Ellisons are buying up Hollywood for not good reasons, and will likely just beat a dead horse. Megan Ellison who is Larry Ellison's daughter helped fund Mixtape the game. That didn't go well. The Ellison's will only beat that dead horse into a pulp, which is why a lot of people are concerned.

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/qeuCbUtldO8?si=nlVxjcrXr69TS69W
 
For Ellison, this is also about getting his hands on CNN as well which is part of the deal. It also sucks in DC studios, MLB Network, HGTV, the whole Discovery package, and a host of other legacy channels and all that content. People are seeing the face which is a big movie studio but there is a lot of stuff behind that face. This is more than just about a big legacy movie studio. The whole operation was due to split this year before talks of being purchased came up. They were going to split the movie and TV parts of the company and allow them to focus in an effort to increase viability. Now that's all been shelved while merger talks go on.
 
SmokeRngs said:
I've been 100% against anyone buying Paramount from the beginning. These huge mergers are good for no one. Every single time one of these mega mergers happen it results in fewer movies and shows being made. Bigger companies also take fewer risks so you end up seeing the exact same boring slop over and over.
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Paramount is not for sell, Warner is and it would be an acquisition (like Disney buying Fox) this time not a merger, an all-0ash acquisition even.

Disney-Fox did not close Fox Searchlight, those big studios tend to all have sub divisions made to take swing, not sure if we would see a moment post and pre merger.

Paramount could very well let ClockWork continue, those big company now the issues that come with bigness and all launch small independant sub entity to create the diverse slate, sony: picture classic, Universal: Focus Feature, Paramount -Miramax or via distribution deal with a stay independent blumhouse production style partner with Universal/Lionsgate.

DukenukemX said:
The good news is that Hollywood hasn't been relevant in over 20 years,
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To a point Games of Thrones was a giant affair, same for Marvel and other stuff, people saying that usually do not go how large TV got and how much it was Hollywood making it, it was funny to see take of the sort cable tv is teaching/showing Hollywood or better then... when it was made by Warner Brother (HBO) and Netflix office are in hollywood and is Hollywood (it is run a lot and the production are made by traditional studio people now), there is a difference between Hollywood and legacy studio.

Last of Us and many other narrative heavy game are also Hollywood heavy.
 
Ididar said:
I don't get why people cheer on the creation of bigger and bigger corporations with less and less competition. Look at Microsoft and gaming right now. They gobbled up tons of studios and basically ended up killing a bunch of them in the process. Any time you see this massive level of consolidation you end up with less competition and a degradation in quality and an increase in price. It happens without fail. I don't care who the owner is but creating bigger corporations is not the answer.
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Spirit Airlines died because the government blocked JetBlue's acquisition of them, ironically killing competition.
 
DukenukemX said:
The good news is that Hollywood hasn't been relevant in over 20 years, and whatever the Ellisons have planned will end up beating a dead horse. Media has long since left Hollywood in favor of many other avenues.

  1. Online content has long since been popular, and only gotten more popular during the pandemic. We've long had things like Red Vs Blue and RWBY, but now we have Hazbin Hotel and Digital Circus. If people like it they vote with their wallet, which is how we get these. I could give dozens more examples, but you get the idea.
  2. Video games have also been a big source of entertainment. Remember when they made the Ghostbusters game back in 2009? Dan Aykroyd and Harold Ramis claimed it was like the 3rd movie. This has long since been the case since the 90's. A lot of popular games are even made by Indie developers.
  3. Anime has taken over the world. Don't care what anyone thinks but Anime was not a mistake. Since the introduction to DragonBall Z in the 90's, it has grown to be a juggernaut. Whenever Hollywood tries to replicate this, it looks pathetic usually.

Basically, entertainment is now democratized and people watch what they like, and in some cases make what they like. The Ellisons are buying up Hollywood for not good reasons, and will likely just beat a dead horse. Megan Ellison who is Larry Ellison's daughter helped fund Mixtape the game. That didn't go well. The Ellison's will only beat that dead horse into a pulp, which is why a lot of people are concerned.

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/qeuCbUtldO8?si=nlVxjcrXr69TS69W
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Not disagreeing with you since you even mentioned Ellison buying Tiktok earlier, but there's still a huge section of the country that are older and identify with "legacy" media including hollywood and have name recognition and place trust in brands like Paramount. Those people also happen to vote and have tons - actually the most - money of any age group.

So you are correct, but it's still worth capturing every side of the market, including one that is dying but is still valuable.
 
myzz said:
Not disagreeing with you since you even mentioned Ellison buying Tiktok earlier
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It is only US operations and it is not just Ellison.

A consortium led by Oracle, MGX Fund Management Limited, and Silver Lake each acquired a fifteen percent share in TikTok USDS, while an additional five percent comprise other investors. The remaining fifty percent is held by "affiliates of certain existing investors of ByteDance" and by ByteDance itself. The investors include Michael Dell's family office; Vastmere Strategic Investments, an affiliate of Susquehanna International Group; Alpha Wave Partners; Revolution; Merritt Way, a subsidiary of Dragoneer Investment Group; Via Nova, an affiliate of General Atlantic; Virgo LI, the investment company operated by a foundation established by Yuri and Julia Milner; and NJJ Capital, Xavier Niel's family office.
 
The only good thing to come out of the sale of Paramount is that maybe we’ll get good Star Trek again. Maybe. It’s been more than 20 years since someone suitable for control of the IP was running it.
 
LukeTbk said:
To a point Games of Thrones was a giant affair, same for Marvel and other stuff, people saying that usually do not go how large TV got and how much it was Hollywood making it, it was funny to see take of the sort cable tv is teaching/showing Hollywood or better then... when it was made by Warner Brother (HBO) and Netflix office are in hollywood and is Hollywood (it is run a lot and the production are made by traditional studio people now), there is a difference between Hollywood and legacy studio.
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Once in a blue moon you do see something good from Hollywood, but man do they fuck up. Do I have to remind you how Sonic the Movie originally looked like? Tyson Hesse the lead animator for Sonic Mania was responsible for fixing Sonic Movie.

View: https://youtu.be/nqMSMvncku4?si=BauTfD_RqVO1eYyh
Last of Us and many other narrative heavy game are also Hollywood heavy.
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That's not Hollywood, that's a AAA video game.
myzz said:
Not disagreeing with you since you even mentioned Ellison buying Tiktok earlier, but there's still a huge section of the country that are older and identify with "legacy" media including hollywood and have name recognition and place trust in brands like Paramount. Those people also happen to vote and have tons - actually the most - money of any age group.

So you are correct, but it's still worth capturing every side of the market, including one that is dying but is still valuable.
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The elderly are likely in support of whatever propaganda Ellison is looking to push. TikTok was bought specifically to prevent the yutes from seeing things happening that makes them not like a certain country in the middle east. I didn't say these are smart people, but that is their intentions. Same reason they're buying these movie studios, because they think the yutes still care about movies and whatever TV shows they stream on Paramount Plus.
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rinaldo00 said:
It is only US operations and it is not just Ellison.

A consortium led by Oracle, MGX Fund Management Limited, and Silver Lake each acquired a fifteen percent share in TikTok USDS, while an additional five percent comprise other investors. The remaining fifty percent is held by "affiliates of certain existing investors of ByteDance" and by ByteDance itself. The investors include Michael Dell's family office; Vastmere Strategic Investments, an affiliate of Susquehanna International Group; Alpha Wave Partners; Revolution; Merritt Way, a subsidiary of Dragoneer Investment Group; Via Nova, an affiliate of General Atlantic; Virgo LI, the investment company operated by a foundation established by Yuri and Julia Milner; and NJJ Capital, Xavier Niel's family office.
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You should learn more about the Ellisons. How do I put it without making this too political. Look up which army he funds. Hint, it isn't USA.
 
DukenukemX said:
Larry and David Ellison are trying to buy Paramount and if you know anything about these guys, you know they're not with USA but a certain country in the middle east. They're trying to buy up all the media to use it to influence people's perception of said country in the middle east. Look up why Larry bought TikTok.
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I think you’ll find the previous owners have the exact same position as the new owners on that country.

Where they differ is that the pervious owners were pushing fringe left politics into its programming at the expense of profits. The new owners will probably push technocratic ultra capitalist programming, but with a lighter touch to win back viewers, and tie it in with all their AI investments.
 
DukenukemX said:
That's not Hollywood, that's a AAA video game.
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If the giant hollywood movie studio spin off for games playstation studio located in Los Angeles (Santa monica) making games with Naugthy dog (Los angeles studio, also in Santa monica) with ~hundreds of hollywood card member involved in the production that will have is hollywood TV show spin off made is not Hollywood, that fine, but it is quite adjacent.

Back in the days hollywood studios were not on TV (which was a big panic that it would destroy them) but big on radio, now tv became their main thing over time and they got into video game and the web, they evolve.

DukenukemX said:
Once in a blue moon you do see something good from Hollywood
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They had a good 2008-2016 stretch, a bit of a golden age almost, from Dark Knight, The social network, Toy Story 3/wall-e, Mad Max Fury Road, Inception/Interstellar, Inglorious Basterds/Django Unchained, the best Marvel hitter, Gravity, Wolf of wall street, The Martian, some years like 2010 or 2011 were just really strong. They initially turned the corner of the destruction of the DVD priting machine that peaked around 2005 quite well and certainly relevant when you looked at the world box office and movies post theatrical window popularity of the time.

On TV, it was a golden age
Breaking bad / Better Call Saul
MadMen
Game of Thrones
The Office / Park and Rec
Modern Family
Fargo/True Detective

New York also had a good run with Walking Deads and others, UK, south korea, but Hollywood was still the clear number 1 in the world by a large margin.
 
LukeTbk said:
If the giant hollywood movie studio spin off for games playstation studio located in Los Angeles (Santa monica) making games with Naugthy dog (Los angeles studio, also in Santa monica) with ~hundreds of hollywood card member involved in the production that will have is hollywood TV show spin off made is not Hollywood, that fine, but it is quite adjacent.

Back in the days hollywood studios were not on TV (which was a big panic that it would destroy them) but big on radio, now tv became their main thing over time and they got into video game and the web, they evolve.


They had a good 2008-2016 stretch, a bit of a golden age almost, from Dark Knight, The social network, Toy Story 3/wall-e, Mad Max Fury Road, Inception/Interstellar, Inglorious Basterds/Django Unchained, the best Marvel hitter, Gravity, Wolf of wall street, The Martian, some years like 2010 or 2011 were just really strong. They initially turned the corner of the destruction of the DVD priting machine that peaked around 2005 quite well and certainly relevant when you looked at the world box office and movies post theatrical window popularity of the time.

On TV, it was a golden age
Breaking bad / Better Call Saul
MadMen
Game of Thrones
The Office / Park and Rec
Modern Family
Fargo/True Detective

New York also had a good run with Walking Deads and others, UK, south korea, but Hollywood was still the clear number 1 in the world by a large margin.
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HAD a golden age. 2024 was terrible and so was 2025.

Hollywood's Downfall in 2024: A Year of Debacles and Political Shifts​

Why The 2025 Box Office Was A Major Disappointment (And A Bad Sign For The Future)​

 
LukeTbk said:
If the giant hollywood movie studio spin off for games playstation studio located in Los Angeles (Santa monica) making games with Naugthy dog (Los angeles studio, also in Santa monica) with ~hundreds of hollywood card member involved in the production that will have is hollywood TV show spin off made is not Hollywood, that fine, but it is quite adjacent.

Back in the days hollywood studios were not on TV (which was a big panic that it would destroy them) but big on radio, now tv became their main thing over time and they got into video game and the web, they evolve.


They had a good 2008-2016 stretch, a bit of a golden age almost, from Dark Knight, The social network, Toy Story 3/wall-e, Mad Max Fury Road, Inception/Interstellar, Inglorious Basterds/Django Unchained, the best Marvel hitter, Gravity, Wolf of wall street, The Martian, some years like 2010 or 2011 were just really strong. They initially turned the corner of the destruction of the DVD priting machine that peaked around 2005 quite well and certainly relevant when you looked at the world box office and movies post theatrical window popularity of the time.

On TV, it was a golden age
Breaking bad / Better Call Saul
MadMen
Game of Thrones
The Office / Park and Rec
Modern Family
Fargo/True Detective

New York also had a good run with Walking Deads and others, UK, south korea, but Hollywood was still the clear number 1 in the world by a large margin.
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Man, out of those tv shows I have only seen parks and rec and true detective season 1
 
rinaldo00 said:
HAD a golden age. 2024 was terrible and so was 2025.
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yup attention war and covid... maybe they will never bounce back, the claim made being debated that they were not relevant at all from 2006 to today. When in 2006 it was almost still peak Dvd craze and everyone was buying flatscreen TV to consume their product, Disney had that crazy run and opening theme park all around the world, got the TV golden age, their video games attempts did not all fail either, Netflix had great moments, long list of Hollywood cultural relevance going on during that stretch.

Has for 2025, yes box office is not goin well, but Netflix went from 33 billionm in 2023 to 45 billion in 2025, theatrical was always just one of the window and it stopped to be the biggest one a long time ago (since the mid 1980s, it wsa still super important because how much causality and correlation you had for the following one, but it was not the main money anymore all along)
 
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LukeTbk said:
yup attention war and covid... maybe they will never bounce back, the claim made being debated that they were not relevant at all from 2006 to today. When in 2006 it was almost still peak Dvd craze and everyone was buying flatscreen TV to consume their product, Disney had that crazy run and opening theme park all around the world, got the TV golden age, their video games attempts did not all fail either, Netflix had great moments, long list of Hollywood cultural relevance going on during that stretch.

Has for 2025, yes box office is not goin well, but went from 33 billionm in 2023 to 45 billion in 2025, theatrical was always just one of the window and it stopped to be the biggest one a long time ago (since the mid 1980s, it wsa still super important because how much causality and correlation you had for the following one, but it was not the main money anymore all along)
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I don't know where you got your numbers from and I know that this is an AI summary but that is not what I found


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2025 vs 2023 Global Box Office Comparison​

In 2025, the global box office totaled about $33.55 billion, which is roughly 1% lower than 2023’s $33.9 billion Koimoi.

Global totals​

  • 2023: $33.9 billion Koimoi
  • 2024: $30 billion (down from 2023) Koimoi
  • 2025: $33.55 billion (slightly down from 2023) Koimoi
This means 2025’s total was about 11.8% higher than 2024 but only 1% higher than 2023, showing uneven growth rather than a steady recovery Koimoi.
 
rinaldo00 said:
I don't know where you got your numbers from and I know that this is an AI summary but that is not what I found
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missed the Netflix in the sentence, Netflix annual revenues, Hollywood revenues shift over time, it went from being almost all TV/cable and DVD in 2004-2007 to now being a lot from streaming.
 
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