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Valve Steam Machine, SteamOS Desktop, Steam Frame VR and Steam Controller

The specs on this thing just get worse and worse.

I just found out: gigabit ethernet. 1 stick of RAM so.....single channel. Certain games which this thing chokes on, such as Starfield; ought to see some fairly large gains with dual channel.


**And the RAM is a total bitch to get at. You have to nearly take the thing apart.

***. SSD is connected via daughter board which is also using a Riser cable......latency sensitive performance could suffer. and you have to unlatch that riser, to get to the RAM.
It gets worse. The RX 7600 in the GabeCube has 28 outta 32 CUs that you would normally find in a 7600, plus it runs at a lower frequency. I also heard it's power limited as well. An RTX 5050 would beat this easily.
 
I'm better at sourcing parts than Valve and I don't even have any of their billions or resources or engineers or connections 🤔

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RVj4ph

The catch is supply.
We can source better parts from companies that have a handful of said part on the market. And if you look in a month those parts won't be around anymore, you'll have to find another.

Valve needs the same parts on a schedule. In a normal market that would be a good thing. They would get a discount from those vendors, and lock in a contract. The vendors would be happy to have their little crap hard drives go out the door on a 1-3 year contract term. In the market we have right now. If you ask that same vendor to lock in their price for a year they will laugh in your face. If you ask them to guarantee availability, they just can't. Their own suppliers have laughed in their face as well.

Really Valve should have just said here is the unit without storage and ram buy your own. Consider it a collectors item, the console AI killed.
 
Valve needs the same parts on a schedule. In a normal market that would be a good thing. They would get a discount from those vendors, and lock in a contract. The vendors would be happy to have their little crap hard drives go out the door on a 1-3 year contract term. In the market we have right now. If you ask that same vendor to lock in their price for a year they will laugh in your face. If you ask them to guarantee availability, they just can't. Their own suppliers have laughed in their face as well.


Valve Says The Companies Making RAM Give Them A Price And If They Say No, They ‘Never Talk To Us Again’

https://kotaku.com/valve-says-the-c...say-no-they-never-talk-to-us-again-2000709575
 
How old are you? 13? Nintendo is for kids & not remotely relevant to this discussion.
You can certainly prefer PC gaming, but I'll say this: Nintendo moved past being just "for kids" a long time ago, arguably back in the N64 era. When the Switch 2 has a FromSoftware dark fantasy title (The Duskbloods) in the pipeline, plus plenty of other mature games either here or coming soon, it's very much for everyone. It's just that Nintendo's identity is built on kid-friendly games, and there's nothing wrong with that. You can have Animal Crossing and Resident Evil on the same system.


Valve's goal of capturing MORE market share & breaking out of Microsoft jail (subscription OS coming soon!).
~ with a PC game friendly console, people have access to a MUCH bigger game store than PS, XB, etc.
~ PS / XB gamers (PC gamers to frankly) are tired of buying new hardware & repeat game versions each year
~ when new PS / XB drops they'll be over $1,000, less powerful than a PC and less functional than the Valve COMBO box.
~ most importantly - they will NOT have the backlog of games that Valve / Steam has to offer!

This is optimistic while making some unprovable (and likely incorrect) assumptions.

The base PS5 is already faster in some regards than the Steam Machine, with more storage. A PS5 Pro is clearly faster; a PS6 will decimate Valve's system. Having access to Steam is great, but I suspect many gamers would rather play a core set of games very well than a wider set at a mediocre level. Let' s use GTA VI as an example: do you think anyone looking for that game's best living room experience is going to get a Steam Machine? It already struggles with Cyberpunk from 2020; it's going to completely choke on GTA VI.

I also don't think we'll see a base PlayStation or Xbox over $1,000 in the next gen. They'll want to keep under that $1K mark if just for psychological reasons, and they can subsidize the hardware in a way Valve can't (as they know they'll make it up in game and service revenues). The days of consoles under $500 might be gone, but nor will you be paying as much as you would for a decent gaming desktop.
 
. Its still more powerful than 70% of people that use Steam (apparently) according to their marketing.
as or more powerful (equal or better) was the statement that was twisted by soft belly publication into more powerful or better than 70%: (
View: https://youtu.be/VkW3wTHT-p8?t=866)
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Valve...-of-PCs-and-can-play-all-games.1163950.0.html

It is a bit weaker RX 7600, so about a 1080ti/2070 super and up level of performance, a bit above but similar to a 3060 12GB,if we put the bar for better at a regular 7600/2080/5050/B580/4060 and up, with the updated steam hardware it would be slower than 40% of machine and about the same to a good number, gpu wise.
 
Isn't it DDR5 and thus a double half-channel, thus sort of dual-channel? I don't recall.

A lot of screaming from a bunch of people that werent going to buy this thing. Its still more powerful than 70% of people that use Steam (apparently) according to their marketing.

Ive read in multiple places that the single stick of ram isn't as big of a deal with DDR5 because of "virtual" dual channel ram that you can't do with older versions of DDR.

All of the woes of the Steam Machine basically seem to stem from the fact that they wanted to use low power laptop parts. If they made it slightly bigger and used desktop CPU and GPU then it couldve had better performance for the same price point, but consumed 2x the power.

If they eventually release a more powerful version with a streaming interface built into Steam OS (Netflix, Emby/Plex, etc) then I will get one for my living room to replace the Roku.
Hardware Unboxed tested a single stick of DDR5, a few months back.


View: https://youtu.be/_nMu1KFkOC4?si=rkRQTVcxDne-Ctzs
 
Hardware Unboxed tested a single stick of DDR5, a few months back.


View: https://youtu.be/_nMu1KFkOC4?si=rkRQTVcxDne-Ctzs

At work, didn't want to watch, found the article. Here's the TL;DR. It varies wildly by game, though, from 5 to 50% penalty.

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I don't think Valve cares how many of these they sell. SteamOS is out so companies and individuals can build whatever kind of system they want. This is just the next phase of getting people into the Steam/Linux ecosystem. Its a calculated long-term strategy.

That is exactly what it is.

Valve is comfortable with Steam printing money and unwilling to take big risks. It will be like that as long as Gabe is alive, for better or for worse. They were never going to subsidize their hardware.

The Steam Machine is proof of concept for hardware companies like Asus and MSI to make their own consoles that have Steam on them. Valve gets more money from Steam sales no matter who sells the hardware.
 
Yeah but we heard that all the last Steam Machines go around too - and that went no where - I'll wait till/if it's actually successful this time to decide if it will actually be successful this time. Not holding my breath in the meanwhile.
 
Yeah but we heard that all the last Steam Machines go around too - and that went no where - I'll wait till/if it's actually successful this time to decide if it will actually be successful this time. Not holding my breath in the meanwhile.
The last attempt was over a decade ago and Linux gaming was not in a good place. Now with big wins from Proton, the Steam Deck, and an official release of SteamOS, more people are coming around to the idea of it.
 
You can certainly prefer PC gaming
And you can prefer simplistic kid stuff. Glad we both agree - but GET REAL! Not many serious gamers are playing Nintendo.
This is optimistic
Your post is pessimistic.
I also don't think we'll see a base PlayStation or Xbox over $1,000 in the next gen
Time will tell.
I bought a 16TB hard drive in FEB 2026 @ $320 & now - June 2026 it's $655.
I mean - Amazon is a power buyer - like steam - why didn't they LOCK in that bulk price from 4 months ago?
Because that is not how it works...

faster in some regards than the Steam Machine
Moot point since Steam Machine is faster in some regards... 🤷‍♀️

consoles under $500
Again - NOT THE POINT OF VALVES box at all....

PS5 Pro is $900 - you really think the PS 6 will only go up $100?

Finally, the Steam Machine is the only logical choice for ME. IDC about you.

PS5 doesn’t matter because it can’t launch games want to play. The "walled garden" of PlayStation is a dealbreaker no matter what gen.
 
The last attempt was over a decade ago and Linux gaming was not in a good place. Now with big wins from Proton, the Steam Deck, and an official release of SteamOS, more people are coming around to the idea of it.

Never wise to count your chickens before they hatch - only set yourself up for disappointment
 
Never wise to count your chickens before they hatch - only set yourself up for disappointment
Why would I be disappointed? I've been reaping the rewards of what they've done to make gaming on Linux viable for the last few years already.
 
Why would I be disappointed? I've been reaping the rewards of what they've done to make gaming on Linux viable for the last few years already.

I'm saying - wait for it to be a success before deciding/declaring it's a success
 
I'm saying - wait for it to be a success before deciding/declaring it's a success

Proton and the Steam Deck have already delivered that success. It's never been easier for a gamer to switch to Linux. The Steam Machine is just another aspect that serves to make that transition easier. Success to Valve isn't going to be 'sell more Steam Machines than a console'; it's 'move more gamers off of Windows to Linux' and they've already been quite successful at that. Any console gamers that they manage to pull are just a bonus.

Look at it this way. As some have pointed out in this thread you can pretty much already buy a cheap tiny-PC that competes with or "smashes" the Steam Machine in price to performance. And now that SteamOS is out it can easily be installed on those systems. This is likely even preferrable to Valve as they don't have to devote so many resources to manufacturing and can focus on the software.
 
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And you can prefer simplistic kid stuff. Glad we both agree - but GET REAL! Not many serious gamers are playing Nintendo.
This is gatekeeping. You can be a serious gamer with a Switch, or a casual gamer with a PlayStation. It's about the specific titles you play and how committed you are to doing well, not the system you're using or the franchise you're playing. I'd say a player determined to master Mario Kart World is a more serious gamer than someone who drops into Call of Duty to blow off steam after work.


Moot point since Steam Machine is faster in some regards... 🤷‍♀️
Only the PS5 was released in 2020 while the Steam Machine is shipping next week. Paying $400-plus extra for a system that draws even with a six-year-old console, and is already outperformed
by a two-year-old PS5 Pro that still costs less? For most people, that math doesn't make sense even if you factor in a PS Plus subscription (at least there I get bonus games every month).

You can certainly prefer the Steam Machine, and in your case it could be ideal. I'd love to try one. I'm just stressing that it won't disrupt the console market in a significant way, and that gamers aren't inferior for choosing a Switch, PlayStation, or Xbox instead.
 
Not sure what steam care or gain by moving gamers out of windows ? A bit of a defensive move against consoles OS being better at playing games than windows I guess.

Moving them to SteamOS, where they have nice control, can push ads and their own store over the competition, that interesting of course.
 
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Not sure what steam care or gain by moving gamers out of windows ? A bit of a defensive move against consoles OS being better at playing games than windows I guess.
Gabe made that point years ago regarding Microsoft being able to cut Steam off using the Windows Store/UWP enforcement/Xbox App. I'm sure that couldn't happen since Microsoft would never even think about using anti-competitive tactics.

Moving them to SteamOS, where they have nice control, can push ads and their own store over the competition, that interesting of course.
Sure, technically they'd have that capability but one is able to use any flavor of Linux that they desire. They also can't do anything to stop other stores from running. In fact, you can get many games running from other stores just by running the executable through Proton. I guess it sucks that they're allowing consumers to have a choice?
 
PS5 Pro is $900 - you really think the PS 6 will only go up $100?
Make sure you factor in controllers in cost. I am sure most of you have seen Steve mention Valve is in the Anti monopoly fight for the game store and he mentioned Valve subsidizing the GabeCube would not be a good look right now. (It was also mentioned Valve did not want gamer's subsidizing GabeCubes in the office as it is only a matter of time until a GC is running Win11.
If Sony wants drown Steam Cube in it's infancy. It will subsidize. Competition is good for consumers.
Side note; I have a Bazzite box running on a micro PC (Linux that Boots into Steam Big Picture mode). I wanted Bazzite because the last update of my SteamLink made the SL "loose connection" even when wired. Bazzite plays many couch party games, not all. Good enough that I kept it in stead of repurposing it, I also plan on using the play from different PC feature for games that don't run native. When I turn it on the CEC turns on my tv to the correct input. When I turn the PC off the CEC turns off my TV. I was told PCs could not do this, I found this interesting. Would love to see CEC on my Kodi.
 
And you can prefer simplistic kid stuff. Glad we both agree - but GET REAL! Not many serious gamers are playing Nintendo.
Marketshare? Serious gamers? How far are we bending over for Valve?

A very optimistic estimate of Steamdeck sales at this point, would be 5 million units over 4 years ( since February 2022). And it enjoys a hardware spec which is more powerful than Switch 1. As well as offering a not insignificant uniqueness factor, as it was more/less the only practical PC portable, for a little while. Backed by a passionate dev team for its OS.

And yet...Switch 2 has sold nearly 20 million, in its first year (2025-2026). About 5 million more than Switch 1 did, in its first year.

Despite Japan being just shy of a recession and with a very weakened currency, intense cost of living pressures around the world, supply constraints and pricing pressure---increased launch prices on peripherals Vs. what was announced before launch, etc: Switch 2 is outpacing its predecessor.

Switch 1 with 150+ million units sold, is the 2nd best selling gaming hardware of all time. (Best selling hardware of all time, is also Nintendo).

Steamdeck's 5 million, is also still 11 million less than Sony's worst ever selling gaming hardware, PS Vita (a handheld).


Steam Machine is much-ado about......giving PC gamers a well integrated power-on-via-wireless controller feature. Is otherwise a symbolic/lifestyle piece. I struggle to see how double-priced old laptop hardware, with no screen, is supposed to inspire in us the wild west free market open platform fuck Microsoft Linux nerd.

Finally finish the OS and make it work gud on most shit. I'm not putting a Steam machine in my butt.
 
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Which they will not increase much because of the price. That is our point that you either do not understand or choose to ignore.
No, you're not understanding. The goal is not hardware market share; the goal is to bring in more gamers to STEAM. The hardware does not matter as once the software is there the hardware vendors will follow. We've already seen this with the Steam Deck; there were no good handheld PCs but after the Steam Deck there are multiple choices. With an official SteamOS build, a company like ASUS can release a NUC-style PC with SteamOS preinstalled.

Valve wants your Steam games to run on as many platforms as possible. You can already see this tactic working through the increase in Linux users on Steam AND by Valve being ok with Steam running on the NextBox. Their goal is to have as many users on Steam as possible; Proton, the Steam Deck, the Steam Machine are all trojan horses to make that possible.
 
I don't think Valve cares how many of these they sell. SteamOS is out so companies and individuals can build whatever kind of system they want. This is just the next phase of getting people into the Steam/Linux ecosystem. Its a calculated long-term strategy.
With an official SteamOS build, a company like ASUS can release a NUC-style PC with SteamOS preinstalled.

Which failed the first time. Let's see how round two goes.
 
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You want the absurd price to be lower - regardless if Valve has to take a loss -it' not your problem - you want free cheese! COMMMUNISM!

If that's not hyperbole, I guess I am doing it wrong.
  1. Extreme exaggeration or overstatement; especially as a literary or rhetorical device.
  2. (uncountable) Deliberate exaggeration
False analogy is for people who have no imagination or ability to replay appropriately.
  1. I think the Rolls Royce price is absurd!
  2. They should sell it for less than the cost...
You conveniently ignored my statement that - it's a supply / demand market dude.
You literally have no idea what communism is. A company selling a product for less than the sum of its parts is not communism. Console manufacturers do it with all of their machines as they know they make their money on the sale of games.
 
You literally have no idea what communism is. A company selling a product for less than the sum of its parts is not communism. Console manufacturers do it with all of their machines as they know they make their money on the sale of games.
That's what Sony did with the PlayStation 3 and Blu-ray to overtake HD-DVD.
 
Which failed the first time. Let's see how round two goes.
"Round two" has already been a success. They've pushed Linux adoption to a place where it's viable as a gaming OS; enough to force MS to respond with 'promises' to improve W11. They've already brought in millions of new gamers to Steam through Proton and the Deck and every user is an extra $100 spent on Steam on average. Even if they only sell 1000 Steam Machines they're showing that they have a gaming platform that respects consumer choice and will continue to improve.

You're looking at it from the angle that the Steam Machine has to outsell consoles when that was never the goal in the first place.
 
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"Round two" has already been a success. They've pushed Linux adoption to a place where it's viable as a gaming OS and have forced MS to respond through 'promises' to improve W11. Even if they only sell 1000 Steam Machines they've already brought in millions of new gamers to Steam through Proton and the Deck and every user an extra $100 spent on Steam on average.
OK, let's see how many the Steam Machine (which this topic is about) adds to that. Promises don't count. I can't even count how many promises MS has broken.
 
I still need it for my living room. I just want to place my order already! I hope I'm part of the first batch of randomly selected people...

Edit: It should be on par with my current sTeAm MaChInEs in terms of raw compute, plus the refinements and HDMI-CEC I've got an unhealthy need for.

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Not sure what steam care or gain by moving gamers out of windows ? A bit of a defensive move against consoles OS being better at playing games than windows I guess.

Moving them to SteamOS, where they have nice control, can push ads and their own store over the competition, that interesting of course.
Valve has always played nice with the open source world. Nothing they do is hidden.
All the they might turn evil arguments don't really track. Valve could have went closed source to ship proper HDMI they didn't. They pressured the forum to stop being ass hats instead. The upcoming frame. They selected previously closed silicon. They pushed QCOM to open source the drivers for it and they did.

Everything valve has done so far has benefited Linux as a whole not just there own os.

Valve could have done a Google sure. Using open source but not making Andriod open. Valve has never done anything to make me think they even considered that. You can install heroic launcher on your deck. If gog ever gets there Linux launcher done it will install fine as well.
 
I still need it for my living room. I just want to place my order already! I hope I'm part of the first batch of randomly selected people...

Edit: It should be on par with my current sTeAm MaChInEs in terms of raw compute, plus the refinements and HDMI-CEC I've got an unhealthy need for.
I ordered one also. If I get one and you don't we can talk.
 
I think a lot more people were interested in "buying this thing" if the price was different. I can forgive a lot of questionable specs if it's $400-500 cheaper.
Pretty sure they got screwed by ram & ssd costs same as everyone else. It could still work for some people if Valve can use their clout to get game devs to "certify" games for the Steam Machine like they did with the Steam Deck. It won't tempt me, but I could see people buying it if they can get enough game devs on board. Buy Steam machine, download game, select Steam Machine preset, play.
 
Valve has always played nice with the open source world. Nothing they do is hidden.
All the they might turn evil arguments don't really track. Valve could have went closed source to ship proper HDMI they didn't. They pressured the forum to stop being ass hats instead. The upcoming frame. They selected previously closed silicon. They pushed QCOM to open source the drivers for it and they did.

Everything valve has done so far has benefited Linux as a whole not just there own os.

Valve could have done a Google sure. Using open source but not making Andriod open. Valve has never done anything to make me think they even considered that. You can install heroic launcher on your deck. If gog ever gets there Linux launcher done it will install fine as well.
I don't think they're overpricing just to get some extra revenue, but some of their decisions and costs are a little weird.
  • A single 16GB DDR5 SO-DIMM. I'm not sure why they thought people needed 16GB for a Linux-based gaming machine (even if it is SteamOS). The performance is marginal from 8GB to 16GB just for gaming. Also, to save costs, and for slightly better performance, why not use soldered 6400MHz LPDDR5 memory?
  • A single M.2 SSD slot. I would have liked it if they added a second one and skipped a microSD slot.
  • No USB4 ports. Imagine if it came with a USB4 eGPU box. Sure, you have limited bandwidth with USB4 over OCuLink, but it's only about a 10% performance hit.
  • No OCuLink port. I wouldn't mind not having an OCuLink port if they had a second M.2 SSD slot.
  • 1Gbps ethernet instead of 2.5Gbps.
You can get a Ryzen 7 H 255 (with a 780M iGPU) 16GB DDR5, 1TB storage Mini-PC with an OCuLink port and USB4 port, AND TWO 2.5Gbps ethernet ports for $424.99 right now on Amazon. Add in an OCuLink eGPU dock for $43.98, a 350W Flex PSU for $39.99, and that totals $508.96. That leaves you $919.04 for a graphics card and another 1TB NVMe SSD.

I just don't see how their costs could have gotten so bloated. They could literally just buy those parts retail, along with an RX 9070 XT, create their own enclosure to fit them all into, and it would still be cheaper, while still being multitudes faster.

My hunch is that AMD screwed them over, and not just the RAM manufacturers.
 
My hunch is that AMD screwed them over, and not just the RAM manufacturers.
without AMD the steam machine doesn't exist

AMD decided to exit the laptop GPU market.
there were a bunch of 7600m sitting around gathering dust
they asked Valve if they are interested in a clearance sale
valve said yes.

that is how we ended up with the steam machine
 
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