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Microsoft CEO says the quiet part out aloud — AI must be used to do something useful for society, else will lose permission to burn up resources

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Microsoft CEO warns that we must 'do something useful' with AI or they'll lose 'social permission' to burn electricity on it​

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By Tyler Wilde published 5 hours ago
Workers should learn AI skills and companies should use it because it's a "cognitive amplifier," claims Satya Nadella.


In a conversation at this year's rich person convention—aka the World Economic Forum—Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella warned that AI will lose public support unless it's used to "do something useful that changes the outcomes of people and communities and countries and industries."

"We will quickly lose even the social permission to take something like energy, which is a scarce resource, and use it to generate these tokens, if these tokens are not improving health outcomes, education outcomes, public sector efficiency, private sector competitiveness, across all sectors, small and large, right?" said Nadella. "And that, to me, is ultimately the goal."


Addressing the notion that AI is a bubble waiting to burst, Nadella said that it's only a bubble if tech company partnerships and infrastructure spending are all there is to it. He's confident, however, that AI will "bend the productivity curve" and bring "economic growth all around the world, not just economic growth driven by capital expense."


https://www.pcgamer.com/software/ai...-social-permission-to-burn-electricity-on-it/
 
Bash AI up your extremities Satya Nadella.

It's bad enough that I'm forced to pay for this rubbish under Google Workspace, and even though I contacted Google and made them supply me with the 'opt out' button, I still have to pay for it as it's part of the plan now. It's a phrase regurgitation machine, literally an electronic Parrot, and I'm not interested.
 
Maybe if it cured cancer then people might allow it to burn resources like there's no tomorrow. Everyone knows the main appeal of this technology is to take peoples jobs, and nobody wants to subsidize this. The truth is that AI can't do anything that doesn't result in hallucinations, which means people aren't losing jobs as quickly as they'd like. It's only practical use is making art, and it's called slop for a reason. Even in with ART, there's already so much competition that it doesn't look like anyone could actually make a decent profit. KlingAI, Google's VEO, Luma Ray, XAI GROK, MINIMAX HAILUO, and so much more. All for what? To make slop.

 
DukenukemX said:
Maybe if it cured cancer then people might allow it to burn resources like there's no tomorrow. Everyone knows the main appeal of this technology is to take peoples jobs, and nobody wants to subsidize this. The truth is that AI can't do anything that doesn't result in hallucinations, which means people aren't losing jobs as quickly as they'd like. It's only practical use is making art, and it's called slop for a reason. Even in with ART, there's already so much competition that it doesn't look like anyone could actually make a decent profit. KlingAI, Google's VEO, Luma Ray, XAI GROK, MINIMAX HAILUO, and so much more. All for what? To make slop.
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Good creative people can use it to supplement good art. Shitty creative people will still be creating shit, it'll just look fancier. The big problem with all this is that, as far as clicks are concerned, it is driving lots of attention towards lots of crap until people become disillusioned with the whole thing. Lots of fake trailers being produced that people click on thinking they're real when they're just AI trash. All that is driving a deep sense of distrust of what is legitimate and what isn't.

But, as long as it drives token use the AI overlords don't give a crap and the people making all the fake rip-offs are making their $$ short term and don't give a shit about long term implications.

The only up-side to this whole thing is that good creative people can now produce nicer looking end products. I just wish we didn't have to get the metric tons of slop that goes along with it. Finding the good stuff among the slop is tedious and it'll just mean the good stuff is buried so deep because they can't keep up with the mass-produced slop.

Can it do good? Yes. Is it going to be a net positive? I don't think so. Not for a long while until people figure out a way to filter the slop from the solid content.
 
Ididar said:
The only up-side to this whole thing is that good creative people can now produce nicer looking end products. I just wish we didn't have to get the metric tons of slop that goes along with it. Finding the good stuff among the slop is tedious and it'll just mean the good stuff is buried so deep because they can't keep up with the mass-produced slop.
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The upside is that people with no artist skill but with good ideas can now make it themselves. The problem is that we'll need a better way to filter out all the crap that five year olds are making.
Can it do good? Yes. Is it going to be a net positive? I don't think so. Not for a long while until people figure out a way to filter the slop from the solid content.
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It depends on how good the tools get, and how accessible they are. Right now, no. Whatever AI is producing is not a net positive. Maybe soon, but not at the cost of increasing water and electric costs.
 
DukenukemX said:
The upside is that people with no artist skill but with good ideas can now make it themselves. The problem is that we'll need a better way to filter out all the crap that five year olds are making.
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Yes and no. Often you find that some of the best art, be it music, movies, or other things are often made great because of the collaboration between people. An actor will have a different take than the director on a scene that turns it from "ok" to brilliant. A musician will have a take on the score behind a scene that the creators didn't think of that turns things on its head. All that differing perspective will be watered down over time. While people with no artistic skills can make stuff themselves it'll still be "ok" and not brilliant. Take Robin Williams out of many of his films and they'd have gone from masterpieces to good, but not brilliant. Actors, artists, musicians ... they can be replaced but it doesn't mean the quality is going to be as good or that you're going to get truly brilliant pieces of music or art. AI is not going to produce a performance equal to Williams in Dead Poets Society. At most it'll produce some averaged amalgamation of different performances but nothing truly brilliant. The story can be good if the person using AI to produce it has a great idea and knows how to write a good script but it doesn't mean that the performance, done by AI, is going to have the same charisma as a good quality actor.
 
AI will be used to rapidly increase successful "hacking". IMHO, it will become it's number one use case. It's where the "big money" is. After that, pretty much the rest of the "vices" follow (from the horrible to the acceptable sins), with regards to potential use cases. As for "useful for society", I see those items being way way way down on the list. Not saying that there isn't some similarity to "the Internet" dot-com craze of the late 90s and up to the dot-bomb.
 
DukenukemX said:
Maybe if it cured cancer then people might allow it to burn resources like there's no tomorrow. Everyone knows the main appeal of this technology is to take peoples jobs, and nobody wants to subsidize this. The truth is that AI can't do anything that doesn't result in hallucinations, which means people aren't losing jobs as quickly as they'd like. It's only practical use is making art, and it's called slop for a reason. Even in with ART, there's already so much competition that it doesn't look like anyone could actually make a decent profit. KlingAI, Google's VEO, Luma Ray, XAI GROK, MINIMAX HAILUO, and so much more. All for what? To make slop.
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And create meme and useless auto replies in social media platforms. It would be interesting to see true numbers of what most LLM's are actually used for, compared out to actual power usage and such. I want to say I might of seen something last year, but can't find it. I believe part of the "stop saying thank you to your LLMs because it burns lots of resources" stories...

Then, compare that to very specialized LLM's that companies may be using internally, ones that are trained on proper data sets and are doing actual useful work...
 
I think AI will have a bit of positive benefit here and there. But so much of it is being used for abject stupidity. They know it, hence what he said.
 
My place of employment is really pushing this M365 stuff on us.. mandates such as no longer putting attachments in emails.. and we should be linking them in the various MS apps, etc...
"volunteering" us for 8 (each) 90 minute sessions of M365/AI training to be finished up in this month..

yippee :hungover:
 
jlbenedict said:
My place of employment is really pushing this M365 stuff on us.. mandates such as no longer putting attachments in emails.. and we should be linking them in the various MS apps, etc...
"volunteering" us for 8 (each) 90 minute sessions of M365/AI training to be finished up in this month..

yippee :hungover:
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I run the show with Client/Server side IT where I'm at. I don't force the issue with attachments. I figure when MS gets tired of mailboxes that are 10TB, they'll start forcing links out of Onedrive, etc.
 
jlbenedict said:
My place of employment is really pushing this M365 stuff on us.. mandates such as no longer putting attachments in emails.. and we should be linking them in the various MS apps, etc...
"volunteering" us for 8 (each) 90 minute sessions of M365/AI training to be finished up in this month..

yippee :hungover:
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I mean really these days there is little reason to attach files in emails if it is within the company. Many reasons, one you get far less duplicates and people sharing files over and over where you can just use onedrive/sharepoint and keep 1 copy. Also for data protection and know what is where and who has permission to what.

CoPilot with in a tenant is not bad for things like searching your own files and stuff.
 
jlbenedict said:
My place of employment is really pushing this M365 stuff on us.. mandates such as no longer putting attachments in emails.. and we should be linking them in the various MS apps, etc...
"volunteering" us for 8 (each) 90 minute sessions of M365/AI training to be finished up in this month..

yippee :hungover:
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Yeah, no thanks. I can drag and drop an attachment into my email far faster than moving it to onedrive or sharepoint and then copy and paste a link ... then discover not everyone on the email has access, fixing that ... No thanks. Drag, drop, send.
 
"quiet" ? (when it is the most PR/politically correct thing to say... and always been said by everyone)
 
AI is useful for Sora AI shorts. Umm what else ...

I think stuff like real time language translation will be a cool use for AI in the future.
 
bigdogchris said:
AI is useful for Sora AI shorts. Umm what else ...
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waymo's self-driving car is one of the big one that regular people can use AI for in a spectacular way.

Pharma research is a giant use case, meteo, material science, they are harder for people to experiment/see them, coding is in between.

bigdogchris said:
I think stuff like real time language translation will be a cool use for AI in the future.
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In China that has been going on for since the late 2010s, thats a been used for a little while use case for it.
 
LukeTbk said:
waymo's self-driving car is one of the big one that regular people can use AI for in a spectacular way.

Pharma research is a giant use case, meteo, material science, they are harder for people to experiment/see them, coding is in between.


In China that has been going on for since the late 2010s, thats a been used for a little while use case for it.
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Sorry I was being a bit sarcasitc and mostly thinking about end user/consumer AI like in computers/browsers, etc.
 
bigdogchris said:
mostly thinking about end user/consumer AI
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waymos and Tesla FSD are end user/consumer AI, stuff in browser that manage your hotel reservation/book flight/cancel subscription will not be considered super useful, like elderly care robots, self-driving, medical stuff by most.

That probably what it needs for many super flashy tangible physical world use case, like waymos. Protein prediction, superb and cheap meteo and coding will stay abstract for many.
 
I'm convinced the ai we get to play with that they say the data centers are for....is probably a fake front somehow backed by the government and they are building mass surveillance centers and that the real goal is basically real time data on everyone....

Its not just the government that wants the data.....think how much a system that knows everything about you and does real time price changes based on what price point it thinks you will buy something as you walk past items in a store/online like that ai vending machine test they did
 
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