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Apple sues OpenAI accusing them of theft of trade secrets and other items.

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Damn, this is something else. https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/73602437/apple-inc-v-liu/

Here is a gifted article from the WSJ: https://www.wsj.com/tech/apple-openai-lawsuit-f86bd58c?st=Hk6YwU&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

Here is a round-up of the case from Macrumors: https://www.macrumors.com/2026/07/10/apple-sues-openai/

"At Apple, our teams are constantly developing breakthrough technologies to create the best products and services in the world, and protecting their work and intellectual property is something we take very seriously. Recently, significant evidence has emerged suggesting individuals employed by OpenAI wrongfully took Apple's secret and confidential information regarding our unreleased technologies, processes, and products. We will always defend our teams' hard work and innovations, and we are taking all appropriate steps to do so."
 
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I feel like this type of corporate espionage happens all the time behind the scenes. Trying to remember, wasn't there another AI company stealing secrets of some sorts on some sort of LLM? I can't recall.
 
NovaCloud said:
I feel like this type of corporate espionage happens all the time behind the scenes. Trying to remember, wasn't there another AI company stealing secrets of some sorts on some sort of LLM? I can't recall.
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DeepSeek was pretty blatant with it….

R1 would even refer to itself as either Claude or ChatGPT.
 
Lakados said:
DeepSeek was pretty blatant with it….

R1 would even refer to itself as either Claude or ChatGPT.
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If you mean the distilling, it's hard to think of an analogy that fits exactly, though that isn't really espionage since the output being trained with is publicly available. I suppose an analogy would be if some company had a crossword puzzle generator where you could query related crosswords by string, so a competitor brute-forced all queries to build their own equivalent (except it's also not quite like that since training is about learning on logic not mere reproduction).

The amusing part is so few of the public cares anyway since these companies are scraping all of humanity's output to train in the first place, leading to near-term tangible side effects like various sites reporting 90%+ of their traffic is now scraping bots and they have to foot the bill for the bandwidth since they ignore the robots.txt. There's a very 'world's tiniest violin' sentiment for when competing AI companies distill based on others' closed weight models given this.
 
uOpt said:
How exactly did the "taking" take place?
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"Apple is gunning for OpenAI, demanding steep penalties after stumbling on a “rare” bug that temporarily allowed a poached employee that joined OpenAI to maintain access to confidential information on Apple servers for weeks after his termination."

From arstechnica.
 
I mean these LLMs "took" from just about everyone out there, now we get lawsuit because OpenAI boozed up some Apple employees who don't know how to shut up?
 
uOpt said:
How exactly did the "taking" take place?
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According to Apple, OpenAI poached employees (fine) and then coached them on how and what data to take from Apple before leaving. If Apple can prove this, it’s pretty much a slam dunk case. OpenAI brought in 400+ Apple employees BTW. Basically, OpenAIs entire hardware team is all prior Apple.
 
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