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Star Citizen - media blowout, Chris Robert's new game

alright boys, Trying to figure out the bottleneck on my sons pc. and wanting to maybe upgrade him sub 3-400 bucks. I know the game runs like dog shit but trying to get better frames. hes getting like 25-30 in cities but hes been doing onyx facilities ~15 fps. I cant have my own son get that low of FPS in this house...

5600x <--- probably the culprit, will a 5600x3d/5800x3d net high yeilds? switching to AM5 is not a financial swing im willing to do currently to net 10 fps.
3080
32gb ddr4 ram XMP on
1tb nvme
3440x1440 144hz


and keep your damn scam comments to yourself. Im a fool who enjoys being parted with his money!
 
Dan said:
alright boys, Trying to figure out the bottleneck on my sons pc. and wanting to maybe upgrade him sub 3-400 bucks. I know the game runs like dog shit but trying to get better frames. hes getting like 25-30 in cities but hes been doing onyx facilities ~15 fps. I cant have my own son get that low of FPS in this house...

5600x <--- probably the culprit, will a 5600x3d/5800x3d net high yeilds? switching to AM5 is not a financial swing im willing to do currently to net 10 fps.
3080
32gb ddr4 ram XMP on
1tb nvme
3440x1440 144hz


and keep your damn scam comments to yourself. Im a fool who enjoys being parted with his money!
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What motherboard are you running? AM4 I think based on CPU/Ram.

The 5800x3d is a good choice, short of getting a new Mobo (am5), new ram, and a new CPU, all at the same time. Which was expensive even before the ram apocalypse.

Dont know what else your son uses the computer for - assuming web browsing, tv and the run of the mill type stuff and the 5800x3d will do a good job there too. (Which I am sure you already know)
 
Dan said:
alright boys, Trying to figure out the bottleneck on my sons pc. and wanting to maybe upgrade him sub 3-400 bucks. I know the game runs like dog shit but trying to get better frames. hes getting like 25-30 in cities but hes been doing onyx facilities ~15 fps. I cant have my own son get that low of FPS in this house...

5600x <--- probably the culprit, will a 5600x3d/5800x3d net high yeilds? switching to AM5 is not a financial swing im willing to do currently to net 10 fps.
3080
32gb ddr4 ram XMP on
1tb nvme
3440x1440 144hz


and keep your damn scam comments to yourself. Im a fool who enjoys being parted with his money!
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I concur it COULD be the 5600X (and I agree that a 5800X3D would be a nice upgrade while staying on AM4, beneficial in SC and many other games he may be playing), but one thing that seems unusual to me is that he's getting more FPS in cities than on missions? Usually its the other way around (especially Orison - for awhile on my old platform that was the one place that I would never go because the sky-trams and cherry blossoms were beautiful but I was freezing left and right, admittedly years ago on much older hardware so it may be better now.). I know that Star Citizen is one of the few games that make decent use of multithreaded processors (there was a relatively recent backend feature that affected this as I recall, and there's something on the roadmap yet to come but I don't remember the specifics offhand), but putting aside the other system use / demands on the CPU, I can't imagine the game would struggle with a recent, Zen3 6-core CPU itself necessarily.

The other hardware seems reasonable powerful, but just make sure that he has all the game options configured accurately. For instance, I recall that you need to put the GPU graphical setting on "high" especially if you have a lower powered CPU; at least at one time "high" settings were necessary to put emphasis on the GPU. The 3080 I imagine should do pretty well playing at that resolution as long as settings are configured properly and VRR is on. Doublecheck his settings just to make sure, but I had no problem with a previous 3090 and before that even a 1070 though I was running at 1080p for the latter. 32GB of RAM is what I'd consider a near requirement for high performance SC; I'd say go for 64 if there's an AM5 rebuild at some point as SC can benefit but especially in the current RAM costs circumstance, I doubt its the cause of his woes, the way that it could be if he was only running with 8GB or perhaps even 16GB. 1TB NVME storage should be fine, just make sure he has enough room on the drive so that the virtual memory isn't getting compromised . This is an issue I've seen before on Windows where people fill up their SSD and the virtual RAM/Swap part of the drive (especially if its dynamic) gets full/has no real room or less than it used to, so leading to performance issues out of nowhere. Probably not the concern here, but I'd check the settings for virtual memory and make sure there's enough room on whatever OS drive/SSD if the game dips into swap.

In any event, once you check around I imagine that a 5800X3D would be an inexpensive upgrade all around and if there's a a raw hardware performance issue CPU seems to be the most likely of what's listed.
 
Dan said:
alright boys, Trying to figure out the bottleneck on my sons pc. and wanting to maybe upgrade him sub 3-400 bucks. I know the game runs like dog shit but trying to get better frames. hes getting like 25-30 in cities but hes been doing onyx facilities ~15 fps. I cant have my own son get that low of FPS in this house...

5600x <--- probably the culprit, will a 5600x3d/5800x3d net high yeilds? switching to AM5 is not a financial swing im willing to do currently to net 10 fps.
3080
32gb ddr4 ram XMP on
1tb nvme
3440x1440 144hz


and keep your damn scam comments to yourself. Im a fool who enjoys being parted with his money!
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You arent going to see much of a gain unless the CPU is sitting pegged - and I dont think it is. The r5 3600 is not pegged in my plex server when I use it for SC.
The RAM can be helpful, I have 128 and have seen the game take more than 30 at times.
The GPU should be fine unless he refuses to use the DLSS or other implementation in the game and settings are above the VRAM limit especially.

Main system is R7 5800x, 128 DDR4, 4070, nvme
Plex is r5 3600, 32 DDR4, 3060ti, nvme
Both can run the game at their maxed out settings based on VRAM usage averaging 45-80.

There is no real "need" to upgrade - something else is wrong if performance is that bad. The last time I saw performance like that in the game, I was using a 1060 6gb nearly 5 years ago.
I have run the game on my plex server in the last few months just to see, which is an r5 3600, 32gb, and a 3060ti... the game runs fine on that as well; There is zero reason for it to be at that low an FPS unless he is setting the settings above what it can handle - just use the GPU VRAM bar, stay under the recomended amount in settings and it should be more than fine.
Has he done the basics like clearing the cache/user folder etc? I have had shader cache cause issues before, including low FPS and glitching textures
 
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You guys really like Sci-fi
 
jonneymendoza said:
Maybe, just maybe some people enjoy the game?
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I don't know how so many do enjoy it. I tried getting into it Star Citizen a couple of years ago but gave up very early as I couldn't figure out how to leave my f'ing room :dead: It desperately needs a tutorial and I don't have the time to research online.
 
TangledThornz said:
I don't know how so many do enjoy it. I tried getting into it Star Citizen a couple of years ago but gave up very early as I couldn't figure out how to leave my f'ing room :dead: It desperately needs a tutorial and I don't have the time to research online.
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I'm a pretty simple man and don't enjoy the RPG mechanics shoe-horned into most games now. I didn't find the game overly complicated in terms of walking around, shooting and that kind of thing. I was able to figure out ship piloting at a basic level pretty quickly as well.
 
TangledThornz said:
I don't know how so many do enjoy it. I tried getting into it Star Citizen a couple of years ago but gave up very early as I couldn't figure out how to leave my f'ing room :dead: It desperately needs a tutorial and I don't have the time to research online.
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They do have a tutorial / new player guide, for a while now.
 
TangledThornz said:
I don't know how so many do enjoy it. I tried getting into it Star Citizen a couple of years ago but gave up very early as I couldn't figure out how to leave my f'ing room :dead: It desperately needs a tutorial and I don't have the time to research online.
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As others have mentioned there is a basic tutorial now when creating a new character. Not sure when you played, but leaving your room is usually just a matter of walking to the door and pressing the activate key (like F or whatever it may be bound to by default). Also when you're using the interaction mode (where you hold or toggle the button and it brings up a mouse pointer on screen, instead of mouselook) many things in the world you can interact with display varying commands when you're in close proximity to them. While the tutorial mission lines now are viable and teach some of the basics of on foot movement, flight, navigation etc and more, I'm sure that the sophitication and depth of the tutorials will continue to grow. In addition, the single player campaign of Squadron42 will also serve as a tutorial of sorts in addition to a sampler of many different gameplay systems and dynamics.

However, aside from the current tutorials built in, if you need some help aside from just reading around varying sites or checking Spectrum (the forum and chat community element officially by CIG. Its kind of cool that the chat uses the XMPP protocol), there's also a pretty comprehensive Guide system - https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/guide . Players can put forth a request for help about myriad subjects and select from other players who are currently willing and able to offer assistance in certain fields. Later if and when you become proficient and want to help others, you can volunteer too. There are some in-game tokens and trinkets that can benefit both the Guide and the learner, so it encourages players to do a good job as you rate each other at the completion of the session. While the option to simply ask chat in game is always present, if you want a deeper tutorial from someone who's comfortable committing some time to help others out, Guides can be a pretty decent option.
 
RanceJustice said:
As others have mentioned there is a basic tutorial now when creating a new character. Not sure when you played, but leaving your room is usually just a matter of walking to the door and pressing the activate key (like F or whatever it may be bound to by default). Also when you're using the interaction mode (where you hold or toggle the button and it brings up a mouse pointer on screen, instead of mouselook) many things in the world you can interact with display varying commands when you're in close proximity to them. While the tutorial mission lines now are viable and teach some of the basics of on foot movement, flight, navigation etc and more, I'm sure that the sophitication and depth of the tutorials will continue to grow. In addition, the single player campaign of Squadron42 will also serve as a tutorial of sorts in addition to a sampler of many different gameplay systems and dynamics.

However, aside from the current tutorials built in, if you need some help aside from just reading around varying sites or checking Spectrum (the forum and chat community element officially by CIG. Its kind of cool that the chat uses the XMPP protocol), there's also a pretty comprehensive Guide system - https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/guide . Players can put forth a request for help about myriad subjects and select from other players who are currently willing and able to offer assistance in certain fields. Later if and when you become proficient and want to help others, you can volunteer too. There are some in-game tokens and trinkets that can benefit both the Guide and the learner, so it encourages players to do a good job as you rate each other at the completion of the session. While the option to simply ask chat in game is always present, if you want a deeper tutorial from someone who's comfortable committing some time to help others out, Guides can be a pretty decent option.
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Thanks, I think it was two or three years ago. I recall it was right after I finished watching THE EXPANSE series and craved moar space adventures, lol.

I may give SC another go but not sure if I have the time to dedicate for these kinds of large scale games anymore 😱
 
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