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Valve Steam Machine, SteamOS Desktop, Steam Frame VR and Steam Controller

Kepler (reputable HW leaker if you don't know him) thinks something is odd

https://x.com/Kepler_L2/status/2069120142257074638

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LukeTbk said:
Or a non valve company that can see an complex indirect way to use steamOS-gaming living room machine as a way to attract peoples with a post sale moneytisation plan via pre installed plugin to the steam client (could that work technically and legally) ?

Say Nvidia making their own steamOS living room machine with an aggressive GeForceNow ads/plugin into steam and other Nvidia services, depending on how well steamOS for nvidia support will be.
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Steam OS 3.8 lets anyone build their own PC, and there's early work on officially supporting Intel and NVIDIA hardware. Nothing to stop someone from selling more affordable Steam Machine-alikes — it's just a question of whether or not someone can and will do it.
 
Aurelius said:
Steam OS 3.8 lets anyone build their own PC, and there's early work on officially supporting Intel and NVIDIA hardware. Nothing to stop someone from selling more affordable Steam Machine-alikes — it's just a question of whether or not someone can and will do it.
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Other one would be a game studio if they can push a plugin to sales their games without the steam tax on the steamOS machine, which would create a strange scenario.

As long they do not want to subsidize it via post sales revenues potential and make them more expensive than Mac, they will not worry the consoles maker that for sure.

Here I suspect, of course if you make it too good of a price people will buy them as regular computer for their business and themselve... but also and maybe more so, they were not able to make a lot of them anyway so zero need to push price down at all to be able to sales them all and they let the door open to a supply chain big guy to make them at a possible price would one want to do it now... without the bad press of being $300 more than the steam original one (that barely existed in quantity)
 
Aurelius said:
Steam OS 3.8 lets anyone build their own PC, and there's early work on officially supporting Intel and NVIDIA hardware. Nothing to stop someone from selling more affordable Steam Machine-alikes — it's just a question of whether or not someone can and will do it.
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LukeTbk said:
Other one would be a game studio if they can push a plugin to sales their games without the steam tax on the steamOS machine, which would create a strange scenario.

As long they do not want to subsidize it via post sales revenues potential and make them more expensive than Mac, they will not worry the consoles maker that for sure.

Here I suspect, of course if you make it too good of a price people will buy them as regular computer for their business and themselve... but also and maybe more so, they were not able to make a lot of them anyway so zero need to push price down at all to be able to sales them all and they let the door open to a supply chain big guy to make them at a possible price would one want to do it now... without the bad press of being $300 more than the steam original one (that barely existed in quantity)
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the way it would have gone is AMD would have called valve & said: hey valve we have a bunch of laptop gpus. we are planning to shut down shop. everything must go. the definition of a clearance sale.

valve must have thought about the offer. maybe they can use it as a stopgap to revive the steam machine idea. just sell a limited bunch for 1 year

in exactly 1 year rdna 5 launches. so you have next gen handheld/laptop chip that can match performance of ps5 pro / 9060xt post fsr5/dx13 etc. laptop makers like Asus Lenovo et al can make a windows/steam box out of it that is cheaper than current steam machine.

so valve could just float their own hardware as a trial in anticipation of new hardware coming next year that can run the downloadable steam os version
 
usa all day said:
What & where can you buy that @ that price??
Also - can you browse, type and stream prohub on it?
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I mean, you could get a console and a chromebook for that price and be able to do both.

Or as I mentioned, a BC250 is maybe $300 fully outfitted. I got a BC250 card, 3d printed case, PSU, 500GB SSD, and 8bitDo controller for under $300. Throw Bazzite on it, and you essentially have a steam machine. You trade off Zen2 vs Zen4 cores, and RDNA2 vs RDNA3 CU's, but it's also 1/4 the price and requires some tinkering which isn't for everybody.
 
kirbyrj said:
I mean, you could get a console and a chromebook for that price and be able to do both.

Or as I mentioned, a BC250 is maybe $300 fully outfitted. I got a BC250 card, 3d printed case, PSU, 500GB SSD, and 8bitDo controller for under $300. Throw Bazzite on it, and you essentially have a steam machine. You trade off Zen2 vs Zen4 cores, and RDNA2 vs RDNA3 CU's, but it's also 1/4 the price and requires some tinkering which isn't for everybody.
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My sister does not understand what you are recommending she buy because she is a plug & play gamer who also needs a computer?

You said before she can buy a mainstream console at $500-600

Now you say she can get a - console and a chromebook for that or DIY build for less.

Blah, blah, blah...
 
usa all day said:
Now add labor & shipping...
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No charge - I do it for the love of the game and you can use my Prime and you can see free shipping for the rest on PCPartpicker 🫶

Use the savings to go get yourself an Xbox controller on sale for $39 and get a better performing system + upgradability + a controller all for the cost of a base Steam Machine with no controller - all without any of the resources, money, connections or engineers that Valve has that I don't which could have saved some more with scale👍

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The latest phrase I hear the youtube reviewers repeating is:

This isn't a gamers price, this is an enthusiast's price.

So, they are simultaneously saying that PS and XB gamers are NOT gaming enthusiasts & that enthusiasts would be satisfied with this product?

However, real enthusiasts want more of everything & can DIY vs BUY.
 
kram182 said:
No charge - I do it for the love of the game and you can use my Prime and you can see free shipping for the rest on PCPartpicker 🫶

Use the savings to go get yourself an Xbox controller on sale for $39 and get a better performing system + upgradability + a controller all for the cost of a base Steam Machine with no controller - all without any of the resources, money, connections or engineers that Valve has that I don't which could have saved some more with scale👍
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My sister does not want to "build a Lego PC" (according to her & I'm not doing it for her).

BUTTS, you know I am talking about the plain Jane consumer market that has never even heard of PC Part Picker & they want to buy a plug and play unit & not a DIY project.
 
usa all day said:
want to "build a Lego PC" (according to her & I'm not doing it for her).

BUTTS, you know I am talking about the plain Jane consumer market that has never even heard of PC Part Picker & they want to buy a plug and play unit & not a DIY project.
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And a company like Valve should be able to source parts better and for cheaper (especially at any sense of scale vs one dude on PCPartpicker) than I can with all their billions and resources and connections and yaddah yaddah but you all either keep missing that part or intentionally don't want to recognize it.
 
Bigbacon said:
what amazes me is that for that price that it doesn't include a controller....thats bonkers.
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Oh, I guess the VR isn't out yet but imagine the hysteria when the "total package" drops that is the max unit + 2 controllers & VR headset! $2K?
 
kram182 said:
And a company like Valve should be able to source parts better and for cheaper (especially at any sense of scale vs one dude on PCPartpicker) than I can with all their billions and resources and connections and yaddah yaddah but you all either keep missing that part or intentionally don't want to recognize it.
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nVidia, AMD, Corsair, etc. with all their billions and resources and connections and yaddah yaddah should be able to sell us their products cheaper...
 
usa all day said:
nVidia, AMD, Corsair, etc. with all their billions and resources and connections and yaddah yaddah should be able to sell us their products cheaper...
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Which would mean a company like Valve would still be able to get them for even cheaper than with any sense of scale vs a dude on PCPartPicker, again, cheaper prices for you and I, or not
 
kram182 said:
Which would mean a company like Valve would still be able to get them for even cheaper than with any sense of scale vs a dude on PCPartPicker, again, cheaper prices for you and I, or not
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Not for my sister. She'll pay for the overhead. Like getting her nails did... she COULD do it - but won't.
[H] peeps are a different breed - beyond even the PC master race, but if I win the lotto, I'm building a new box AND buying a Steam box for the living room.
 
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I think what stands out the most with the Steam machine is the CEC feature, from watching the videos it seems to work via hardware and SteamOS.

I wonder if Valve could just sell the Steam machine CEC hardware or license it to mobo manufacturers so DIY builders can rig their own SteamOS console competitor instead?
 
TangledThornz said:
I think what stands out the most with the Steam machine is the CEC feature, from watching the videos it seems to work via hardware and SteamOS.

I wonder if Valve could just sell the Steam machine CEC hardware or license it to mobo manufacturers so DIY builders can rig their own SteamOS console competitor instead?
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Yeah that's IMO the one neat/unique feature of it

It can be DIY'd - remember a guy on the www.thegreenbutton.tv/forums/ did it for his WMC setup years ago - not simple/easy/clean as requires external HDMI adapter that sends out the CEC signals IIRC (eventghost too I think) - but if the will is there, there's a way - here it is: https://www.pulse-eight.com/p/104/usb-hdmi-cec-adapter
 
usa all day said:
My sister does not want to "build a Lego PC" (according to her & I'm not doing it for her).

BUTTS, you know I am talking about the plain Jane consumer market that has never even heard of PC Part Picker & they want to buy a plug and play unit & not a DIY project.
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Fun thought: with student pricing, you could get a MacBook Neo and a Switch 2 for the same price as the Steam Machine, and still have money left over for a game or two.
 
usa all day said:
My sister does not understand what you are recommending she buy because she is a plug & play gamer who also needs a computer?

You said before she can buy a mainstream console at $500-600

Now you say she can get a - console and a chromebook for that or DIY build for less.

Blah, blah, blah...
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If you want to defend absurd prices be my guest. I'm just offering alternatives to absurd pricing.
 
Aurelius said:
Fun thought: with student pricing, you could get a MacBook Neo and a Switch 2 for the same price as the Steam Machine, and still have money left over for a game or two.
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MacBook Neo uses an A-series chip found in the iPhone and iPad rather than the M-series chips found in other Apple silicon Macs.
It can only play mobile games for $600 - it is a glorified phone. Student ID gets a $100 discount, but REALLY? That's your answer?

Nintendo Switch 2 is a $450 HANDHELD that allows you to play Nintendo games only
It has a 7.9-inch 1080p LCD screen unless you also buy a dock to play it on TV but you still only have Nin games.

HANDHELDS are NOT CONSOLES!
 
kirbyrj said:
If you want to defend absurd prices be my guest. I'm just offering alternatives to absurd pricing.
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Sooooo... COMMUNISM is your answer?

I'm not defending "absurd prices", it is a supply / demand market dude.

The market sets the prices - not me (or you).

That Rolls Royce Phantom is absurdly priced to me, but some people don't even blink when they buy them.
 
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usa all day said:
HANDHELDS are NOT CONSOLES!
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I get your point about only playing Nintendo games, but are you high? The Switch 2 is very much a console. It connects to the TV with many controllers. That's how I use mine 99% of the time. It stays at my friend's house for when we get together for parties.

As for the Neo, you could get an NVIDIA GeForce Now sub and stream games in 4K, but I'm aware that's not the same experience as playing natively. I think their point wasn't that you can play games on a Neo. Their point was that the Steam Machine is insanely overpriced.
 
usa all day said:
MacBook Neo uses an A-series chip found in the iPhone and iPad rather than the M-series chips found in other Apple silicon Macs.
It can only play mobile games for $600 - it is a glorified phone. Student ID gets a $100 discount, but REALLY? That's your answer?

Nintendo Switch 2 is a $450 HANDHELD that allows you to play Nintendo games only
It has a 7.9-inch 1080p LCD screen unless you also buy a dock to play it on TV but you still only have Nin games.

HANDHELDS are NOT CONSOLES!
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Handhelds are something though. I recently played BF6 with a squad member that was using ASUS ROG Ally handheld like it was a PC with monitor + kb/m, lol.
 
usa all day said:
Nintendo Switch 2 is a $450 HANDHELD that allows you to play Nintendo games only
It has a 7.9-inch 1080p LCD screen unless you also buy a dock to play it on TV but you still only have Nin games.

HANDHELDS are NOT CONSOLES!
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Switch 2 is the cheapest handheld in its general performance bracket
You don't buy a dock separately. They come with a dock.

Switch was the most popular console/handheld hardware last generation. Outselling even Playstation. And Switch 2 is selling at a higher pace than Switch 1 did, in its first year. They are getting LOTS of 3rd party games and indie games. Its not even CLOSE to only nintendo games.
 
It seems like a lot of money for what it is, but then again its easy to forget just how expensive every single thing that goes into it has become.

I bet none of us could build something better from new parts for that amount of money.
 
kram182 said:
I'm better at sourcing parts than Valve and I don't even have any of their billions or resources or engineers or connections 🤔

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RVj4ph
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You can source individual parts with prices that fluctuate from time to time based on random sale prices on a schedule you have absolute discretion over with no accountability to an end customer who is demanding a custom-designed product RIGHT NOW using a custom-designed SoC made specifically for your project. You're not competing for thousands of parts with higher volume vendors like G.Skill, Corsair, or a hyperscaler building a gigawatt datacenter, on an industrial scale while getting a "the price is the price, take it or leave it" answer on the phone from the people making it, knowing if you don't take the price now, you're not getting material for an indeterminant amount of time and not being able to deliver a product to the customer.

If Valve could do this for less, they probably would. They demonstrated that before, the original Steam Deck was sold below cost for a hot price no other handheld manufacturer was even close to matching. They initially said they would bring this out for hundreds of dollars less than they ended up bringing it out for.
 
Shoganai said:
I get your point about only playing Nintendo games...
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It's a handheld to me ya' whippersnapper.

Sadly, greedy MFG's created the term "Handheld Consoles", and while they technically fit the definition, we're talkin about PS & XB, Nintendo isn't even in the race.
- The first company to officially use the term for a home video game system was Fairchild with the Video Entertainment System (VES) in 1976, though the Magnavox Odyssey (1972) is recognized as the first commercial home console.
- A video game console is a specialized electronic device designed primarily for playing video games, distinguished from general-purpose computers like PCs by its dedicated function and simplified user interface.
- These systems output video signals to a display device, such as a television or monitor, and are operated via game controllers rather than keyboards or mice.

It's like calling the Model-T a race car. Yes, people raced them, but they aren't really race cars.
 
usa all day said:
It's a handheld to me ya' whippersnapper.

Sadly, greedy MFG's created the term "Handheld Consoles", and while they technically fit the definition, we're talkin about PS & XB, Nintendo isn't even in the race.
- The first company to officially use the term for a home video game system was Fairchild with the Video Entertainment System (VES) in 1976, though the Magnavox Odyssey (1972) is recognized as the first commercial home console.
- A video game console is a specialized electronic device designed primarily for playing video games, distinguished from general-purpose computers like PCs by its dedicated function and simplified user interface.
- These systems output video signals to a display device, such as a television or monitor, and are operated via game controllers rather than keyboards or mice.

It's like calling the Model-T a race car. Yes, people raced them, but they aren't really race cars.
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While it is overall correct to think of the Switch 2 as a handhelf first. The point of the thing, is that its a hybrid experience. Its Nintendo consolidating console into Handheld. As they have essentially owned the handheld market, for 35 years.

However, Switch 2 has new enough hardware that, at this point, there are several examples of games where the Switch 2 gives a better experience than Xbox Series S.
 
yinzerniner said:
But do you have the marketing, engineering, and artistic team bonafides to truly make it a work of industrial art?

If only they went with the original mockup ….
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We're gonna be rich 😎

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzAdXyPYKQo

HockeyJon said:
If Valve could do this for less, they probably would.
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They literally could but said they won't. They subsidized the Steam Deck on release everyone thinks from Gabe's comments here: https://www.pcgamer.com/gabe-newell...of-units-but-the-pricing-was-painful-to-pick/

They could subsidize the Steam Machine. They just said they don't want to. No 'painful to them pricing' this time like with Steam Deck, just something about ''''''healthy open ecosystems''''''''': https://www.theverge.com/games/952004/valve-steam-machine-price-not-subsidizing
 
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