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9950X3D $574 at Amazon

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Dan_D said:
Nice price. If I did more than play games at this point I'd snag that and replace the 9800X3D.
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Indeed, and I would see it as a slight downgrade for games due to the sightly slower clocks and relying on the scheduler to always use the X3D CCD. I know it's mostly not an issue anymore, but if it happens 2% of the time I would always be wondering if it's running properly, esp. if a game is running slower than expected.
 
T4rd said:
Indeed, and I would see it as a slight downgrade for games due to the sightly slower clocks and relying on the scheduler to always use the X3D CCD. I know it's mostly not an issue anymore, but if it happens 2% of the time I would always be wondering if it's running properly, esp. if a game is running slower than expected.
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As someone with a 9950X3D who games a lot and uses this PC for other tasks, it happens 0% of the time. As a matter of fact, with a good PBO and memory tune the clocks are higher than a 9800X3D.
 
III_Slyflyer_III said:
As someone with a 9950X3D who games a lot and uses this PC for other tasks, it happens 0% of the time. As a matter of fact, with a good PBO and memory tune the clocks are higher than a 9800X3D.
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How do you know for sure though? Realistically you'd not be able to perceive the difference between a 9800X or anything faster in a game, esp. at 1440p and above. So unless you're constantly looking at metrics in every game or when troubleshooting, you'd never know.

I just don't like the idea of it ever possibly happening and that I'm guaranteed any performance issues are not related to the CPU scheduler not working properly. And I'm sure the same could be said about using PBO on the 9800X3D, so that always comes down to the CPU lottery at that point. So generally I'd expect the 9800X3D to clock higher and/or run cooler with all other variables being equal.
 
T4rd said:
How do you know for sure though? Realistically you'd not be able to perceive the difference between a 9800X or anything faster in a game, esp. at 1440p and above. So unless you're constantly looking at metrics in every game or when troubleshooting, you'd never know.

I just don't like the idea of it ever possibly happening and that I'm guaranteed any performance issues are not related to the CPU scheduler not working properly. And I'm sure the same could be said about using PBO on the 9800X3D, so that always comes down to the CPU lottery at that point. So generally I'd expect the 9800X3D to clock higher and/or run cooler with all other variables being equal.
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Same here and I know "for sure" based on game feel. I could run benchmarks all day but having owned 7800X3D, 7950X3D, 9800X3D, 9950X, etc in the same rig - very easy to determine if it is a good fit. They really fixed all the 7950X3D issues at least from a gaming perspective for my use case. I've since moved to the 9950X3D2 and it feels just a bit better even - but that could very well be in my head.

I don't play percentages. I play games.

That said - the 9800X3D and the 9850X3D are fantastic and if you've got that - no reason to switch. I will just say this: switching is fun and easy and if you sell your old CPU it really doesn't cost that much. Cost me $372.11 to move from 9950X3D to 9950X3D2 which is dumb but for me worth it as it is fun and a hobby. The 9850X3D cost me less than $50 to jump from the 9800X3D.
 
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T4rd said:
How do you know for sure though? Realistically you'd not be able to perceive the difference between a 9800X or anything faster in a game, esp. at 1440p and above. So unless you're constantly looking at metrics in every game or when troubleshooting, you'd never know.

I just don't like the idea of it ever possibly happening and that I'm guaranteed any performance issues are not related to the CPU scheduler not working properly. And I'm sure the same could be said about using PBO on the 9800X3D, so that always comes down to the CPU lottery at that point. So generally I'd expect the 9800X3D to clock higher and/or run cooler with all other variables being equal.
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I game for fun obviously, but I also love hardware, so I test the absolute crap out of games as well when I first play them and compare online to ensure things are running properly.

You are correct in the sense that you are not going to perceive minor differences. But I can absolutely perceive if a game is running perfectly smooth with no stutter. The 9950X3D has been an absolute beast in games, and on the plus side, when shaders compile after a driver update, it is smart enough to unpark the non-X3D CCD for compile and it fly's through shaders.
 
sk3tch said:
Same here and I know "for sure" based on game feel. I could run benchmarks all day but having owned 7800X3D, 7950X3D, 9800X3D, 9950X, etc in the same rig - very easy to determine if it is a good fit. They really fixed all the 7950X3D issues at least from a gaming perspective for my use case. I've since moved to the 9950X3D2 and it feels just a bit better even - but that could very well be in my head.

I don't play percentages. I play games.

That said - the 9800X3D and the 9850X3D are fantastic and if you've got that - no reason to switch. I will just say this: switching is fun and easy and if you sell your old CPU it really doesn't cost that much. Cost me $372.11 to move from 9950X3D to 9950X3D2 which is dumb but for me worth it as it is fun and a hobby. The 9850X3D cost me less than $50 to jump from the 9800X3D.
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III_Slyflyer_III said:
I game for fun obviously, but I also love hardware, so I test the absolute crap out of games as well when I first play them and compare online to ensure things are running properly.

You are correct in the sense that you are not going to perceive minor differences. But I can absolutely perceive if a game is running perfectly smooth with no stutter. The 9950X3D has been an absolute beast in games, and on the plus side, when shaders compile after a driver update, it is smart enough to unpark the non-X3D CCD for compile and it fly's through shaders.
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Good feedback, but I still maintain the single CCD chips (besides the new X3D2 that definitely fixes it) are better gaming chips overall to ensure best consistency and performance. But I get upgrading to these for the extra dopamine hit at least if this is one of your only or few hobbies and you just want something new to play with despite the negligible performance difference for gaming at least. Esp. for how relatively cheap it is to upgrade.
 
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Good feedback, but I still maintain the single CCD chips (besides the new X3D2 that definitely fixes it) are better gaming chips overall to ensure best consistency and performance. But I get upgrading to these for the extra dopamine hit at least if this is one of your only or few hobbies and you just want something new to play with despite the negligible performance difference for gaming at least. Esp. for how relatively cheap it is to upgrade.
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The 9950X3D2 actually doesn't fix it at all as there is latency between CCDs. AM6 should be the next big jump for gaming with the rumors of 12 cores per CCD.

I have 1x 9800X3D rig, 1x 9850X3D rig, 1x 9950X rig, and then the 9950X3D2 rig (previously 9950X3D) - I would run all 9950X3D or higher if I fell into them for gaming purposes. And I very much may do so as AM6 arrives. But yeah, I'm just one guy on the Internet that plays a shit load of Fortnite.
 
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T4rd said:
Good feedback, but I still maintain the single CCD chips (besides the new X3D2 that definitely fixes it) are better gaming chips overall to ensure best consistency and performance. But I get upgrading to these for the extra dopamine hit at least if this is one of your only or few hobbies and you just want something new to play with despite the negligible performance difference for gaming at least. Esp. for how relatively cheap it is to upgrade.
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Sk3tch touched on it, ideally you still want your game on a single CCD (which the 9950X3D in Windows 11 does perfectly fine with Windows Gamebar and has worked for me out of the box without issue since I got the chip a year ago).

This is why current benchmarks show the 9950X3D2 not besting the 9950X3D or 9800X3D in gaming, it simply is not going to help expect for in very specific workloads.

I am all for this chip, but I will not be purchasing one to play with, it seems it will help some people in AI / Production workflows that are sensitive to cache size. Really looking forward to AM6 though, as that will be a nice drop-in for the platform for a lot of people if rumors are true and we get 12-core CCDs. Even then, I'd probably snag the dual CCD solution for gaming and workloads.
 
Wish I have a reason to upgrade coming from a 13900k. Gaming on 4k is still GPU bound and at most from the benchmark I see, you will only get like 3-5fps gains upgrading to a newer chip. Everytime I have that upgrade itch I just go watch some benchmarks videos to bring me back to reality. 😂
 
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dcun201 said:
Wish I have a reason to upgrade coming from a 13900k. Gaming on 4k is still GPU bound and at most from the benchmark I see, you will only get like 3-5fps gains upgrading to a newer chip. Everytime I have that upgrade itch I just go watch some benchmarks videos to bring me back to reality. 😂
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For X3D the reason to upgrade is not FPS on the screen - it's the stability when those FPS are delivered. The smoothness is unparalleled. Frametime consistency.
 
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For X3D the reason to upgrade is not FPS on the screen - it's the stability when those FPS are delivered. The smoothness is unparalleled. Frametime consistency.
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Oh I may have been looking at the wrong metrics in the benchmarks then. Are we talking about 1% lows?
 
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Oh I may have been looking at the wrong metrics in the benchmarks then. Are we talking about 1% lows?
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Similar idea.

Both combat stutter.
The 9950X3D bests its 9950X non-3D variant by 50 FPS or so, or 16% here in average framerate. The 1% lows are also significantly improved, indicating that frametime pacing is keeping up with improvements in the average framerate.
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https://gamersnexus.net/cpus/amd-ryzen-9-9950x3d-cpu-review-benchmarks-vs-9800x3d-285k-9950x-more
 
Thank you will read that article. My wallet gonna hate you if it gets me thinking to upgrade lol.
 
dcun201 said:
Oh I may have been looking at the wrong metrics in the benchmarks then. Are we talking about 1% lows?
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Your 1% and 0.1% lows and will be much higher on a 9800X3D, 9950X3D or 9950X3D2 vs that older Intel chip. And in turn, yes, your average will be higher as well. Your frame times will be very consistent too, which really makes games feel butter smooth.

It can be a hard metric to get people to see, but I would easily take better 1% and 0.1% lows over average frames any day if it came down to it, but with these chips, you do not have to choose, you get it all.
 
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