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Is Microsoft Fixing Windows 11 or Making It Worse?

Brother Speed, proselytizing isn't my goal, and I don't care at all about Linux newcomers. I simply reflected 2 minor things that I even said I fixed somewhat easily.

You hyperfocused on the 2 minor issues, and ignored the elephant in the room, which is application support. Windows on Snapdragon sucks for this exact same reason.

I'll indulge a lit bit in the newcomer topic. Most Linux newcomers are probably Steam Deck owners, or SteamOS on other handhelds. Another big group is people who don't wanna use unsupported older Windows on old devices. First one is totally dependent on Valve, the latter group doesn't allow for a funding model for proper support. Also, it seems like a lot of people are ditching old computers, and going phone only. I'd like to see Linux succeeding on laptops, but Snapdragon has an exclusive agreement with Microsoft. New Intel chips are pretty good, but they're very expensive. The iGPU can handle Cyberpunk on low settings. I wonder how hard it'd be to get Proton working with Panther Lake. I guess it's somewhat justified to drop $2,000 on a laptop that doubles as a Steam Deck?
 
stuffmonger said:
You hyperfocused on the 2 minor issues, and ignored the elephant in the room, which is application support. Windows on Snapdragon sucks for this exact same reason.
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I didn't hyperfocus on anything, I covered all issues listed by yourself and others, most of which are results of poor distro selection. However if you need Solidworks, then by all means use the OS that best suits your use case. I'm not sure why you tried Linux considering Solidworks.

In relation to gaming, the only titles that don't work are those requiring Javelin or Vanguard/Riccohet rootkit anticheat, and personally I wouldn't install such implementations even if I was running Windows. I game under Linux and ~98% of all my games run perfectly. However, I digress and don't want to drag things off topic, there was simply a little hyperbole regarding Linux that needed to be addressed.

EDIT: Proton would work with Panther Lake, the question is: are Intel's drivers at a point whereby they're performant now? They seem to have ongoing issues under Windows let alone Linux.
 
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Mazzspeed did you give up on the 2% of games, or dual boot to play them? What kinda issue was it? Stutters?
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There was only two games (from memory) that I had to give up, both ran better under Linux than they did under Windows until EA thought it was appropriate to add kernel level anti cheat to games that were (at the time) eight to nine years old with pretty much no in game economies to support - One game was Battlefield 1, the other was Battlefield V. Thankfully I can still play Battlefield 4, for some obscure reason BF3 & BF4 flew under the radar.

In terms of performance, my system is very well optimized, I don't just run hardware out the box and think everything will be right. I'm getting performance that's basically in line with Windows, if not slightly better in certain cases. I certainly never feel like I'm lacking performance, and I like RT as well as PB RT using DLSS as well as RR and FG at times where needed.

I don't dual boot. I haven't used Windows on my own PC since 2013, and I haven't missed it in the slightest - I don't hate Windows, I just have no need for it and by far prefer the OS of my choosing. Furthermore, while I avoid distro's based on Fedora for the reasons you experienced - as long as I'm running the latest KDE DE complete with a few of my own customization's, the distro really doesn't matter, I'm happy and things just work.
 
Mazzspeed said:
There was only two games (from memory) that I had to give up, both ran better under Linux than they did under Windows until EA thought it was appropriate to add kernel level anti cheat to games that were (at the time) eight to nine years old with pretty much no in game economies to support - One game was Battlefield 1, the other was Battlefield V. Thankfully I can still play Battlefield 4, for some obscure reason BF3 & BF4 flew under the radar.

In terms of performance, my system is very well optimized, I don't just run hardware out the box and think everything will be right. I'm getting performance that's basically in line with Windows, if not slightly better in certain cases. I certainly never feel like I'm lacking performance, and I like RT as well as PB RT using DLSS as well as RR and FG at times where needed.

I don't dual boot. I haven't used Windows on my own PC since 2013, and I haven't missed it in the slightest - I don't hate Windows, I just have no need for it and by far prefer the OS of my choosing. Furthermore, while I avoid distro's based on Fedora for the reasons you experienced - as long as I'm running the latest KDE DE complete with a few of my own customization's, the distro really doesn't matter, I'm happy and things just work.
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So you've given up Battlefield 1 and 5, because you like KDE?
If Windows had a DE exactly like KDE, would you choose it?
 
stuffmonger said:
So you've given up Battlefield 1 and 5, because you like KDE?
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No, I gave up Windows because I by far prefer Linux. I barely batted an eyelid when EA decided 8 - 9yo games suddenly needed kernel level anticheat.

stuffmonger said:
If Windows had a DE exactly like KDE, would you choose it?
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Nope. When I stated I prefer the latest version of Plasma, I was talking in the context of Linux - Essentially I believe Gnome lags behind Plasma. I don't use Windows because it offers me nothing that I need, I certainly don't sit here wishing I was running Windows.

Essentially, everything I need, including most of my games, run under Linux just as well as they run under Windows. If you consider Steam, Linux is the second most popular OS on the platform, with vastly more native as well as Proton compatible titles in comparison to MacOS - Linux is essentially Win32 compatible.
 
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You mean the kernel?
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Lets not get into semantics here. I prefer Linux overall, I prefer the DE and therefore the GUI, I prefer the file manager (Dolphin), I prefer the implementation of terminal (the CLI), I prefer by far the updating process, I prefer the freedom and level of customization, and as stated I don't sit here wishing I was running Windows.

I turn PC on or wake PC from sleep, PC goes burrr, I get things done and game in my downtime.

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That counts Steam Deck's SteamOS?
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The latest Steam Survey shows SteamOS sitting at 0.93%, however Arch based distro's make up 0.99%. SteamOS is a stepping stone encouraging users to switch to Linux on their desktop, this is the Steam Deck's purpose, and the evidence is under the Steam survey - CachyOS alone increased by 0.23% compared to the month prior.

What, exactly, are you looking for in asking these questions?
 
Deadjasper said:
For starters it's unintuitive. Second, too much cli, I can't remember the command from one config to another. Thirdly, too damned much security, all of my networking is local so I don't need any damned security. and last but not least, the vast majority of howtos on the web are outdated, don't work or are just plain wrong. I did manage to find a relatively easy way to connect to a Windows share using Nemo connect to server but it remembers nothing so it's a PITA if I have to connect more than twice. As far as connecting Linux to Linux, that's where it really sucks. I have never been able to get it to work and gave up in disgust a long time ago.
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Curious what you are doing?

Mint, CachyOS, you install, done, system gets an IP.. connect to a windows share, sure, map a drive can be a pain vs just browsing a network like windows and connecting, but a quick CLI command for an SMB share:
sudo mount -t cifs -o username= and off you go, and if you want it to auto-mount at login you configure it once and done?

Too much security in what sense? Windows default has the firewall on, linux you can use a GUI to turn the firewall on or off, and by default if it is on, it only block inbound connections, all outbound are allowed? did you perhaps install a locked down kernel version vs the standard one?
 
Microsoft has been degrading the user experience for ages especially in Windows 11, users can't even set up a VPN that works because there are options that need to be set that you can't even access in the new settings panel, etc.

Supposedly they're adding back the ability to move the taskbar but why was it ever removed in the first place.
 
Watched Linus techs video on Xbox mode this morning. I have no idea why people care about windows anymore. It is just an objectively terrible os made by an unlikable incompetent company.

I get that Linux takes some more user engagement. It isn't a product. I can see why Apple has been growing marketshare.

MS just can't do even basic things right.
 
Executioner said:
Some changes to 26H2:


View: https://youtu.be/JYUjW9uWUF8
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Nothing in his video has anything to do with 26H2. There is not a single insider build designated as 26H2 yet.

"Okay so here we are in Windows 11, well... it's still 25H2... but this is going to be the new features for 26H2!!!"

This guy literally made a video about a random Insider build of 25H2, but slapped 26H2 all over the clickbait thumbnail because he knew it would sucker more people in and give him more ad revenue. He is the worst type of streamer, the kind that makes everyone dumber for watching his videos, and diminishes the ability to have real factual discussions about future technology.
 
Executioner said:
LOL - I guess I'll quit posting info on Windows and leave it up to you experts.
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MS throws a lot of shit at the wall with windows. Its what they have always done.
I would say these days they keep the stupid to their insider builds. That just isn't the case is it. They have a habit of pushing half baked crap and then forgetting about it, replacing its functionality and leaving the half baked crap around.

That is one of the stupidest things about windows. In order to make it accessible to all. If X or Y half baked way of accomplishing a task is used by even one person it sticks around for 20 years. How many times do you see someone do something in windows and someone says, "You know there is a faster/better way to do that". Windows is a minefield of half baked ideas. I know one every rightly trashes say Windows 8... but the main issue was MS couldn't commit. The main issue with 8 is it was too much 7 with a 8 UI launcher. They should have deleted EVERYTHING they intended to replace including things like the control panel. MS should be taking notes from the Gnome Desktop developers. lol When you want to move to a new system you KILL the old one.

I don't know someone could make an entire Youtube channel dedicated to featuring the stupid ideas they feature in their beta builds, and how the good stuff gets dropped and the most odd strange things get pushed ready or not. I mean pretending anything in the insider builds is for sure legit coming to mainline windows at this point... I mean no "expert" can really think that is happening.

Anyway sorry I should swear off even posting in the windows threads anymore. :) I so rarely even see windows anymore. I am so very very thankful last few relatives that still call me to troubleshoot stuff swapped to mac. Now when they call its just to call. haha
 
Deadjasper said:
What experts?
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ChadD said:
Watched Linus techs video on Xbox mode this morning. I have no idea why people care about windows anymore. It is just an objectively terrible os made by an unlikable incompetent company.

I get that Linux takes some more user engagement. It isn't a product. I can see why Apple has been growing marketshare.

MS just can't do even basic things right.
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Apple aren't perfect. I updated my Daughters M3 Macbook Air to Tahoe and the inbuilt keyboard simply stopped working, I tried everything, the only fix was to revert back using Time Machine and ignore Tahoe. Furthermore, Apple's support forums are total garbage, worse than even the official Windows support forums run by volunteers (which I never thought would be possible).
 
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Apple aren't perfect. I updated my Daughters M3 Macbook Air to Tahoe and the inbuilt keyboard simply stopped working, I tried everything, the only fix was to revert back using Time Machine and ignore Tahoe. Furthermore, Apple's support forums are total garbage, worse than even the official Windows support forums run by volunteers (which I never thought would be possible).
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Nothings perfect. Of course. Apple has lots of issues.
I know from experience though non techy people that swap to Mac stop having nearly as many just stupid issues. Sure though things can break or be broken on any system.
 
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