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Billy Mitchell Now Suing Karl Jobst

rinaldo00 said:
That is a bad way to phrase it and why people are responding to you the way that they are. Civil cases are enforced by Civil Law.
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That's also a bad way of phrasing it since civil law is not enforced by default like criminal law, you have to be sued by another civil entity.
rinaldo00 said:
https://reyabogado.com/us/which-of-...nce-between-criminal-trials-and-civil-trials/


To be accurate you need to say there are no CRIMINAL legal consequences.
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Yes, sorry, I should've added criminal. For some reason I automatically associated legal consequences with criminal law.
 
Karl lost due to supposedly alleging that a fellow gamer committed suicide because of Billy, even though he said no such things in his videos.
 
Armenius said:
Karl lost due to supposedly alleging that a fellow gamer committed suicide because of Billy, even though he said no such things in his videos.
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if karl lost without having said anything like that, why isn’t he appealing?

is there an appeal
 
Armenius said:
Karl lost due to supposedly alleging that a fellow gamer committed suicide because of Billy, even though he said no such things in his videos.
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He certainly implied it.

From this article

https://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-indu...d-holder-billy-mitchell-in-defamation-ruling/

"Jobst' video—subtly titled 'The Biggest Conmen in Video Game History Strike Again!'—implied that Mitchell's settlement with Smith involved the latter paying him a large sum of money, ultimately leading to his suicide in 2020. Jobst also claimed in the video that Mitchell had "expressed joy at the thought" of Smith's death. It was this—and not any claim about the legitimacy of Mitchell's Donkey Kong scores—that prompted Mitchell to sue Jobst."

Jobst stated as FACT that Apollo Legend was forced to pay Billy money, and he stated as FACT that the amount was 1 million dollars despite Apollo Legends' brother going on record stating that no money was awared.
 
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Armenius said:
Karl lost due to supposedly alleging that a fellow gamer committed suicide because of Billy, even though he said no such things in his videos.
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He did say it, then later changed the video editing that part out, then made a 2 or 3 minute retraction in the middle of a 30+ minute video that was unrelated to Billy Mitchell. This proved to the judge that Karl knew he made false accusations and tried to sweep it under the rug. Had the retraction gotten its own dedicated video with a proper title, there wouldn't have been a case.
 
Tsumi said:
He did say it, then later changed the video editing that part out, then made a 2 or 3 minute retraction in the middle of a 30+ minute video that was unrelated to Billy Mitchell. This proved to the judge that Karl knew he made false accusations and tried to sweep it under the rug. Had the retraction gotten its own dedicated video with a proper title, there wouldn't have been a case.
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsK4VMYEMSE
 
LOL:

TL;DW1. I am an idiot.2. Billy lost half a million dollars.3. None of the money this channel earns goes to Billy.4. Billy is a moron.5. The Gofundme was not a scam.6. Billy is a lying conman.7. Billy does not stand on things to make himself look taller.8. Sloptubers are the worst.
 
Watched only the five minutes, god he sounds like a robot reading off a script. It's also telling that he didn't show his face at all in that time period.
 
Hey, we get a new chapter!

https://www.ign.com/articles/karl-j...inst-donkey-kong-record-holder-billy-mitchell
Karl Jobst Files Defamation Lawsuit Against Donkey Kong Record Holder Billy Mitchell

he lawsuit alleges Mitchell engaged in the “unauthorized appropriation of name or likeness and intentional infliction of emotional distress.” Jobst’s complaint notes his status as a creator with more than 1 million subscribers on YouTube, suggesting that damage to his “reputation for credibility and trustworthiness” has negatively affected his earnings.
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Now, Jobst alleged public comments made by Mitchell related to the former’s bankruptcy process and crowdfunding campaigns are false, clarifying that he made these statements “with knowledge of their falsity or with reckless disregard for the truth.”
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https://x.com/BillyPacMan/status/2055397375582290419

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Billy Mitchell

@BillyPacMan

“Karl Jobst claimed that I refinanced my house to pay for my lawsuit against him.In reality, I refinanced my house to pay for my daughter’s law school.She and her law firm are now representing me against him. Thanks for the incredible ROI.”
 
At this point I don't even know what's going on. Did Billy cheat or not, and is there actual hard evidence that he did, if he did?
 
jbltecnicspro said:
At this point I don't even know what's going on. Did Billy cheat or not, and is there actual hard evidence that he did, if he did?
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Ironically, that doesn’t seem to matter. It’s lawsuits based on defamation instead.
 
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At this point I don't even know what's going on. Did Billy cheat or not, and is there actual hard evidence that he did, if he did?
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He cheated on Donkey Kong by playing on an emulator and not a machine.
There is very compelling, but not 'I saw him cheat', type evidence.
This lawsuit has nothing to do about cheating. Jobst claimed another Youtuber had to pay Billy 1 million dollars which caused that Youtuber to commit suicide. Neither claims were true so Billy sued Jobst for defamation and won.
 
rinaldo00 said:
He cheated on Donkey Kong by playing on an emulator and not a machine.
There is very compelling, but not 'I saw him cheat', type evidence.
This lawsuit has nothing to do about cheating. Jobst claimed another Youtuber had to pay Billy 1 million dollars which caused that Youtuber to commit suicide. Neither claims were true so Billy sued Jobst for defamation and won.
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So basically ...

> Grown man never grows up and spends way too much time playing Donkey Kong, cheats for fame and glory

> Draws ire of YouTuber who apparently thought they can hyperbolize their way onto the center stage of this scandal, winds up peddling bullshit, doubles down and digs themselves into a world record level hole

> Uno fucking reverse card

A masterpiece
 
MaZa said:
No argument here. Still, Jobst pissed into his own cereals and that is his own fault. He needs to learn to take a loss like a man and shut up.
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he did. where did that statement come from? because there's this thread? Jobst didn't start this thread.

btw, are you a billy supporter? you really think he's owed $1million of Jobst's money? wow. It's like you acting like Karl's still complaining, which he's not, is actually telling a lie about someone on the internet, that he should be entitled to $1million of your money. seems fair, right?
 
d3athf1sh said:
he did. where did that statement come from? because there's this thread? Jobst didn't start this thread.

btw, are you a billy supporter? you really think he's owed $1million of Jobst's money? wow. It's like you acting like Karl's still complaining, which he's not, is actually telling a lie about someone on the internet, that he should be entitled to $1million of your money. seems fair, right?
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WTF? What gave you that idea? I was agreeing with you for petes sake. For all intents and purposes Billy should have lost, all evidence that I am aware off were against him but he won because the lawyer fucked up real bad.
 
M76 said:
*world top donkey kong player, as I've never heard or seen him play any other game.
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He legitimately set the Pacman record and was the first person to 'break' the game. That is what started it all. He was invited by the company to meet the CEO and it was covered by the press. Donkey Kong came much later.
 
MaZa said:
WTF? What gave you that idea? I was agreeing with you for petes sake. For all intents and purposes Billy should have lost, all evidence that I am aware off were against him but he won because the lawyer fucked up real bad.
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Incorrect, it was a clear cut case of deformation. Read back a few pages if you want the details.
 
d3athf1sh said:
he did. where did that statement come from? because there's this thread? Jobst didn't start this thread.

btw, are you a billy supporter? you really think he's owed $1million of Jobst's money? wow. It's like you acting like Karl's still complaining, which he's not, is actually telling a lie about someone on the internet, that he should be entitled to $1million of your money. seems fair, right?
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Karl most definitely is still complaining. After Jobst lost the deformation case instead of just walking away he filled his own deformation case.

I am not a fan of either man, I just want to correct misinformation which this thread is full of.
 
d3athf1sh said:
he did. where did that statement come from? because there's this thread? Jobst didn't start this thread.

btw, are you a billy supporter? you really think he's owed $1million of Jobst's money? wow. It's like you acting like Karl's still complaining, which he's not, is actually telling a lie about someone on the internet, that he should be entitled to $1million of your money. seems fair, right?
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Plus Jobst definitely owes Billy money.

socK said:

https://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-indu...d-holder-billy-mitchell-in-defamation-ruling/

YouTuber Karl Jobst to pay more than $230,000 to Donkey Kong record holder Billy Mitchell in defamation ruling
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https://x.com/karljobstgaming/status/1906894274752590183

People need to understand that the lawsuit had nothing to do with game scores or cheating.
 
d3athf1sh said:
he did. where did that statement come from? because there's this thread? Jobst didn't start this thread.

btw, are you a billy supporter? you really think he's owed $1million of Jobst's money? wow. It's like you acting like Karl's still complaining, which he's not, is actually telling a lie about someone on the internet, that he should be entitled to $1million of your money. seems fair, right?
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“In fair consideration of the expert opinion provided by Dr. Zyda on behalf of Mr. Mitchell, and consistent with Twin Galaxies' dedication to the meticulous documentation and preservation of video game score history, Twin Galaxies shall heretofore reinstate all of Mr. Mitchell’s scores as part of the official historical database on Twin Galaxies’ website.”
https://www.twingalaxies.com/newsDetails/6194
 
erek said:
“In fair consideration of the expert opinion provided by Dr. Zyda on behalf of Mr. Mitchell, and consistent with Twin Galaxies' dedication to the meticulous documentation and preservation of video game score history, Twin Galaxies shall heretofore reinstate all of Mr. Mitchell’s scores as part of the official historical database on Twin Galaxies’ website.”
https://www.twingalaxies.com/newsDetails/6194
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Historical database. That's a separate page, and not the "current" high score list.
 
1_rick said:
Historical database. That's a separate page, and not the "current" high score list.
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Correct since all of his scores have been beaten.

For anyone curious about his skills here is the list


Notable scores
Mitchell set high-score records on several games in the 1980s and 1990s. Since his initial high score in Donkey Kong in 1982, and record-breaking attempts between 2004 and 2010, others have matched or surpassed Mitchell's scores.

In 1982, Mitchell set a record on Donkey Kong with 874,300 points.[5]
In 1984, he set a record score for BurgerTime of 7,881,050, which stood until 2005.[62][63]
In January 1985, he set a new record score for Ms. Pac-Man of 703,560, which stood until it was surpassed in 2001 by Ayra.[64]
He set a record score for Donkey Kong Jr. of 957,300 in 2004.[62]
He said he recaptured the world records for both Donkey Kong (1,062,800 points) and Donkey Kong Jr. (1,270,900) on the weekend of July 24, 2010.[26] By September 2010, both these records were surpassed.[65][66][67][68][69]
 
rinaldo00 said:
He said he recaptured the world records for both Donkey Kong (1,062,800 points) and Donkey Kong Jr. (1,270,900) on the weekend of July 24, 2010.[26] By September 2010, both these records were surpassed.
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LOL. That was short-lived.
 
Also: I think this is the right ranking page? https://www.twingalaxies.com/record...cade/donkey-kong/points-hammer-allowed?page=3

He's not even on there, which is what I meant by he's on an archive. IIUC he should be ranked 19, in between 1,072,200 and 1,059,700. He's got a long way to go to beat the current record of 1,272,800 (which is only 100 points higher than #2, lol).

Aside: I looked to find that historical record, because at the time (2024) you could get to it from TG's press release about being forced to put it back (which regardles of anything else, them being forced to do that is BS), and the press release is gone: links from multiple sites just redirect to a login page.


As a refresher:
“The Nintendo Donkey Kong boards are old and their various electronic parts are aging at different rates. As those components near failure, the potential for visual artifacts increases. This means there is no way to compare different Donkey Kong boards as their component failures most likely are in different parts. This includes the power supplies that power the Donkey Kong boards,” Zyda wrote. As those power supplies age, we have no way of measuring how that aging will impact the Donkey Kong board’s operations and visual display. As such, there may not be any way to compare recordings from the same board done at different times. In my opinion component aging could produce the anomalies at issue.”
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This was always BS. Aging capacitors or whatever wouldn't coincidentally change the rendering pattern of the screen from how it looks like on the original hardware to the completely different way it renders in MAME, IMO.
 
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