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Valve Steam Machine, SteamOS Desktop, Steam Frame VR and Steam Controller

kram182 said:
That PC will perform better + give you upgrade paths for CPU/GPU to go even better/further than Steam Machine - saving $140 for far less now+in future isn't a great deal IMO
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How does that help my living room experience that my wife approves of?
 
T4rd said:
Pretty brutal pricing, but they had to release it at some point after already being commited to manufacturing it to some extent at least. It could help a bit if they released a barebones variant that lets us source our own storage and RAM. But given the price of the 512GB, it would prolly only save us $150 or so.

I wasn't particularly interested in it since I already have a few gaming PCs and laptops around the house that are all more powerful than it. But I was hoping it would be able to get some sort of market penetration at a decent price if just to get Steam OS/Proton out there more to take more market share from Windows to incentivise publishers to build more native Linux ports of games. I have a spare 5800X3D/3080 12GB PC now that I want to move to my living room with Bazzite on it or something too so I can essentially use it as a Steam Machine. I'm just not sure how well Nvidia GPUs work on that OS these days.
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they are making the steam OS open

  1. support for nvidia GPUs
  2. support for your own hardware starting steam OS 3.8
 
I understand why Valve is charging $1,049-plus and realize the company's hands are tied, but... so much for the "consoles are dooooomed" rhetoric we've been hearing from some folks.

This is really for Steam-bound PC gamers who want as console-like an experience as possible and are willing to make tradeoffs. For everyone else... get a PS5 Pro. You'll get a lower starting price with more storage, and the games you'd want are likely both available and running very well.

I believe the Steam Machine will sell in healthy numbers, but Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony aren't even slightly nervous.
 
Aurelius said:
I understand why Valve is charging $1,049-plus and realize the company's hands are tied, but... so much for the "consoles are dooooomed" rhetoric we've been hearing from some folks.

This is really for Steam-bound PC gamers who want as console-like an experience as possible and are willing to make tradeoffs. For everyone else... get a PS5 Pro. You'll get a lower starting price with more storage, and the games you'd want are likely both available and running very well.

I believe the Steam Machine will sell in healthy numbers, but Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony aren't even slightly nervous.
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at this point the helix releasing next dec will be cheaper than the steam machine lol
 
kram182 said:
How does a custom DIY PC prevent that?

I used to build HTPCs that go in the living room - don't act like that isn't doable.
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I already have that in there, my wife wants it even more simple and quiet and tiny and optimized and simple HDMI-CEC, etc.

She tolerates the existing bazzite machines around the house, but misses the Xbox series X experience, with the exception of the s***** apps and all the damn ads on everything.

So the premium being paid is getting as close to that as possible so she doesn't have to think about it or ever try to troubleshooting anything.
 
MikeTrike said:
How does that help my living room experience that my wife approves of?
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What does she approve of? I'm assuming there's a size limit to the PC? You can single-cable a PC to a TV with nothing but an HDMI cable and you can use big picture mode to do everything with a pad if you need.
 
Domingo said:
What does she approve of? I'm assuming there's a size limit to the PC? You can single-cable a PC to a TV with nothing but an HDMI cable and you can use big picture mode to do everything with a pad if you need.
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She wants this experience, minus the Microsoft and everything with ads in it.

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I would have worked in 2022/23 when memory was dirt cheap with a 5700x / 5700x 3D cpu under the hood for a 65watt part.
 
You're better off buying a PS5 Pro at those prices. Whoever is selling them RAM and storage must be laughing their arses off.

I can't imagine Helix prices will be any better unless a bubble pops or the extra planned manufacturing capacity calms down the prices. (I don't see MS subsidising cost).
 
Aurelius said:
I understand why Valve is charging $1,049-plus and realize the company's hands are tied, but... so much for the "consoles are dooooomed" rhetoric we've been hearing from some folks.

This is really for Steam-bound PC gamers who want as console-like an experience as possible and are willing to make tradeoffs. For everyone else... get a PS5 Pro. You'll get a lower starting price with more storage, and the games you'd want are likely both available and running very well.

I believe the Steam Machine will sell in healthy numbers, but Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony aren't even slightly nervous.
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Agreed. I also don't see the point of trying to turn a PC into a console like experience. I understand Valve's point, they see a way to try and get some of the console market. Just don't understand the consumer point of view. Here is hoping the Frame is not that expensive.
 
rinaldo00 said:
You argued with me about this for months and even got a little nasty.

WRONG
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You go girl! I was so NASTY!!! STAND UP!

But what was I wrong about?

usa all day said:
Price will be same PS & XBOX
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Even the Artificial Idiots knows this...

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Valve officially announced prices for the new Steam Machine today, June 22, 2026.
Contrary to hopes for subsidized console prices, the device launch pricing is due to global memory shortages.

Official Pricing & Models​

The Steam Machine will be available in two storage configurations, with optional bundles including the new Steam Controller:
  • 512GB Model: $1,049 (Console only) or $1,128 (Bundle with Steam Controller).
  • 2TB Model: $1,349 (Console only) or $1,428 (Bundle with Steam Controller).
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Xbox - exceeding $1,000. No official price has been announced for the next Xbox console, codenamed Project Helix, though leaks and analyst predictions suggest a significant price increase, exceeding $1,000.

Confirmed Details & Release Window​

  • Release Date: DEV / Alpha units are shipping in 2027, with consumer launch widely predicted for late 2027.
  • Key Feature: The device will run both Xbox games and PC titles from storefronts like Steam and GOG.
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PlayStation - No official price has been announced for PlayStation 6 "Orion"
Sony has explicitly stated that pricing decisions are pending due to ongoing global memory shortages.

Official Status & Pricing Uncertainty​

  • No Confirmed Price: Sony President and CEO Hiroki Totoki said the company has not yet decided on a launch price or release date.
  • The decision is being delayed to observe the volatile memory market, which is heavily impacted by AI demand.
  • Current Market Context: In April 2026, Sony raised prices of the existing PlayStation 5 Pro to $899.99, signaling high global memory costs are already affecting current hardware.
 
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usa all day said:
You go girl! I was so NASTY!!! STAND UP!

But what was I wrong about?


Even the Artificial Idiots knows this...

=========================
Valve officially announced prices for the new Steam Machine today, June 22, 2026.
Contrary to hopes for subsidized console prices, the device launch pricing is due to global memory shortages.

Official Pricing & Models​

The Steam Machine will be available in two storage configurations, with optional bundles including the new Steam Controller:
  • 512GB Model: $1,049 (Console only) or $1,128 (Bundle with Steam Controller).
  • 2TB Model: $1,349 (Console only) or $1,428 (Bundle with Steam Controller).
=========================
Xbox - exceeding $1,000. No official price has been announced for the next Xbox console, codenamed Project Helix, though leaks and analyst predictions suggest a significant price increase, exceeding $1,000.

Confirmed Details & Release Window​

  • Release Date: DEV / Alpha units are shipping in 2027, with consumer launch widely predicted for late 2027.
  • Key Feature: The device will run both Xbox games and PC titles from storefronts like Steam and GOG.
=========================
PlayStation - No official price has been announced for PlayStation 6 "Orion"
Sony has explicitly stated that pricing decisions are pending due to ongoing global memory shortages.

Official Status & Pricing Uncertainty​

  • No Confirmed Price: Sony President and CEO Hiroki Totoki said the company has not yet decided on a launch price or release date.
  • The decision is being delayed to observe the volatile memory market, which is heavily impacted by AI demand.
  • Current Market Context: In April 2026, Sony raised prices of the existing PlayStation 5 Pro to $899.99, signaling high global memory costs are already affecting current hardware.
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xbox & sony would usually have long term contracts with suppliers.

asha sharma has decided to bite the bullet & take the loss on hardware

when the xbox releases next December it will cheaper than the current steam machine price

sony will just delay their launch until the price becomes affordable

sony & MS are not dumb to sell $1000+ consoles
 
Marees said:
xbox & sony would usually have long term contracts with suppliers.

asha sharma has decided to bite the bullet & take the loss on hardware

when the xbox releases next December it will cheaper than the current steam machine price

sony will just delay their launch until the price becomes affordable

sony & MS are not dumb to sell $1000+ consoles
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I think the price for the xbox is going to be cheaper because they are going to cut down on the memory and storage. I have nondoubt it wouldn't been $1200 at the original specs.
 
Shoganai said:
You can thank AI for this amazing deal.
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I mean yes, but even at the original prices it wasn’t going to be a good deal.

The Steam Deck price increases are directly analogous to the launch prices of the Steam Machine. In other words, the base Machine ended up getting a ~$240 price increase while the 2tb got a ~$400 hike. So original planned msrp was ~$800 for base and $950 for upgraded. Directly in competition with the PS5 pro but with arguably worse processing power.

It seems like it was always destined to be DOA, with the initial run only for the “FIRST” sycophants but hopefully amortizing the development cost of the non-processing hardware into later models.

All semi-trustworthy reviews cite the refinement and livability, but that’s just not what serious gamers are willing to pay a premium for.
 
I don't expect the Steam Frame to be any cheaper while more useful for me. Just a terrible time for DIY market and OEMs in general. Selling an extra PC laying around has now become viable which may help cover some of the costs of building a new build. Now if the AI market does indeed collapse and collapses big, ram could become ridiculously cheap as well as SSDs.
 
Flogger23m said:
Agreed. I also don't see the point of trying to turn a PC into a console like experience. I understand Valve's point, they see a way to try and get some of the console market. Just don't understand the consumer point of view. Here is hoping the Frame is not that expensive.
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The problem Valve has with trying to do that is that this is a huge misstep in that direction. Yes, it looks like this brings the simplicity of the console environment and that's great but that isn't the only reason they are popular. Price is another big part. Getting "more for less" is an attractive part of consoles when they launch. I mean sure, in a long lifespan they usually end up falling behind what you can get from a PC but when they come out, they tend to be a lot of performance for your dollar. This is not that, it does not compare favourably performance wise against the PS5... and the PS5 is not new. It is not only cheaper but in general actually offers better performance. That's never mind the PS5 Pro which is cheaper and more powerful in basically every situation.

They also are failing on the console front in how they are handling the offering. Not including a controller is not a good idea. Yes, I realize that not everyone who gets one needs a controller as many people have PC controllers they like... but again, console experience is you get it and it is ready to go. This thing shows up without a controller and now it is not ready to go.

Finally there's the whole exclusive software thing. While I hate it, it is a part of what sells consoles. Sure, the Steam Deck technically has that but nothing new. Everyone was crowing that Valve would release Half Life 3 with it to push sales. That would be the correct console way to do things: Have a new first-flight title that everyone wants that launches with it. But... well... crickets on that front. I mean I guess it is theoretically possible they drop it sometime here but that again isn't how you do it. You market it with the launch.

I just don't see this going well. I'm sure Valve fanboys will buy it because, well, fanboys. There will probably be a few others that will say "Yes, this has utility to me and I don't mind the price," but I don't see it making any real in roads in the console space. Too much money for what you get.
 
WOW, what a dead end. Lets hope enough buy it to keep the SteamOS going long enough for the mass population of gamers to run it on their systems.

You can litteraly build a better system for way less.
 
usa all day said:
I guess we'll have to wait & see...
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I doubt it. Many console gamers don't really want new consoles. Seems like for the past decade most console gamers don't want new hardware to come. From an average gamer perspective who does not care about frame rates or graphical quality, that makes sense and is a big part of the console market. Paying another $500-600 for a new console is an inconvenience to them, especially when graphical upgrades are kind of slow rolling now days. There is also the fact that exclusive games only started becoming a thing 2-3 years after this console's generation. I think many are okay with waiting a year or two more and don't really want to splurge on a $1000 console.
 
Putting aside the conversation we should be having about WHY RAM , storage and prices have been allowed to grow so large by a handful of oligarchic companies making and a different group buying all future production at jacked up prices abetted by zero interest loans... I don't think its right for people to come down harshly on Valve, but excusing similar price hikes among console manufacturers and the like.

The Steam Machine was never designed for the [H] who are willing to build their own mATX or mITX HTPC - and that's okay. I do wish they would have made some other choices in the Machine's development - RDNA4 GPU (though the Valve-powered FSR4.1 Redstone support for RDNA 3 / 3.x devices like this probably play a large role. Now to see about official backports to the RDNA2 so that the Deck can make use of FSR 4.1+), GPU with more than 8GB option, slotted SODIMMs that at least went up to 32GB of RAM etc and more etc. However, I don't think the prices are unreasonable given A) the incredibly stupid fiscal situation we find outselves in now, doubly so for the cost of certain components B) Valve is not a console platform that makes their money from lock-in and thus has not reason to engage in pissing money down the drain in the hopes of an installed base they can exploit down the line, like the three other major console ecosystems. Even those companies are jacking prices because of A), and their next gen late 2027 console upgrades are likely to all be in excess of $1000 and probably more at the current rate..

What I can at least HOPE will come out of all this is that maybe people are becoming if not completely billigerant but at least a bit less tolerant of the outdated "console" locked down paradigm. Buying a console enables you to do exactly what the console manufacturer allows, requires you to subscribe to their service for online play, buy from exactly one store (and 3rd party key sellers are not allowed to vary significantly if they're even present in the first place), and more. If you build a PC, or buy a Steam Deck / Steam Machine, you get the pick up and play option, while also having a Linux based OS that lets you install whatever stores and games you want, modding and even piracy alike can be done without fears of getting hardware banned by the corporate overlord who owns the console thing you bought with good money yet they seem to control. Its a prefab, mini-PC with a gaming focus and home theater UI ready. Even if you dont buy a Machine, you probably benefit from the massive amount of resources Valve has put into improving gaming, Linux, gaming on Linux, and other features from Proton and SDL to the upcoming x86-64 to ARM64 translation layer that is going to debut properly along the Frame. With all this in mind, I'd certainly rather buy a Steam Machine than some other console nonsense that is going to make my experience worse as a gamer; of course, I can also opt out entirely and just build my own PC. However, if at the end of this people are starting to strain against the outdated console convention because Valve is showing a better path, so much the better.

This was never a device made for "serious gamers" or for those who had no cognition what made it different from both buying or building a PC, and buying a console . Its there for those who want a certain ease of use and value propositions. The fact its not as cheap as a massmarket megacorp loss-leader meant to be the central push in a platform was always going to be the case - maybe there are enough people who can see the difference in the value. If you want just the cheapest possible thing that plays "the games" damn the rest then that's never going to beat something that has a vested interest to get into everyone's hands. Consider that how Meta was selling the Quest headsets way below everything else in the VR space for the same reason - it was a MetaFacebOculous tracker vacuuming up data with their Android branch OS strapped to your face, even when you were using it connected to a PC! However, I'd easily pay slightly more for a Linux powered, privacy respecting update from Valve (even before going into their new translation layer and other features). Maybe some people who are willing to buy the Machine simply because its NOT as limited as other consoles?

It certainly won't be everyone and there are many for whom the Machine was never a target device, but for those who were open to a handful of choices I'd think its possible that some may buy it because of what it does and what it represents, rather than the continued crackdown of expensive proprietary services with greater and greater restriction.
 
RanceJustice said:
A), and their next gen late 2027 console upgrades are likely to all be in excess of $1000 and probably more at the current rate..
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.....and will outperform the Steam Machine even more than the current gen consoles do.....

the Steam Machine is only going to have a harder time playing new/newer games from here on out
 
rinaldo00 said:
WRONG
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Ya pretty much fuck this AI BS. PC is basically done until something changes. Ram and storage prices have clearly ended the PC. I guess check back in a year after the data centers burn... or at least we can argue about how good a deal that timeshare PC subscription is. :) lol
 
kram182 said:
.....and will outperform the Steam Machine even more than the current gen consoles do.....

the Steam Machine is only going to have a harder time playing new/newer games from here on out
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Don't think its going to be much of an issue. Right now there are a bunch of game publishers scrambling to dumb down games. Game devs are going to get destroyed in the next few years. The majority of their sales base is going to be riding 7+ year old PCs.
 
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