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But it ARM? ARM power efficient and fast, unlike x86. ARM cannot run slow and hot. You must be mistaken with x86.
could be doing things that get memory bandwith starved or a bit underpowered.
Wasn't just power limited but according to Carmack, "It gets quite hot even at this level, and I saw a report of spontaneous rebooting on a long run, so was it de-rated before launch?" It's obviously not just a power delivery problem. This would also explain why this was delayed, and obviously not a Windows problem.
So if I get this right then that means the next update is not only not available for previous generation Snapdragon chips but also not available for x86 machines? H1 for ARM and H2 for x86? Microsoft is very much showing their favoritism here. The best thing this could do is make older printer drivers actually work on ARM.
Fat chance…. Bet they use it as a pitch to double down on Microsoft Universal Print Service.
That's a thing? Holy shit they did. They created a problem and then solved it.
Does this mean that Windows needs a complete rewrite for each new ARM CPU ever made? That can't be right.
Well lets be honest it NEEDS one for every new x86 chip as well... they just don't bother. I mean core parking? Intel having to include a "thread director" on their chip packages.
The funny thing is, it’s actually a good print server, kind of like Papercut lite. But it ties in with O365 really well and since the account itself has the printer if they log in to any authorized device their authorized printers follow them, kind of nice actually.
Not exactly, but every aspect of the current iteration of the ARM build is tuned exclusively for the X1 platform. Its audio backend supports it and only it, as does the video components, networking, storage interfaces. Etc.
It does need a rewrite for x86 because look at the performance differences against Linux. This might turn Windows into a very Android like OS in that each version needs to be built specifically for each new hardware.
It's just a DNS server for network printers. Would mean the printer server is still x86.
So this means Nvidia's chip would need their own optimized version then? It also sounds like X1 early adopters will eventually get screwed out of updates in the future.
Its far worse then android. It's windows.
No "will" about it, already happening.
| Game | Native Platform | Performance | Device |
|---|---|---|---|
| Cyberpunk 2077 | Windows x86 (via Proton) | 200+ FPS w/ DLSS | NVIDIA DGX Spark w/ DGX OS (Ubuntu Noble) |
| Counter-Strike 2 | Linux x86 | smooth, no notable performance issues (2+ hour session, mostly arms race) | NVIDIA DGX Spark w/ DGX OS (Ubuntu Noble) |
| Marvel Cosmic Invasion | Linux x86 | no notable performance issues | NVIDIA DGX Spark w/ DGX OS (Ubuntu Noble) |
| Lonely Mountains: Snow Riders | Windows x86 (via Proton) | smooth, no notable performance issues. (2+ hour session) | NVIDIA DGX Spark w/ DGX OS (Ubuntu Noble) |
| DOTA 2 | Linux x86 | smooth, no notable performance issues | NVIDIA DGX Spark w/ DGX OS (Ubuntu Noble) |
| Outer Wilds | Windows x86 (via ProtonGE-10-17) | smooth, no notable performance issues (~20 minute test) | NVIDIA DGX Spark w/ DGX OS (Ubuntu Noble) |
| Half-Life 2 | Linux x86 | smooth, no notable performance issues | NVIDIA DGX Spark w/ DGX OS (Ubuntu Noble) |
| Portal 2 | Linux x86 | smooth, no notable performance issues | NVIDIA DGX Spark w/ DGX OS (Ubuntu Noble) |
| Garry’s Mod | Linux x86 | smooth, no notable performance issues | NVIDIA DGX Spark w/ DGX OS (Ubuntu Noble) |
| Hollow Knight Silksong | Windows x86 (via Proton) | Very smooth (~10 minute test) | NVIDIA DGX Spark w/ Ubuntu Questing |
| Clair Obscur Expedition 33 | Windows x86 (via Proton) | Playable (~10 minute test) | NVIDIA DGX Spark w/ Ubuntu Questing |
| Golf with your Friends | Linux x86 | 100+ FPS, smooth, no notable performance issues | NVIDIA DGX Spark w/ DGX OS (Ubuntu Noble) |
| PEAK | Windows x86 (via ProtonGE-10-17) | Was previously unstable, but is now stable across 3x ~10 minute tests after a recent game update when testing on 1/7/26. (but have not yet tested with multiple players). | NVIDIA DGX Spark w/ DGX OS (Ubuntu Noble) |
No, it really isn't. Games need a good bit of CPU power, depending on the game and newer ones are often hitting it harder. Starfield would be an example of one known to hit the CPU particularly hard. In particular where you see the CPU being a real bottleneck is high frame rates. Hardware Unboxed has done some good tests running games on a 4090 or 5090 in 1080p to CPU bottleneck the game. You find that there's only a few rare simplistic games, like Counterstrike 2, that can really push the FPS up to 500+. There's some games that push up into the low 200s on the fastest CPUs, and plenty that cap out in the 100s.
I mean I know Intels latest CPUs are not high end gaming chips... but really how many people if you sat them down in front of unlabeled machines to AB as 12900k vs a 9800X3D is really going to see the difference? Better yet forget the X3D outlier parts... and compare a 12900K vs a 9700X. The 9700x is probably going to to split the difference at like 175fps or something. The number of people that would correctly pick out the extra 20-30fps isn't going to beat chance. I think someone who drops $4000 on something to be used as a game machine might care. I realize that's not what it was made for, but that seems to be what we are talking about here and the results are very hand wavy and don't seem to really say how it performs. How does the CPU do on games that use it heavily? I do not believe that it gets 200+fps in Cyberpunk, something that only the highest of the high-end gaming CPUs manage.You are sort of proving my point though.
Your examples of "Bad" CPU performance is 150+FPS.
As I said x3d withstanding... cause games love cache. If we are comparing normally cached CPUs... you would have fun trying to buy a CPU that can't game just fine, even if you have a budget of a hundred bucks.
Sure a couple poorly optimized or CPU heavy games exist. They are the outliers though not the majority or the norm. The average PC game right now runs just fine on a 5 year old 6 core CPU. The only CPUs that stand out as really delivering extra frames are the X3D chips. Remove those from the math and CPUs are just not that important. We tell people to buy their place holder 6 core 7600 type CPUs all the time cause really 150FPS or 190FPS? I'm sorry most people just don't care. Of course WE Care we are on [H] We care. Average gamer doesn't care, average gamer doesn't even have a monitor that is higher then 165hz anyway. More like 120fps if they bought it a few years ago.
That whole thing is just an aside on that. Just like no one is really buying the highest end Ryzen Max APUs to game either. Or alternatively: The hardware is fine, but it turns out that there's just only so fast you can emulate x86 on ARM. That combined with cheap x86 chips, and expensive memory, makes it just not all that worth launching.
Specially if an intel x86 soc is on its way and that they are busy enough doing others things, will see with the next snapdragon x2 where things are,
That doesn't mean Nvidia can just take over the x86 market with overpriced MediaTek ARM chips.
This can quickly be XeSS and FSR4 in a very easy switch.
Not during a recession, which we are in.
Didn't Intel announce plans for their 770? Doesn't seem like it's dead.
It not only needs to but it needs to exceed x86 in performance and price.
According to who/waht ?
They won't say, but there will be signs. Despite Trump being against regulation, he seems to be proposing ideas even Democrats would be against. Wonder why the Democrats lost? Banks and industry insiders say a proposed 10% cap on credit card interest rates would result in fewer credit card accounts for Americans and a dip in spending for the U.S. economy. Trump says U.S. to ban large investors from buying homes. The thing about recessions is that nobody wants to say the hard R. Nobody will ever say we're in a recession until we're knee keep in it.
so the anti-regulation guy want to make massive regulations now
? of course he is not against regulations, like any politicians; against regulations he does not like and for regulations he like (actual libertarian/anarchist are extremely rare and write for Reason or try to do some communist commune, they do not go into organized politics and if they do, do not win). What does those 2 propositions has to do with the idea that we are January 13 in a recession (despite record consumer spending and this century record real GDP growth) ?if you remove the AI related spending (such as power generation) then the economy is indeed in a recession. the inflation of all prices (due to AI) will worsen this effectso the anti-regulation guy want to make massive regulations now
People tend to say we are in a recession after 2 consecutive negative real gdp growth quarter and a giant amount of people want to say it and do say it when it happen, high 3.x, followed by 4.x, followed by 5.x is not nearly close to a recession it is one of the most impressive boom of all time.
Imagine trying to start a war with Iran while the US economy is in the trash can. There are probably people who look at the DOW to determine the state of the US economy.
I imagine this is Nvidia trying to squeeze out that 15% performance loss in Linux with their GPU drivers. They're also trying to improve CPU emulator but there's only so much you can do with (JIT) compilation. This also goes to show that Nvidia is aware how bad their gaming performance is compared to AMD and Intel, because of Nvidia's use of ARM. Maybe this is the reason why we don't have a GB10 in gaming laptops?