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Aurelius said:
not the living room as a whole (where the problem was solved decades ago).
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To a certain level (if we talk pc gaming), HDMI made things easy in many ways in the 2000s, but the wake up the machine and tv with the controller or setuping streaming that work well to the TV took a bit of fiddling, often story about sound passthrought issues, HDR on/off and so on, PC gaming was close but not exactly console level experience before, specially on windows it was uncomfortable from time to time without having a mouse-keyboard laying around and gaming on Linux was solved relatively recently.

DukenukemX said:
Fair point, but there are pre-builts that have similar specs and better prices
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Will have to see for how long, by the time the steam machine is just 2 month old in early september they could be hard to find those significantly better deal that make not having the CEC, 2.4ghz built in adapter and other convenience worth the rebate, those system made a while ago at those price could get rare quick.
 
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Aurelius said:
The thing is.. this is convenience for Steam gamers, not the living room as a whole (where the problem was solved decades ago). Again, it's awesome that there is an easy-to-use living room gaming PC, but it would ideally have solved more than just convenience.

If the Steam Machine is a Ford Pinto, then let's wait for its Escort equivalent before we celebrate. Especially knowing that the PS6 and Project Helix are looming, and might make the Steam Machine an extremely hard sell.
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Glad you noticed this is a convenience for Steam gamers & there are a LOT of them, eh?

RE: the PR / Pinto - ALT / aftermarket will address that before the PS6/XB-Helix drop.
 
DukenukemX said:
Fair point, but there are pre-builts that have similar specs and better prices.
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Those are both still far larger. Not only that, they appear to be from some Amazon-style Chinese letter swap company; so good luck with support.
 
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Aurelius said:
The thing is.. this is convenience for Steam gamers, not the living room as a whole (where the problem was solved decades ago). Again, it's awesome that there is an easy-to-use living room gaming PC, but it would ideally have solved more than just convenience.

If the Steam Machine is a Ford Pinto, then let's wait for its Escort equivalent before we celebrate. Especially knowing that the PS6 and Project Helix are looming, and might make the Steam Machine an extremely hard sell.
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I'd probably class the Steam Machine as a Fiat Panda instead of a Ford Pinto. Although a tuk-tuk is probably the most accurate.
 
I still think Windows 10 Pro with or without ESU is the way to go for simple gaming, especially for kids. Biggest issue is similar to other console games, you're limited to a single store. No Xbox Games on Linux, particularly Minecraft. No Roblox, either. Yeah, you can run Minecraft using a 3rd party launcher, or Roblox via Sober, but again, if the Steam Machine is catering to a certain niche that don't know anything about computers, what's the best parts for gaming based on value, and aren't familiar with Linux, then this ain't for them, either. At least with a Windows machine, you can easily install Steam, Xbox Games, and Roblox via a simple download, or the Microsoft Store.

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And also Battle.net. Still have to use Wine or Proton. While I like Linux, it ain't for the faint of heart, and especially not for normies, yet.
 
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rinaldo00 said:
So I asked you to explain your position in your OWN WORDS.

You refused to correct my missuderstanding.

Resorting to this level means you cannot defend your position and lost the arguement.
Good luck.
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rinaldo00 said:
I can't keep up
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Are you drunk?

rinaldo00 said:
increase game sale market sales
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Are you drunk?

rinaldo00 said:
Pick one and be brief.
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Resorting to this level means you cannot defend your position and lost - EVERYTHING!

You're replies are always short - like how you screamed - WRONG over and over in 1/2 dozen earlier threads.

Have another beer...
 
usa all day said:
Are you drunk?


Are you drunk?


Resorting to this level means you cannot defend your position and lost - EVERYTHING!

You're replies are always short - like how you screamed - WRONG over and over in 1/2 dozen earlier threads.

Have another beer...
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I said good luck.
 
zehoo said:
I'd probably class the Steam Machine as a Fiat Panda instead of a Ford Pinto. Although a tuk-tuk is probably the most accurate.
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Which one of these things is not like the other, which one of things just doesn't belong?

Guess what comes after the old model? SOMETHING BETTER!!!!!!!!
 
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usa all day said:
Glad you noticed this is a convenience for Steam gamers & there are a LOT of them, eh?

RE: the PR / Pinto - ALT / aftermarket will address that before the PS6/XB-Helix drop.
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There are a lot of Steam gamers. But how many of them want Steam games in the living room and are willing to buy not just a living room PC, but a $1,049 PC with old hardware? Relatively few, I'm sure.
 
Aurelius said:
There are a lot of Steam gamers. But how many of them want Steam games in the living room and are willing to buy not just a living room PC, but a $1,049 PC with old hardware? Relatively few, I'm sure.
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I agree. This isn't for current Steam gamers. It's for converting console plebs into steam gamers.
 
Microsoft announces that Xbox sell prices are going up, and Apple announces price increases across the board:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulta...crosoft-dramatically-hikes-xbox-prices-again/

Due to ballooning costs, Apple revealed a list of hardware price increases ranging from $100 to $300, depending on the device. But in the gaming world, just hours later, Microsoft announced its third price hike on Xbox hardware since late 2025, this time even higher than the last, $100 to $150 increases across the board. And that’s with one SKU that would have been so expensive, Microsoft opted to simply discontinue it entirely.

The third era is as follows, with $100 hikes on 512 GB units and $150 on 1TB units, based almost entirely on storage cost increases globally:

  • Xbox Series S 512GB - $400 to $500
  • Xbox Series S 1TB - $450 to $600
  • Xbox Series X 1TB Digital - $600 to $750
  • Xbox Series X 1TB Disc - $650 to $800
  • Xbox Series X 2TB – Has been discontinued entirely. I imagine Microsoft did not want the headline that it was now selling a console that cost over $1000, which may have been the case.
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Not too surprising, just adding this to the discussion since everyone's saying "yeah but you can get a console for...".

Not that I think the Steam Machine represents good value. Quite the opposite, there's no chance I'd buy one or recommend it to anyone at these prices despite the fact that I think it's cool, but it looks more and more like this is going to be the standard for the foreseeable future.
 
Aurelius said:
There are a lot of Steam gamers. But how many of them want Steam games in the living room and are willing to buy not just a living room PC, but a $1,049 PC with old hardware? Relatively few, I'm sure.
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At least one (me, left, she/it).

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My other sTeAm MaChInEs were built to approximate the official Steam Machine, and I'm happy with them.
 
HockeyJon said:
Microsoft announces that Xbox sell prices are going up, and Apple announces price increases across the board:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulta...crosoft-dramatically-hikes-xbox-prices-again/



Not too surprising, just adding this to the discussion since everyone's saying "yeah but you can get a console for...".

Not that I think the Steam Machine represents good value. Quite the opposite, there's no chance I'd buy one or recommend it to anyone at these prices despite the fact that I think it's cool, but it looks more and more like this is going to be the standard for the foreseeable future.
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kind of crazy time for memory & storage prices

erek said:

“Micron Locks In Historically High Memory Prices For Five Years​

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Micron has signed 16 "strategic customer agreements" (SCAs) that include a floor price the company says comes with "a very robust gross margin for Micron, well above our peak quarterly margins in any past cycle." Most of the deals run through 2030 and cover about 40% of Micron's revenue. The Register reports: Micron CEO, president and chairman Sanjay Mehrotra explained the SCAs in prepared remarks delivered during the company's Q3 earnings call. He explained that Micron has signed 16 SCAs, most of them covering 2026 to 2030, and that they involve a commitment to buy a certain quantity of product and pay for it in a pricing band that has a floor and a ceiling price. The floor price covers the historically high gross margins mentioned above, and the ceiling price means those who commit to an SCA are insulated if memory prices go even higher.

The CEO said 16 customers have signed SCAs and then explained why it's worth locking into the deals even though they bake in such high margins. "Our customers are recognizing that supply shortages in memory and storage will take considerable time to improve," he said. "Even as we expect industry supply to improve gradually in 2028, we currently do not have line of sight as to when memory supply will be able to catch up with increasing demand."

Even massive efforts to build new chip fabs aren't much help, he said, because the increasing complexity of new memory types means it takes longer to build factories -- and when they come online there still won't be enough capacity to build both the high-bandwidth memory needed for AI and other types of NAND and DRAM. "Supply is structurally constrained in its growth and ability to meet industry demand, despite our comprehensive efforts to increase supply," he said.

Don't assume that SCAs mean your suppliers get price certainty, because Mehrotra said the deals will account for 40 percent of Micron revenue -- meaning the company is reserving most of its inventory to sell at prices it can negotiate. The CEO did have a little good news in the form of predictions that Micron's DRAM output in 2026 will "grow in the low- to mid-20s percentage range, slightly above our prior outlook." He also revealed that the SCAs see customers pay up front, which helps Micron to fund its fab expansions.”
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Aurelius said:
There are a lot of Steam gamers. But how many of them want Steam games in the living room and are willing to buy not just a living room PC, but a $1,049 PC with old hardware? Relatively few, I'm sure.
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Relatively few? How do you know? Oh - you are guessing!

You don't want one?

I sure as hell do.

Oh, it's about the money.

sharknice said:
I agree. This isn't for current Steam gamers. It's for converting console plebs into steam gamers.
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Why not both?
 
usa all day said:
Got links?
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To the used parts I bought from Mercari and eBay? Except the PSU and case and some fans (the cheapest s*** Amazon has to offer)

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I'll start a new thread for my build later. I've posted bits in various places.

I built this s***box for under $700 and I'm still willing to pay double to glaze Valve for a commercial/official product.
 
usa all day said:
Relatively few? How do you know? Oh - you are guessing!

You don't want one?

I sure as hell do.

Oh, it's about the money.


Why not both?
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The possibility of current Steam gamers buying it is why they will never subsidize it. They will be buying games on steam either way.
 
sharknice said:
The possibility of current Steam gamers buying it is why they will never subsidize it. They will be buying games on steam either way.
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They won't subsidize it because you can install whatever you want, including not Steam. You can literally just install Batoceta and a bunch of pirated ROMs on day one with little friction because it's a PC in a super duper handy form factor with ample horsepower. That's not the same situation as a typical console ecosystem, it's dramatically more difficult to unlock that type of capability, especially on day one. If you buy a PS5, Nintendo, or Xbox, there's a high probability that the game is are through channels that give them money.

Will most people do that? Probably not.

usa all day said:
Got links?
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https://hardforum.com/threads/steam-machine.2048315/
 
My mind still reals back to why did people buy out the Steam Deck after a massive $200-$300 price increase?
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DukenukemX said:
My mind still reals back to why did people buy out the Steam Deck after a massive $200-$300 price increase?
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You speak like the price increase was Steam's fault, it wasn't Steam's fault. Everything from phones to MacBooks are going up in price due to this insatiable need to create a market for AI where absolutely none exists just because big US tech bro. If there's a product who's price hasn't gone up yet due to the AI bubble, it will, of that there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever.

All those glass cockpits in cars...They'll go back to analogue electronic gauges.
 
Mazzspeed said:
You speak like the price increase was Steam's fault, it wasn't Steam's fault. Everything from phones to MacBooks are going up in price due to this insatiable need to create a market for AI where absolutely none exists just because big US tech bro. If there's a product who's price hasn't gone up yet due to the AI bubble, it will, of that there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever.

All those glass cockpits in cars...They'll go back to analogue electronic gauges.
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Who said anything about "fault"? According to economic theory demand should drop regardless of who is to blame, and that (relatively) massive price increase should have dropped demand like cow's droppings.
 
emphy said:
Who said anything about "fault"? According to economic theory demand should drop regardless of who is to blame, and that (relatively) massive price increase should have dropped demand like cow's droppings.
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Well obviously people see exceptional value in the product and are therefore willing to spend more on an open platform that's easy to upgrade and repair. The pricing before the recent hike due to AI sucking up all RAM/NAND was possibly too low, well done Valve for keeping things so affordable for so long.
 
emphy said:
According to economic theory demand should drop regardless of who is to blame, and that (relatively) massive price increase should have dropped demand like cow's droppings.
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My opinion / hypothetical future - something will change later this year - like Ai ROI is not realized & data center demand collapses so MFG's have excess inventory & drop prices.

Consumers are so priced out right now they have stopped buying / upgrading (not really a boycott, but kinda').

MFG's still have the data center customers, so consumers quitting the market is not that big of a hit.

Also, once prices rise, they rarely return to past pricing - they may drop a little though.

My 5-year build a box plan for this year has changed to - just 1 video card upgrade (maybe) in the already 5-year-old box.
- I used to build a box every 2-3 tears as sockets / chipsets / slots, RAM speed, NVMe showed obvious gains.

Every man needs a dream... I remain optimistic!
 
usa all day said:
Relatively few? How do you know? Oh - you are guessing!

You don't want one?

I sure as hell do.

Oh, it's about the money.
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It's a logical conclusion.

Of all Steam gamers, only a portion are likely to be genuinely interested in playing those games in the living room.

Of those who want to play in the living room, only a portion will have $1,049 to spend.

Of those who have $1,049 to spend, only a portion will be happy with the Steam Machine's performance.

If you meet all those conditions, that's great. It's a superb design. But with that pricing and spec sheet, it's appealing only to a portion of a portion of a portion of the Steam audience. We have to accept that, sometimes, what we want isn't what most others do.
 
Aurelius said:
Of all Steam gamers, only a portion are likely to be genuinely interested in playing those games in the living room.

Of those who want to play in the living room, only a portion will have $1,049 to spend.

Of those who have $1,049 to spend, only a portion will be happy with the Steam Machine's performance.
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If you are a current steam gamers, a big competitor will be local network streaming from your already bought computer, using your already owned stick or tv capacity for it, many would prefer a local next to the tv machine even if it is a weaker than their main PC for convenience/not having to share with family member, but that an high price for it...

DukenukemX said:
My mind still reals back to why did people buy out the Steam Deck after a massive $200-$300 price increase?
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Could have been a tiny tiny numbers of units (like the steam machine will have), selling out without the number of units is quite meaningless (after month of backlog demands when there was just no stock). One reason for the high price will often be low supply to sales, they do a math/estimate with model of the highest price point they can put and still sell out quick, smaller the number higher the price.
 
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Mazzspeed said:
You speak like the price increase was Steam's fault, it wasn't Steam's fault. Everything from phones to MacBooks are going up in price due to this insatiable need to create a market for AI where absolutely none exists just because big US tech bro. If there's a product who's price hasn't gone up yet due to the AI bubble, it will, of that there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever.
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I'm not sure if the prices have gone up because of DRAM prices or we're conditioned to believe it's from DRAM prices? I get DRAM has gone up, but enough to nearly double the price of the Steam Deck? You could have bought a Steam Deck for $350, and now it's nearly $800? DDR5 was $40 in 2024, but now that same 16GB kit is $200. That's a $160 price increase, but Valve doesn't pay retail pricing for DRAM. Apple's Neo going up $100 is also suspicious since it only has 8GB of it. Plus, Apple doesn't exactly roll over and accept a price increase. You know Apple fought hard to prevent a price increase.

Also again, why did people suddenly buy out the Steam Deck at the new higher price? If we're in a recession and people have no money then why did it sell out? Was it FOMO? Market manipulation?
All those glass cockpits in cars...They'll go back to analogue electronic gauges.
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I wish cars did this. How much you wanna bet those same cars won't remove the camera that records your face, because ya know for the children?
 
Aurelius said:
It's a logical conclusion.

Of all Steam gamers, only a portion are likely to be genuinely interested in playing those games in the living room.

Of those who want to play in the living room, only a portion will have $1,049 to spend.

Of those who have $1,049 to spend, only a portion will be happy with the Steam Machine's performance.

If you meet all those conditions, that's great. It's a superb design. But with that pricing and spec sheet, it's appealing only to a portion of a portion of a portion of the Steam audience. We have to accept that, sometimes, what we want isn't what most others do.
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There's also a good number of extremely popular multiplayer games (many high in the list on Steam) that are not playable on Steam OS because of their anti-cheat, further reducing the customer base for such machines. https://areweanticheatyet.com/

The irony is many of them would run decently on the Steam Machine hardware. So you install Windows on it I guess but that's enthusiast territory again and comes with obvious downsides.
 
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I was thinking, I have a Minisforum UM773 Lite, with 32 gig of ram and a 2tb nvme, that is doing nothing currently. Perhaps I'll try Steam OS on it.
Curios to the the performance difference to this $1000 box.
 
kalston said:
There's also a good number of extremely popular multiplayer games (many high in the list on Steam) that are not playable on Steam OS because of their anti-cheat, further reducing the customer base for such machines. https://areweanticheatyet.com/

The irony is many of them would run decently on the Steam Machine hardware. So you install Windows on it I guess but that's enthusiast territory again and comes with obvious downsides.
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Several are FREE to PLAY games.
Why would Valve care if they can't profit?
Why would Valve do anything to fix it?

That kind of stuff is on the DEVS if they want to use Valves platform.
Valve probaly has KB's on that for DEVS & they will catch up...
 
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