Steam Deck Price Hike. top model now $949

Mazzspeed said:

Why is everyone blaming Gaben when it's obvious the issue is a result of RAM/SSD supply and demand issues as a result of big tech placing all their eggs into creating a market for AI where no such market exists?

The push for AI is the problem, and given enough time I'm sure the Switch 2 as well as tech devices from a number of other manufacturers will increase proportionally should the trend regarding AI continue with no way to satisfy the demand AI is placing on fab plants.

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Exactly.
Valve has had to deal with this, cause they are in the grand scheme small. They had to reorder supply, and they got hit with the same increases anyone building a PC right now is looking at.
EVERY other device that uses RAM and or Storage is also going to get bumped when resupply time comes.
NO company is going to eat 100s of dollars in increases per unit. Expecting that is nuts.

ChadD said:

NO company is going to eat 100s of dollars in increases per unit. Expecting that is nuts.

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Those other companies aren't akin to Valve with only ~350 employees with multi-billions in net profits annually - they outcompete Google/Amazon/Microsoft in revenue per employee - they even beat Nvidia the most valuable company in the world per capita - before even getting to more akin 'other companies'

And only 1 single employee at Valve would have to take a haircut to afford it all (edit: while still getting paid multi-hundreds of millions annually - after taking said haircut to pay for it all) - can you guess the employee? Pic unrelated.

kram182 said:

Those other companies aren't akin to Valve with only ~350 employees with multi-billions in net profits annually - they outcompete Google/Amazon/Microsoft in revenue per employee - they even beat Nvidia the most valuable company in the world per capita - before even getting to more akin 'other companies'

And only 1 single employee at Valve would have to take a haircut to afford it all (edit: while still getting paid multi-hundreds of millions annually - after taking said haircut to pay for it all) - can you guess the employee? Pic unrelated.

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I broke down the math for you.
IF this price stays where it is for 2 years.... and Valve sells 1 million more Decks in that time. Which is very realistic, probably on the low side.
You are asking them to eat 400 million dollars in PROFIT. Not revenue. PROFIT. 400 million in profit is about 1.2-1.5 Billion dollars in revenue, or put another way 1/4 of their total revenue.

That would be insanely STUPID. No Valve isn't going to eat 1.5 billion dollars on one device. As I also said would you expect them to do the same for the Frame? The Machine... and the steam controller, not many people like paying $150 for a steam controller either.

Ya sounds so logical they can just eat 50 bucks or 400 bucks per unit. You greatly underestimate how much they actually make from games.
When reports say a company GENERATES 6 or 7 billion dollars that is REVENUE. Not profit. Reports are their margins are between 30-40%. Which means yes they make lots of money. Somewhere around a couple billion a year in actual profit. If a game sells on Steam for $100 valve charges the game dev on average $30... then they pay expenses, taxes, and operating expenses and are left with $21. Valve isn't just pocketing 30% of the top. They have actual expenses. Sure they don't have a lot of employees, that is good cause frankly they don't make enough money to justify thousands of employees. (unless like most corps they want to go into massive perma debt)

So yes do the math. You expecting them to eat $400 on say a million hardware units is asking them to spend almost an entire years profits on subsidies. lol
If they were to do the same on their next 2 hardware devices. Your asking a heck of a lot more. Lets say the frame is also price bumped $400 per unit due to Ram/storage costs. Say Valve sells another 3 or 4 million of those at a subsidized price. You are very quickly asking them to commit more money then they generate.

I'm sorry I get you clearly don't like Gabes choices of what to do with his personal funds. Hate away, Yachts are dumb... but so are porsches and loose women but rich dudes fall down those holes as well. Valve can't just eat hardware costs. Even if sales were to magically go up 10% which I don't think anyone believes would happen, just covering that $ spread for a year will kill the entire companies profitability.

ChadD said:

I broke down the math for you.
IF this price stays where it is for 2 years.... and Valve sells 1 million more Decks in that time. Which is very realistic, probably on the low side.
You are asking them to eat 400 million dollars in PROFIT. Not revenue. PROFIT. 400 million in profit is about 1.2-1.5 Billion dollars in revenue, or put another way 1/4 of their total revenue.

That would be insanely STUPID. No Valve isn't going to eat 1.5 billion dollars on one device. As I also said would you expect them to do the same for the Frame? The Machine... and the steam controller, not many people like paying $150 for a steam controller either.

Ya sounds so logical they can just eat 50 bucks or 400 bucks per unit. You greatly underestimate how much they actually make from games.
When reports say a company GENERATES 6 or 7 billion dollars that is REVENUE. Not profit. Reports are their margins are between 30-40%. Which means yes they make lots of money. Somewhere around a couple billion a year in actual profit. If a game sells on Steam for $100 valve charges the game dev on average $30... then they pay expenses, taxes, and operating expenses and are left with $21. Valve isn't just pocketing 30% of the top. They have actual expenses. Sure they don't have a lot of employees, that is good cause frankly they don't make enough money to justify thousands of employees. (unless like most corps they want to go into massive perma debt)

So yes do the math. You expecting them to eat $400 on say a million hardware units is asking them to spend almost an entire years profits on subsidies. lol
If they were to do the same on their next 2 hardware devices. Your asking a heck of a lot more. Lets say the frame is also price bumped $400 per unit due to Ram/storage costs. Say Valve sells another 3 or 4 million of those at a subsidized price. You are very quickly asking them to commit more money then they generate.

I'm sorry I get you clearly don't like Gabes choices of what to do with his personal funds. Hate away, Yachts are dumb... but so are porsches and loose women but rich dudes fall down those holes as well. Valve can't just eat hardware costs. Even if sales were to magically go up 10% which I don't think anyone believes would happen, just covering that $ spread for a year will kill the entire companies profitability.

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You obviously haven't been reading cause I've clearly been saying NET (after costs) profits, not GROSS (before) profits

Gabe makes approximately $1.25-$1.5 billion in dividends annually from his Valve stake ownership.

Math that.

He could afford the recent Steam deck price increase + fix the seasonal sale server issue all by himself. Without touching any other employee's salary or Valve/Steam project's budget.



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There's absolutely zero incentive for valve to subsidize to steam deck or steam machine, because anybody/everybody can go out and buy or build whatever x86 computing platform they want at whatever price point they're comfortable with and ultimately install Steam on it...

It may be a console-like device, but this is not Sony versus Microsoft like competition (or Nintendo) where you absolutely need to get as many units out there as possible. It is a niche product that nobody has to buy unless they really want it.

It's also funny watching people glazing Nintendo with their $500 handheld and their $80 games.

If Valve were to subsidize a handheld to try and capture more of the gaming hardware and OS market, it would be when they eventually release the Steam Deck 2 in 2028-2029. Not 4+ years into the lifecycle of the current Steam Deck and in the middle of the biggest bubble in memory and storage prices ever. By 2028 new memory fabrication plants should be online, so if the AI bubble fuelled by insane amounts of debt but minimal revenue hasn't corrected itself by then, at least more supply should ease memory prices for the Steam Deck 2.

SeymourGore said:

I think the Steam Machine price is going to hurt.

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It would be nice if they offered a bare bones model, BYO SSD and RAM.

kram182 said:

Again, Valve could eat the costs - even if for just twice a year - and would in no way be in danger of going out of business or not making billions still in net profit from doing so. I bet Gabe could even still afford his yachts in the end.

But God forbid someone not glaze Gabe and Valve like the rest of the gaming community. Examples of them not doing things in the name of and simply for consumer friendliness, get lambasted and defended with claims of consumer friendliness

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Dude, did Valve touch you inappropriately or something? This obsession with Gabe doesn’t seem healthy.

kram182 said:

You obviously haven't been reading cause I've clearly been saying NET (after costs) profits, not GROSS (before) profits

Gabe makes approximately $1.25-$1.5 billion in dividends annually from his Valve stake ownership.

Math that.

He could afford the recent Steam deck price increase + fix the seasonal sale server issue all by himself. Without touching any other employee's salary or Valve/Steam project's budget.

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Sure, he is perfectly capable of doing that. But why should he?

gtrguy said:

Dude, did Valve touch you inappropriately or something? This obsession with Gabe doesn’t seem healthy.


Sure, he is perfectly capable of doing that. But why should he?

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Eh. I have largely stayed out of this and I really don't care about the price of any of these devices.

That said, some people who defend Valve and Gabe will happily lambast nVidia, AMD, and everyone else for doing the same thing. I get it. Gabe delivered us a far better games purchasing platform than anyone else and continues to make it better than everyone else. That's a good thing. But when discussing nVidia raising prices the tone of these forums is FAR more negative towards their price increases than when Valve does the same thing. Valve has lots of credit with gamers and so they get nowhere near as much crap when they raise prices compared to other companies.

People play favourites. Nature of the beast. I also "like" Gabe more than I "like" Jensen ... that means I don't give a shit about either one of them but I care slightly less about Jensen. Why? I dunno. Pure emotional reaction to the actions of their companies. People just need to realize they're playing favourites and accept the criticism when they do. It isn't a death knell but instead just human nature to play favourites.

ChadD said:

Its not him pocketing the profits on this BS.
Sanjay Mehrotra Microns CEO has just stated that Micron will become a thousand dollar stock.
SK Hynix just split their CEO position into 2...
Microsoft is wining and dining Hynix...
The Memory companies and their leadership is getting very rich.

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Just look at Microns insider trading report. Execs are selling millions of stock on a regular basis, and have been for years. No money for employee raises though...the greed and ego of these people is off the charts.

Maybe Jensen should be personally subsidizing nVidia gaming GPUs for us?

gtrguy said:

Dude, did Valve touch you inappropriately or something? This obsession with Gabe doesn’t seem healthy.


Sure, he is perfectly capable of doing that. But why should he?

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"He's not under any obligation to!!!!" > "I never said he was, only that he could."

"Well he can't, and it would bankrupt Valve to do so!" > "He can, and it wouldn't, here, look"

Now "Sure OK, he could, but why would he?!" OK, I'll keep playing along.

Aside from the fact (again) the Steam Store has gone down at the start of every seasonal sale for over a decade now, when fixing it would have been akin to accounting error for Valve, yet they don't, never did, never will probably, and shows just how much of Scrooge McDuck-like cheap ass penny pinchers they are.....

Aside from the fact that for a company with the size () and resources () of Valve, going online/to a conference and saying "aww gee willikers guys, anybody got a line on some RAM for lil' ol' hapless and helpless us " is a fucking joke.....

Aside from how pathetically spec'd I think the Steam Machine is (others too), and we haven't even gotten to the punchline of what they're asking for yet (awaiting that one, gonna be a hoot I think)......

I'll simply ask..... does Lord Gaben Patron Saint of Consumer Friendliness not love El XXxEpic 420 NoScopexXX Little Friendly Consumer Guy? Why do you need a reason to do something nice for someone you love?

Ididar said:

Eh. I have largely stayed out of this and I really don't care about the price of any of these devices.

That said, some people who defend Valve and Gabe will happily lambast nVidia, AMD, and everyone else for doing the same thing. I get it. Gabe delivered us a far better games purchasing platform than anyone else and continues to make it better than everyone else. That's a good thing. But when discussing nVidia raising prices the tone of these forums is FAR more negative towards their price increases than when Valve does the same thing. Valve has lots of credit with gamers and so they get nowhere near as much crap when they raise prices compared to other companies.

People play favourites. Nature of the beast. I also "like" Gabe more than I "like" Jensen ... that means I don't give a shit about either one of them but I care slightly less about Jensen. Why? I dunno. Pure emotional reaction to the actions of their companies. People just need to realize they're playing favourites and accept the criticism when they do. It isn't a death knell but instead just human nature to play favourites.

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IF we want to go there. Yes Valve has been fighting the good fight for all of us for a long time.
Hardware, isn't their main thing. They are a software company.
They have been pushing Linux forward as a viable platform for years. They have spent A LOT of money doing that. They have greased wheels (Spent money) to pull many companies that don't want to be open with them. Qualcomm recently open sourced almost everything for their SOC platforms... cause Valve demanded it.

If your asking me do I want Valve burning their profits subsidizing first world toys like the steam deck. Or funding 50-100 contract Linux developers on the down low to make crazy things like Fex work. YES. We would not have proton without them, DXVK was 100% funded by them, VKD3D, the LAVD CPU scheduler. They are funding a bunch of stuff no one knows about yet. They had been funding Fex for a couple years before that became known. They have also been fighting to push anti cheat that doesn't involve kernel level BS.

Are they a charity?
Of course they aren't a charity. Yes they make a lot of $. Gabe is worth a lot of money. Good for him. You know what Gabe could have done long ago? Sell.
Gabe at any time in the past decade could have convinced his handful of partners that it was time to take Valve from private company to IPO cash out for Gabe time. He could have instantly became a multi billionaire and retired to one of his boats long ago. He hasn't he has kept Valve private. Works from his boat (whatever if I had a billion dollars I would work from a beach somewhere as well), continues to fund a bunch of small projects that all have the potential to improve gaming.

Deck pricing sucks. It looks like pricing on everything is going to suck more and more till something changes in terms of supply or demand on mem and storage. I don't think anyone sane is expecting any company to eat the cost increases. There will be further price increases on all sorts of gaming hardware to come yet. When it comes to Valve though, yep you guys are correct. They get more of a pass. They earned it. The other gaming companies like Sony and MS actively work against our interests as consumers. Valve has never done that. His competition may cry that he charges the POOR multi billion dollar game publishing houses too much. But looking at the numbers that is just plain BS. Valves 30%... at 40 points is perfectly good business. If it was so easy to provide the same level of service for consumers and charge less... the Epic store would be a thing, the MS store wouldn't suck, the game developers that try to make their own launchers wouldn't have to be using them to serve you ads to pay for it.

The steam machine and the steam deck represent what can be done, and people will buy it, and since people will buy it, the market will build and sell their own things. Steam is still doing the right thing even if it annoys some people.

Valve's offerings have made it mainstream for the market:


It demonstrates a standard for the market to copy and make better or worse. It's literally the same plan (indirectly) they had last time but with a better software plan/strategy and they built a clear model of what a machine could or should be. As long as their price is fair, not the best, not the cheapest, but fair, it will sell and demonstrates to the market that there are a lot of other gaps to fill for people to glaze for various reasons including price or upgradability etc etc.

dr.stevil said:

It would be nice if they offered a bare bones model, BYO SSD and RAM.

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Yeah - that would likely be the only way I'd pick one up (if it's offered at a reasonable price).

Do people not understand what the term profit means?

"Gross/net profit" is not a thing.
"Gross profit" is a misnomer for "revenue"
"Net profit" is a misnomer for... "profit"

Revenue - expenses = profit

Highwind said:

Do people not understand what the term profit means?

"Gross/net profit" is not a thing.
"Gross profit" is a misnomer for "revenue"
"Net profit" is a misnomer for... "profit"

Revenue - expenses = profit

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If you knew they were misnomers then you had no problem understanding what either meant when either me or the other guy (and plenty of others) used them interchangeably as well.

kram182 said:

If you knew they were misnomers then you had no problem understanding what either meant when either me or the other guy (and plenty of others) used them interchangeably as well.

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Hi

zehoo said:

Just buy a switch 2?

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how about ..nooooo.

zehoo said:

Just buy a switch 2?

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I was a napkin mathing the ram and storage and OLED, that switch 2 price gap narrows considerably almost entirely if you account for those differences in hardware. Definitely apples and oranges.

All of the steam machine clones are the best comparisons. And those prices will almost certainly shift as well, even though YouTube commentary seems to be glazing them as for being bEtTeR aNd MoRe AfFoRdAbLe, while completely ignoring what they're going to be in the coming months as this continues to shake out.

MikeTrike said:

I was a napkin mathing the ram and storage and OLED, that switch price gap narrows considerably almost entirely if you account for those differences in hardware. Definitely apples and oranges.

All of the steam machine clones are the best comparisons. And those prices will almost certainly shift as well, even though YouTube commentary seems to be glazing them as well for being bEtTeR aNd MoRe AfFoRdAbLe, while completely ignoring what they're going to be in the coming months as this continues to shake out.

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The thing a lot of people miss is that Valve is happy if people buy steam machine clones. The entire reason they're making hardware is so more peoople use Steam to buy games. The "competitors" are just doing their job for them. Valve's real goal is getting the 30% cut on all the games that people are now buyiing on Steam instead of from Nintendo, Playstation, or Xbox.

vegeta535 said:

$1200 steam machine is going to be a thing and DoA.

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Exactly what I predicted months ago.

LukeTbk said:

that would ahve been true until a PS6 becamse popular enough for game to not care and optimise for a RX 6700/3700x CPU/regular pci 4.0 nvme speed/16-20GB of available system ram + vram type of hardware.

Crimson desert, resident evil requiem, pragmata, forza horizon 6, 007 first light all run well on old hardware, but if you are big game that try to sale on xbox/ps5, supporting old hardware is not an option it is a must, even if PC hardware was the cheapest it ever was right now.

One issue for new people is that old 5 years+ hardware is not that cheap, that old 6700xt still selling over $270....

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If you want to make comprises on image quality and frame rate sure but if you want 4K 120/240 then there are games pushing the 5090.

kram182 said:

"He's not under any obligation to!!!!" > "I never said he was, only that he could."

"Well he can't, and it would bankrupt Valve to do so!" > "He can, and it wouldn't, here, look"

Now "Sure OK, he could, but why would he?!" OK, I'll keep playing along.

Aside from the fact (again) the Steam Store has gone down at the start of every seasonal sale for over a decade now, when fixing it would have been akin to accounting error for Valve, yet they don't, never did, never will probably, and shows just how much of Scrooge McDuck-like cheap ass penny pinchers they are.....

Aside from the fact that for a company with the size () and resources () of Valve, going online/to a conference and saying "aww gee willikers guys, anybody got a line on some RAM for lil' ol' hapless and helpless us " is a fucking joke.....

Aside from how pathetically spec'd I think the Steam Machine is (others too), and we haven't even gotten to the punchline of what they're asking for yet (awaiting that one, gonna be a hoot I think)......

I'll simply ask..... does Lord Gaben Patron Saint of Consumer Friendliness not love El XXxEpic 420 NoScopexXX Little Friendly Consumer Guy? Why do you need a reason to do something nice for someone you love?

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How about you suggest a real reason he should subsidize it? Like you obviously think he should, so tell us why he should subsidize Steam hardware. You just trolling?

sharknice said:

The thing a lot of people miss is that Valve is happy if people buy steam machine clones. The entire reason they're making hardware is so more peoople use Steam to buy games. The "competitors" are just doing their job for them. Valve's real goal is getting the 30% cut on all the games that people are now buyiing on Steam instead of from Nintendo, Playstation, or Xbox.

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Like I said earlier (I think, could have just been a thought floating in my head), it's the 2015 plan again, with better software and strategy. Instead of trying to convince everybody to get on board, they're just showing them what to do, and they're going to sell every single Steam machine even if they are $1,200, and then everybody else is going to go out and buy a clone, or build their own, or buy buy a portable not a steam deck because they don't want to buy a $1,200 steam machine. Valve still wins.



If Valve is good at one thing, they're pretty good at looking where they've messed up before and doing better next time over and over again. They absolutely don't get everything right on the first go, but they usually also don't give up so easily.

A $1,200 steam machine that people can complain about is the most pro-consumer move they could make. Because other companies will hear the complaints and come in with $600-$900 machines that fill those gaps and Valve will still make money.

While there are a lot of people that don't want to pay $1,200 for a steam machine, they do want a steam machine and will try and replicate (and even modify/tweak) it for lower price to match their needs.

gtrguy said:

How about you suggest a real reason he should subsidize it? Like you obviously think he should, so tell us why he should subsidize Steam hardware. You just trolling?

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Literally because I'm told time and time again he loves le gamerz and is le lord gaben - do you need a reason to do something for someone you supposedly love? Would that not be a gesture of love to le gamerz to do so?

kram182 said:

Literally because I'm told time and time again he loves el gamerz and is el lord gaben - do you need a reason to do something for someone you supposedly love? Would that not be a gesture of love to el gamerz to do so?

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No. See my post above. Their gesture is indirect, and tricking the market into doing that for Valve.

MikeTrike said:

No. See my post above.

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No to which part?

kram182 said:

No to which part?

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He's literally giving you this. The 2015 plan.

MikeTrike said:

He's literally giving you this. The 2015 plan.

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I understand the strategy you're laying out in your comments - but I don't understand how that applies when you say 'No' to what I said - are you saying no he doesn't love le gamerz? Or no he isn't le lord gaben? Or you need a reason to do something nice for someone you love? Or subsidizing the Steam Deck would not be a gesture of love to le gamerz? - as I asked/said and am told by le gamerz.

Edit: I saw your edited part in the original post - a reference device can be shipped to manufacturers - especially now that they know there's pre-established interest in it/the segment - so it doesn't need to be sold by Valve then to consumers/le gamerz - but they are - so my question(s) still apply.

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I understand the strategy you're laying out in your comments - but I don't understand how that applies when you say 'No' to what I said - are you saying no he doesn't love le gamerz? Or no he isn't le lord gaben? Or you need a reason to do something nice for someone you love? Or subsidizing the Steam Deck would not be a gesture of love to le gamerz? - as I asked/said and am told by le gamerz.

Edit: I saw your edited part in the original post - a reference device can be shipped to manufacturers - especially now that they know there's pre-established interest in it/the segment - so it doesn't need to be sold by Valve then to consumers/le gamerz - but they are - so my question(s) still apply.

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I'm saying none of that matters, you're off on a tangent that doesn't matter, I mean you can still argue it if you want. If you enjoy arguing for the sake of arguing but it's not helping anything.

He obviously loves gamers enough to get the market to move on Valve's behalf indirectly.

His $950 steam deck and his supposed $1,200 steam machine will be cloned and people will be happy in all price brackets. The steam deck has obviously already been successfully cloned to varying degrees, everybody wants a piece of the action.



There's no good reason for it to be subsidized if they're operating on a modified 2015 plan.

MikeTrike said:

There's no good reason for it to be subsidized if they're operating on a modified 2015 plan.

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There's no good reason for it to be sold by Valve if it's just a reference device for manufactures to make clones of if that's the real plan, it can just be shipped to the manufactures to clone. What does Valve selling it/them at those prices do? Make the clones (if cheaper) look attractive? So then they're 'playing'/being the bad guy/bad cop? So then it helps to make them 'seem' so, no?

kram182 said:

There's no good reason for it to be sold by Valve if it's just a reference device for manufactures to make clones of if that's the real plan, it can just be shipped to the manufactures to clone. What does Valve selling it/them at those prices do? Make the clones (if cheaper) look attractive? So then they're 'playing'/being the bad guy/bad cop? So then it helps to make them 'seem' so, no?

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Because there are still a significant number of people that want to first party device, and will support valve at a premium price.

I'm still trying to figure out how you're looking at it, I feel like you're making it more complicated than it needs to be.

People see shiny thing, people want thing, people buy shiny thing. Other people see people with shiny thing and complain that shiny thing cost too much so they buy less costly shiny thing, less costly shiny thing still makes them happy. Some people still complain about costly shiny thing even though they really want costly shiny thing.

MikeTrike said:

Because there are still a significant number of people that want to first party device, and will support valve at a premium price.

I'm still trying to figure out how you're looking at it, I feel like you're making it more complicated than it needs to be.

People see shiny thing, people want thing, people buy shiny thing. Other people see people with shiny thing and complain that shiny thing cost too much so they buy less costly shiny thing, less costly shiny thing still makes them happy. Some people still complain about costly shiny thing even though they really want costly shiny thing.

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Perhaps see Ididar 's post again then

Ididar said:

Eh. I have largely stayed out of this and I really don't care about the price of any of these devices.

That said, some people who defend Valve and Gabe will happily lambast nVidia, AMD, and everyone else for doing the same thing. I get it. Gabe delivered us a far better games purchasing platform than anyone else and continues to make it better than everyone else. That's a good thing. But when discussing nVidia raising prices the tone of these forums is FAR more negative towards their price increases than when Valve does the same thing. Valve has lots of credit with gamers and so they get nowhere near as much crap when they raise prices compared to other companies.

People play favourites. Nature of the beast. I also "like" Gabe more than I "like" Jensen ... that means I don't give a shit about either one of them but I care slightly less about Jensen. Why? I dunno. Pure emotional reaction to the actions of their companies. People just need to realize they're playing favourites and accept the criticism when they do. It isn't a death knell but instead just human nature to play favourites.

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Just don't be upset when not everyone wants to jump on the same dick as you do or others do - that's the jist of it. Gabe and Valve aren't above calling out for perceived bullshit - no matter how many le epic lord gaben 420 memes are made.

kram182 said:

They get treated with kid gloves and admissive excusism, not joy - is the point I've clearly been making.

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I think the reason Steam gets a pass is because they are by far the most consumer friendly of the big corpos. If you want to claim that is like being the world's tallest midget that can be true.

kram182 said:

Perhaps see Ididar 's post again then

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I understand the angle even though I don't agree with it.

Comparing a sub part of a thing with a thing is not exactly a reasonable comparison, especially when you consider the high volume versus low volume situation of gpus as a whole versus a handful of steam machines relatively speaking.







It's pretty clear that the big dogs are chasing those dollar bills y'all. That's not to say that Valve doesn't want to make profit, but they're still not the same no matter how much you want to believe it. Nvidia and AMD are chasing control for profit, Valve is chasing more freedom for profit.

rinaldo00 said:

I think the reason Steam gets a pass is because they are by far the most consumer friendly of the big corpos. If you want to claim that is like being the world's tallest midget that can be true.

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You wanting to give him/them a pass doesn't mean I have to give him/them a pass though. That's what many here are missing. Again they act like I'm insulting their actual lord and savior, or mother or something.

MikeTrike said:

I understand the angle even though I don't agree with it.

Comparing a sub part of a thing with a thing is not exactly a reasonable comparison, especially when you consider the high volume versus low volume situation of gpus as a whole versus a handful of steam machines relatively speaking.

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It's pretty clear that the big dogs are chasing those dollar bills y'all. That's not to say about. Doesn't want to make profit, but they're still not the same no matter how much you want to believe it.

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Again - it doesn't have to be Gaben vs Jensen - people want to shit on Nintendo for a Switch price hike - then it's warranted here too as well. No matter whatever other self justification you can come up with not to.

And as I've pointed out - I really have a problem with the servers going down every Steam summer/winter sale - which doesn't need to be and is just them being cheap asses - no way around it.

kram182 said:

You wanting to give him/them a pass doesn't mean I have to give him/them a pass though. That's what many here are missing. Again they act like I'm insulting their actual lord and savior, or mother or something.



Again - it doesn't have to be Gaben vs Jensen - people want to shit on Nintendo for a Switch price hike - then it's warranted here too as well. No matter whatever other self justification you can come up with not to.

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I don't think it's justified to s*** on Nintendo either for the hardware cost increases, same for Sony, etc. Although I do hate their first party game prices, but they can get away with it, again, because people are willing to pay for what they like.

I handle procurement at work, and our $1,200 machines last year are now $1,800. It's being seen and felt everywhere for all of the centralized compute AI nonsense that all the monster mega corps have a big hardon for.

MikeTrike said:

I handle procurement at work, and our $1,200 machines last year are now $1,800. It's being seen and felt everywhere for all of the centralized compute AI nonsense then all the monster mega corps have a big hardon for.

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And as I've made the case for and shown - Valve/Gabe is in a unique position unlike all those other companies - where they could easily subsidize the cost to no detrimental effect. They just don't and won't. Not even for the much cheaper server/Steam sale fix only. They're just cheap.

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He's literally giving you this. The 2015 plan.

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All of those failed, I do not have high hopes for Steam Machine 2.