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If you've been feeling like Windows has slowly stopped working for you, you're not imagining it. The OS you grew up with has been quietly shifting its priorities, and what you're left with doesn't feel like the same deal you signed up for. Thankfully, there are better options available now—and one of them has gotten good enough that the switch makes all the sense in the world.

Windows has been getting worse, and you’ve probably noticed​

Ads, bloat, and AI you never asked for​



he irony is that Windows clings to this legacy software bloat while simultaneously dropping support for older hardware that might actually need those legacy components. It hoards the weight but cuts the machines that could justify carrying it.

And now, a new kind of bloat is taking over—Copilot.


Linux solved these problems years ago​

The OS built to serve you—not monetize you​

 
I am thinking about moving to linux mint. I am going to try and test on on a usb key and boot to that and see if i can get my speakers working... But i am still going to keep windows for games and any random shit that is just super easy and fast to do. If wemods games cheats work for linux even better but i need my wemod cheats when i game.
 
I don't run anything that requires Windows anymore. Photoshop and Lightroom were the last two things my wife uses, but she rarely uses those anymore, so I'm still aiming to be a no-Microsoft and no-Google (and no Adobe) household by the end of 2026.

Everything that made computers great in the 90s and early 2000s is gone on the big platforms right now.
 
I have 10 LTSB on my gaming PC, by the time support ends for it, Steam OS will likely be to the point I can install it on regular PC gaming hardware, or even get it preinstalled on a PC from places like Maingear, Meta PCs, or Falcon NW. Most of my PC use is web browsing and streaming services which all run just as well in a browser on Nix as they do in a browser on Windows. With gaming coming in right behind that. Windows has never been less useful than it is today.

We don't matter though. As long as Win comes preinstalled on PC's it will hold it's place in the market.
 
philb2 said:

Windows has been getting worse, and you’ve probably noticed​

Ads, bloat, and AI you never asked for​

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he irony is that Windows clings to this legacy software bloat while simultaneously dropping support for older hardware that might actually need those legacy components. It hoards the weight but cuts the machines that could justify carrying it.
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Windows benefit is it's legacy components. Lose that and you basically have a shitty version of MacOS.

Linux solved these problems years ago​

The OS built to serve you—not monetize you​

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Linux never solved this problem because Linux never had these problems. You've never seen Linux with ads and any sort of AI software included. Linux has it's own unique set of problems that it needs to solve and has been solving them. It still needs work like with graphic driver performance and getting commercial software ported over to it. Intel graphic drivers are really bad under Linux right now.
 
philb2 said:
As the OP in this thread, it is precisely the "app gap" for my daily driver software that keeps me stuck on Windows.
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Have you tried using any of your Windows apps on Linux with Wine or Proton?

I have a second PC (admittedly, a (fairly powerful) mini PC) specifically to run Linux.
 
MikeTrike said:
I don't run anything that requires Windows anymore. Photoshop and Lightroom were the last two things my wife uses,
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My wife doesn't use either, but I am a heavy Lightroom user. A Linux port of Lightroom is a common ask on the official Adobe website, but Adobe seems uninterested.
MikeTrike said:
but she rarely uses those anymore, so I'm still aiming to be a no-Microsoft and no-Google (and no Adobe) household by the end of 2026.
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A worthy goal, if you can do it.
MikeTrike said:
Everything that made computers great in the 90s and early 2000s is gone on the big platforms right now.
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Everything?
 
From the perspective of a Linux novice just trying to come away from Windows I think that, now Linux is "Easy" right up until it isn't. Some random bug or configuration error and then you are off to the races googling and seeing threads for a "similar~" sounding problem from 5 yrs ago.. which the solution(s) at the time were pasting in terminal commands that as a new Linux user you neither understand nor are sure what the ramifications of running are... and or even better suggesting editing config files you can't find on your system because the info was either wrong to begin with or is out of date...

I mean I am now ~ok at Linux but I have messed with it on and off for years ... but I just had weird dumb problems putting Linux Mint on my Thinkcentre Tiny M75Q-1 ... unless the screensavers are disabled (they are on by default) the resolution of one of my two monitors would get stuck at 1080P 30Hz (it is a 2K monitor @144Hz) .... disabling the screensaver did resolve the issue, (luckily found some forum post about this issue quickly) however when I then tried to install Virtual Box the problem came back..

I uninstalled VirtualBox and the issue went away again... however I would very much like VB on this machine and for my f*cking monitors to work at 2560x1440 @ 144Hz but as I also have other things to worry about I haven't had time to try to figure out how to make that happen...
 
atarione said:
From the perspective of a Linux novice just trying to come away from Windows I think that, now Linux is "Easy" right up until it isn't. Some random bug or configuration error and then you are off to the races googling and seeing threads for a "similar~" sounding problem from 5 yrs ago.. which the solution(s) at the time were pasting in terminal commands that as a new Linux user you neither understand nor are sure what the ramifications of running are... and or even better suggesting editing config files you can't find on your system because the info was either wrong to begin with or is out of date...
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That has long been one of Linux's big issues. Because it isn't a standardized thing, I mean "Linux" is actually just a kernel and everything else is addons, there's a lot of variance in levels of maturity, documentation, etc, etc. You have the source so in theory you CAN do anything... but if you aren't a programmer that isn't useful and you can discover that the solution to an issue is often fairly difficult.

It's something that annoys me with these "year of the Linux!" type articles that get posted from time to time. They always overblow the issues Windows has, and it certainly does have issues, and either downplay or usually just flat out ignore the issues Linux has. It's a tradeoff and for some people, the Linux tradeoff is a good one. If you are one of those people, by all means use it. However don't pretend like it is problem free, suitable for everyone, or easy all the time. I can tell tons of stories both at the enterprise level and personal level of times where Linux was being a POS and Windows "just worked".

Also some problems aren't solvable, because it is trading one problem for another, you have to choose how you want things and deal with the downsides. An example is a locked down ecosystem like the iPhone. When one vendor makes the hardware, and the OS, and you can only install programs from an approved store, that really cuts down on compatibility issues and the ability for malware to get into a system. However, it by necessity means you give up freedom and choice. If you want something where you can run on hardware from any vendor, and where software can be downloaded from any website, you have to give that up. It will be open to those websites serving up software that is bad, and you will be open to more compatibility issues. There's no way to have both but neither is wrong.
 
philb2 said:
My wife doesn't use either, but I am a heavy Lightroom user. A Linux port of Lightroom is a common ask on the official Adobe website, but Adobe seems uninterested.
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If she really needs it I might just Proton it...

philb2 said:
A worthy goal, if you can do it.
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We're probably about a third or so done overall, most of the hardware anyway, that's where I started focus on the hardware and Microsoft side because that's fairly easy. We got email photos in G drive to migrate still but that's not terribly difficult. Xboxes have been replaced with sTeAm MaChInEs already. IDGAF about my Xbox library at this point, most of the games that I like, I've added a steam already, and my steam library already had quite a bit. I do need squirrel with a gun though... Never mind that thought, I just checked and it was $5.99 on Steam so I bought it... Microsoft can really go suck it super hard. We technically still have Minecraft accounts that are Microsoft, I think realistically we can get to high 90s% in terms of what we're able to cut out.

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philb2 said:
Everything?
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More IMO. Everything I enjoyed. Faster, more advanced, and visually impressive is nice but that doesn't mean better. But hey we've got AI in our spreadsheets everything now...
 
atarione said:
From the perspective of a Linux novice just trying to come away from Windows I think that, now Linux is "Easy" right up until it isn't. Some random bug or configuration error and then you are off to the races googling and seeing threads for a "similar~" sounding problem from 5 yrs ago.. which the solution(s) at the time were pasting in terminal commands that as a new Linux user you neither understand nor are sure what the ramifications of running are... and or even better suggesting editing config files you can't find on your system because the info was either wrong to begin with or is out of date...

I mean I am now ~ok at Linux but I have messed with it on and off for years ... but I just had weird dumb problems putting Linux Mint on my Thinkcentre Tiny M75Q-1 ... unless the screensavers are disabled (they are on by default) the resolution of one of my two monitors would get stuck at 1080P 30Hz (it is a 2K monitor @144Hz) .... disabling the screensaver did resolve the issue, (luckily found some forum post about this issue quickly) however when I then tried to install Virtual Box the problem came back..

I uninstalled VirtualBox and the issue went away again... however I would very much like VB on this machine and for my f*cking monitors to work at 2560x1440 @ 144Hz but as I also have other things to worry about I haven't had time to try to figure out how to make that happen...
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Thinking back to my early years on Windows, I recall doing similar things for things that I didn't yet understand. It's just all so familiar at this point.
 
I didn't even bother checking compatibility and it just works on my sTeAm MaChInE. It's so easy for Windows to be dead for me at this point. Linux as a general desktop was easy enough to use 10+ years ago. This just makes it not even a second thought.

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Windows is the best everyday operating system.

Windows Explorer alone makes it superior to other OS’s. Finder on MacOS doesn’t even have cut/paste & copy/paste barely works. Files on standard install of Ubuntu is borderline useless for anything outside of the user documents without having to make cryptic config changes.
 
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Sycraft said:
That has long been one of Linux's big issues. Because it isn't a standardized thing, I mean "Linux" is actually just a kernel and everything else is addons, there's a lot of variance in levels of maturity, documentation, etc, etc. You have the source so in theory you CAN do anything... but if you aren't a programmer that isn't useful and you can discover that the solution to an issue is often fairly difficult.
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The addons are also kinda the default. There's a reason why so many people are upset with SystemD putting in a blank entry for age verification because most distros use SystemD. Most Linux distros use the same components, but it's the version of those components and how they're setup is what sets them apart.
It's something that annoys me with these "year of the Linux!" type articles that get posted from time to time. They always overblow the issues Windows has, and it certainly does have issues, and either downplay or usually just flat out ignore the issues Linux has. It's a tradeoff and for some people, the Linux tradeoff is a good one. If you are one of those people, by all means use it. However don't pretend like it is problem free, suitable for everyone, or easy all the time. I can tell tons of stories both at the enterprise level and personal level of times where Linux was being a POS and Windows "just worked".
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I wouldn't call Windows issues overblown. How many times recently has Microsoft broken peoples computer with an update?
An example is a locked down ecosystem like the iPhone. When one vendor makes the hardware, and the OS, and you can only install programs from an approved store, that really cuts down on compatibility issues and the ability for malware to get into a system.
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It also makes it easy for malware to go on undetected like Pegasus. Of the 37 infected phones that were found infected, about 34 were iPhone and 23 confirmed infected. The 3 Android phones were not confirmed infected. If you consider the other recent events with iPhone users losing their data, you may want to rethink that your iPhone is secure because you traded freedom for a locked ecosystem. What iOS does is prevent you from knowing if you have an infection in your device.
There's no way to have both but neither is wrong.
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Not true. If that were true then Linux wouldn't be the most popular OS used in the world... for servers.
 
Linux solves a lot, but it's not Windows. The people in this forum could easily use Linux with no problems.

Could your CEO? CFO? Grandpa? Dad (ok, yea, he did...)?

Windows and it's ecosystem is just huge. Active Directory, so many ERP's, CRM's, Office Suite, etc. run on Windows. Yea, there's typically a Linux alternative, but there's also that Linux support.... forums, Reddit, etc.. John from Accounting, the CEO, etc. aren't going to learn a new operating system, either. They barely know how to use Windows and only to do what they know. Outside of that? Nope.

I love Linux. I've got it on a couple laptops (Kali and Debian, used for different things) as well as 95% of my servers (keep a AD server there just for fun). I typically go Linux over Windows for hosting anything because it works and it's nice and lean and privacy focused. But, it's not Windows.

It's like using a Crescent wrench as a hammer. "It solved all the issues!". But, it's not a hammer. It can work as one, but it's just not going to do the things you want it to do. An OS is a tool. Windows is just getting to be a pain in the ass, busted, cheap Harbor Freight knockoff crap that is low in quality. They really need to step up their game and get back to fixing that shit.
 
Like some of you, a good modern photo editing program that is feature rich and intuitive has been a pain point.

However, davinci resolve 21 (currently beta) just added a photo editing function. So Im glad I won't have to try random programs I never heard of just to find they lack polish. Resolve is already my video editor of choice, soon it can be my photo editor. Going to install ubuntu 26.04 ltsc when it comes out this month.
 
westrock2000 said:
Windows is the best everyday operating system.

Windows Explorer alone makes it superior to other OS’s. Finder on MacOS doesn’t even have cut/paste & copy/paste barely works. Files on standard install of Ubuntu is borderline useless for anything outside of the user documents with having to make cryptic config changes.
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Personally I think Dolphin is far superior to Windows Explorer.

atarione said:
From the perspective of a Linux novice just trying to come away from Windows I think that, now Linux is "Easy" right up until it isn't. Some random bug or configuration error and then you are off to the races googling and seeing threads for a "similar~" sounding problem from 5 yrs ago..
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And if you go far enough back as a Windows user, there was also a time when Windows wasn't at all familiar. But people grew with it, adapted to it's many shortcomings, use a number of CMD/powershell based commands as fixes, as well as registry fixes - and now they're comfortable with it. In terms of support and fixes, KDE Discuss and the CachyOS forums alone dump all over the official MS forums run by volunteers.

People don't suddenly loose the ability to learn new things.

mnewxcv said:
However, davinci resolve 21 (currently beta) just added a photo editing function. So Im glad I won't have to try random programs I never heard of just to find they lack polish.
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Also remember, the Affinity suite also runs like native under Linux now using the AffinityOnLinux installer, and best of all the Affinity Suite is free considering Affinity Unified.

https://github.com/ryzendew/Linux-Affinity-Installer
 
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The addons are also kinda the default. There's a reason why so many people are upset with SystemD putting in a blank entry for age verification because most distros use SystemD. Most Linux distros use the same components, but it's the version of those components and how they're setup is what sets them apart.
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Yes and no. Some are more standard than others, but there's a lot of variance. It's also evident that there's a lot of variance just in how often you'll see someone say "Oh you use distro X? Well that won't work well for what you are doing, you should use distro Y for that instead!" If these things were truly standard, that wouldn't be an issue.

DukenukemX said:
I wouldn't call Windows issues overblown. How many times recently has Microsoft broken peoples computer with an update?
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I can count them on one hand in the last 10 years at work. It isn't zero, but it isn't much. We aren't delaying updates either, our systems are on current channel. I see far more problems with people who have disabled updates and get way out of date and then can't get them all to apply then I do with people who just update when they come out. Also, it isn't like we've never had a Linux update break a system. Again, rare, but it happens.

Likewise the Copilot thing is totally overblown. Yes, copilot sucks. Know what I've done about it? Nothing, I just don't use it. You can just not use it and it doesn't cause any issues. Lots of shit has stupid "AI integration" these days and in most of it you can just not use it. My text editor (Emeditor) has some AI integration if you want it. I don't know what it uses because I've simply never used that feature.

DukenukemX said:
Not true. If that were true then Linux wouldn't be the most popular OS used in the world... for servers.
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That's a rather silly statement. "This is the most popular thing, when we restrict it to this subset of things that makes it the most popular thing!" That aside, the needs of servers, desktops, mobile devices, embedded devices, all are different.


If you think Linux is the best thing ever then great, by all means use it. Not everyone is going to agree though.

Ur_Mom said:
Windows and it's ecosystem is just huge. Active Directory, so many ERP's, CRM's, Office Suite, etc. run on Windows. Yea, there's typically a Linux alternative, but there's also that Linux support.... forums, Reddit, etc.. John from Accounting, the CEO, etc. aren't going to learn a new operating system, either. They barely know how to use Windows and only to do what they know. Outside of that? Nope.
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Also some shit can just be flat out more difficult in Linux and some people really don't want to deal with that. Two recent examples I can think of from my life:

1) Printing. For whatever reason, the Brother printer we have is a pill with Linux. It works, you can send it shit and for text only it is fine. But ask it to print a PDF and it gets all low rez and pixelated. My GF is the one who uses Linux and she's literally a Linux dev professionally, not an amateur. However after fucking around with drivers for about an hour she got sick of it and just asked me to print things out because on Windows, it just works out of the box. Didn't even have to do any driver install, it was all automatic (uses IPP). Not a big issue here and later she finally got it fixed when she had more time but man is a normal user not going to be happy.

2) NFS and Kerberos at work. Our Linux guy flat out can't seem to get it to work and just has stopped trying. I've done enough research to determine that it is, in fact, something that you can do but is apparently not trivial. So security on NFS shares is still being done via IP and UID/GID, which is not the most secure. This seems to be a fairly common solution, because of the issues making it work. In Windows? Shit I don't have to do anything. If a system is in a domain, it will use Kerberos auth for SMB by default, only falling back to something else if that doesn't work (and if group policy allows fallback). It is zero effort and transparent.

The point here isn't to try and say "lololo Windows bettar" or anything, just pointing out examples of cases where Linux can legit be more difficult for users, even experienced ones.

Mazzspeed said:
People don't suddenly loose the ability to learn new things.
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They do gradually though. Learning legit becomes more difficult for people as the age. One of the many shitty things about getting old :(

Also not everything is equally easy to learn. An issue Linux has had, that is getting better but still exists, is the reliance on the command line to do things. If you give a newbie a GUI and a CLI they may be able to figure out what they want to do in the GUI by looking at what options it offers and thinking it through. In a CLI they are usually pretty fucked without docs or training because how do you even know where to start? Goes double when it is something like you get in Linux with Bash where you don't have any sort of "here's a list of possible commands" like you get in OnTap or something.

Interface ease of use and discoverability isn't arbitrary, there are designs that make things easier, or harder, and there's research backing it up.
 
Sycraft said:
Also not everything is equally easy to learn. An issue Linux has had, that is getting better but still exists, is the reliance on the command line to do things. If you give a newbie a GUI and a CLI they may be able to figure out what they want to do in the GUI by looking at what options it offers and thinking it through. In a CLI they are usually pretty fucked without docs or training because how do you even know where to start? Goes double when it is something like you get in Linux with Bash where you don't have any sort of "here's a list of possible commands" like you get in OnTap or something.
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From:

sfc /scannow,

To:

DISM / Online / Cleanup Image / CheckHealth,

And:

DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /ScanHealth,

And:

DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth /Source:repairSource\install.wim,

Including all the DISM variants in between, there's plenty of fixes under Windows that solely require the use of CMD or Powershell - I know, I use them daily. As stated, that's not even including the Regedit fixes out there.

Linux is different, Linux is not difficult.

Sycraft said:
Yes and no. Some are more standard than others, but there's a lot of variance. It's also evident that there's a lot of variance just in how often you'll see someone say "Oh you use distro X?
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And in most cases users recommending another distro to resolve problems really don't know what they're talking about (although Linux Mint is garbage). I run two systems here, both running differing distro's, both running the same version of Plasma and set up identically - What runs on system 'A' runs equally as well on system 'B'. The only difference is the package manager used, and with GUI based solutions available now, even the use of a package manager isn't as daunting as many assumed it once was.
 
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Linux is different, Linux is not difficult.
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I have to disagree, though I'll acknowledge that given my extensive experience with Windows professionally means it isn't an equal situation. However, not all interfaces, all ways of doing things, are equally easy. It can be different and be harder. A very interesting example I saw around this was my mother with Adobe Photoshop. Mom was an art and English teacher professionally and does painting as a hobby. She's smart and knows a lot about learning, and how people learn, what with being a teacher for decades, but isn't a computer person, didn't grow up with them, etc. She's of course learned how to use them. What was interesting was when I got her Photoshop how quick she took to it, how easily she could do what she wanted. She explained to me the things in the interface that made it intuitive, and how physical art ideas were mapped into the virtual space. Likewise she found their learning materials to be top notch and again could point out all the things they did correctly (like very carefully covering every single step, never skipping anything or assuming knowledge).

It was a very interesting real-life demonstration that yes, there ARE "correct" ways of doing things in UI design and when you do it, it makes it easier for people. Apple spent a lot of time on that in the early days, pioneering research on it (then promptly seemed to forget most of it with OS-X).

Mazzspeed said:
And in most cases users recommending another distro to resolve problems really don't know what they're talking about (although Linux Mint is garbage). I run two systems here, both running differing distro's, both running the same version of Plasma and set up identically - What runs on system 'A' runs equally as well on system 'B'. The only difference is the package manager used, and with GUI based solutions available now, even the use of a package manager isn't as daunting as many assumed it once was.
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Not disagreeing that it may be people who don't know what they are talking about... but man is that advice COMMON and it isn't a good sign for ease of use. Also just as a note of kind of what I'm talking about with lack of standards: You talking about Plasma. The fact that there's so many window managers, each which is a bit different, is something that makes things more confusing to non-technical users. Like I don't think I've ever used a distro that used Plasma as the window manager. Looks like a decent WM, but nothing I've ever installed used it, so if you were trying to give me directions on how to do something, it would get confusing since that's not what I'd be seeing. Not an issue for technical people, but the kind of thing that could confuse a normal user.
 
Sycraft said:
I have to disagree, though I'll acknowledge that given my extensive experience with Windows professionally means it isn't an equal situation. However, not all interfaces, all ways of doing things, are equally easy. It can be different and be harder. A very interesting example I saw around this was my mother with Adobe Photoshop.
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In terms of UI, KDE Plasma really isn't that different to Windows, with the main difference being that KDE Plasma is infinitely more customizable to the individual needs of the user.

The 'use of terminal for everything' argument is somewhat outdated regarding modern Linux when even certain Arch based distro's have a GUI for everything. People have to move on from 10 years ago, especially when the use of CMD and Powershell is still widely used and in some cases preferred under Windows.

Sycraft said:
You talking about Plasma. The fact that there's so many window managers, each which is a bit different, is something that makes things more confusing to non-technical users. Like I don't think I've ever used a distro that used Plasma as the window manager. Looks like a decent WM, but nothing I've ever installed used it, so if you were trying to give me directions on how to do something, it would get confusing since that's not what I'd be seeing. Not an issue for technical people, but the kind of thing that could confuse a normal user.
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And yet Linux usage according to the latest Steam survey is growing in proportion to the amount Windows usage is dropping, last month alone Linux usage jumped considerably. One of the very issues Windows users have with their OS of choice is the locked down UI, singing the praises of MS for the simple ability to move the task bar under Windows 11 - arguing that more choice in relation to DE is a bad thing seems like a bit of a misnomer.
 
littlegreenmenfromhome said:
I am not giving up 5-50% of gaming performance, so Linux is not an option for me (AMD has nothing in my performance bracket):

View: https://youtu.be/RmP_Q_Mfosk?si=EI1qfr4BNOcaApio
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Oh well, best you stick to Windows then.

Sycraft said:
1) Printing. For whatever reason, the Brother printer we have is a pill with Linux. It works, you can send it shit and for text only it is fine. But ask it to print a PDF and it gets all low rez and pixelated.
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This is actually really odd, as Brother printers are fully supported under Linux by both Brother themselves as well as Linux devs - I've run three Brother printers on my Linux machines here over the years and they've never missed a beat in relation to printing or scanning, I've actually encountered less issues with printers under Linux than printers under Windows. How old is this particular Brother printer and what distro are you running?
 
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Mazzspeed said:
Oh well, best you stick to Windows then.



This is actually really odd, as Brother printers are fully supported under Linux by both Brother themselves as well as Linux devs - I've run three Brother printers on my Linux machines here over the years and they've never missed a beat in relation to printing or scanning, I've actually encountered less issues with printers under Linux than printers under Windows. How old is this particular Brother printer and what distro are you running?
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I will for gaming would be retarded to leave 50% performance on the table it turns my 4090 into a 4070 a downgrade not worth it.
 
I love this topic.
  • MacOS - Super Optimized, completely locked environment.
  • Windows - Somewhat Optimized, lots of ads and bloat.
  • Linux - Hit or miss performance, huge learning curve, completely free!!!
Pick your flavor of "This sucks!!!" None of them are great.
 
Mazzspeed said:
This is actually really odd, as Brother printers are fully supported under Linux by both Brother themselves as well as Linux devs - I've run three Brother printers on my Linux machines here over the years and they've never missed a beat in relation to printing or scanning, I've actually encountered less issues with printers under Linux than printers under Windows. How old is this particular Brother printer and what distro are you running?
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Printer is somewhat old but not super old, I'm not running anything it's my GF and she runs Ubutnu. She has since fixed the issue but it required more fuckery that it should have. She's the Linux dev, I'm the Windows admin.
 
Sycraft said:
Printer is somewhat old but not super old, I'm not running anything it's my GF and she runs Ubutnu. She has since fixed the issue but it required more fuckery that it should have. She's the Linux dev, I'm the Windows admin.
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The drivers are avaliable under Brother's website. Go to Linux .deb, download the driver install tool and follow the linked instructions - It couldn't be easier. Having said that, the drivers should be packaged as part of the kernel, I haven't actually manually installed Brother printer drivers in years.

https://www.brother.com.au/en/support/hl-l2395dw/downloads

madpistol said:
I love this topic.
  • MacOS - Super Optimized, completely locked environment.
  • Windows - Somewhat Optimized, lots of ads and bloat.
  • Linux - Hit or miss performance, huge learning curve, completely free!!!
Pick your flavor of "This sucks!!!" None of them are great.
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Each too their own. Personally I'm pretty happy with my choice of OS, I definitely don't sit here wishing I was running something else, and many updates bring something exciting and new as opposed to problems.
 
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littlegreenmenfromhome said:
Facts are fact.
+75% of PC users will exerience performance loss if gaming under Linux and that fact seems to upset you 🤷‍♂️
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It doesn't upset me at all, in fact you seem to be the one that has the issue. This is a you problem, it's certainly not a me problem.

I run Nvidia hardware on two systems here running differing distro's with the same DE, and I certainly don't see a performance loss under Linux regarding the games I enjoy to the degree that's strangely only shown in a still image regarding the Nvidia aspect present in that video. Granted I only skipped through the video, but there's no capture of actual gameplay under Nvidia that I can see, there's only capture of actual gameplay regarding AMD.
 
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Mazzspeed said:
It doesn't upset me at all, in fact you seem to be the one that has the issue. This is a you problem, it's certainly not a me problem.
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I am not adressing your preference for performance, just stating facts:
+75% of PC users will experience a 5-50% performance degradation if gaming under Linux, any user needs to beware for that and not have facts swept under the rug when contemplation an OS migration.

In my daily work I use Ubuntu, Xen, ESXi, XCP-ng, Nutanix etc. so it is not because I never touch Linux I use it in some sort of form daily, but I would NEVER recommend it for gaming for the majority of users because of the performance degradation
That facts seems to upset you as you keep responding and not adressing the facts but just being angry at me for stating facts.
 
littlegreenmenfromhome said:
I am not adressing your preference for performance, just stating facts:
+75% of PC users will experience a 5-50% performance degradation if gaming under Linux, any user needs to beware for that and not have facts swept under the rug when contemplation an OS migration.

In my daily work I use Ubuntu, Xen, ESXi, XCP-ng, Nutanix etc. so it is not because I never touch Linux I use it in some sort of form daily
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Sure you do [not].

People can make up their own minds, nothing you or I say will change that - and I'm OK with that.
 
littlegreenmenfromhome said:
I will for gaming would be retarded to leave 50% performance on the table it turns my 4090 into a 4070 a downgrade not worth it.
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The only thing that's retarded is you making the blanket posts saying 75% of people are going to have worse performance under linux. You link a video of one game that one person has issues with. Mind you at the time this video was recorded that game wouldn't even run on Intel cards, even under Windows. Maybe that game is just trash? Regardless I have no interest in playing it so I couldn't care less how it performs under linux.

Out of the dozen games I have played, they all run fine. Have I had to tweak launch options for some? Yes. Do I care that I had to do that? No.

Everything is going to depend on what games you play an what your tolerance is. If you care so much about maybe missing 10 FPS and running at 110 instead of 120 FPS then maybe stick with Windows. Of course there are games that do run better so again it completely depends on what you are playing.
 
In my use case, the issues with Windows are mostly minor annoyances. In 99.9% of cases, things still straight up work the way I want. If there's a game/driver with performance issues, the Windows release is priority 1. No jumping through hoops for things like different game launchers or Gamepass, they just work. Ditto with Adobe CC. I don't like Copilot...so I just don't use it. Is it spying on me? Sure. What isn't these days. Make no mistake, Windows is getting worse, but it's still the best option for my use case.
 
https://linuxmint.com/
https://cachyos.org/

A few things people have mentioned.
Adobe. Ya we know. Its been annoying that they have never supported Linux. It has been annoying in professional circles as well. Believe it or not Linux is actually very popular in high end VFX work. Houdini has supported Linux as a first class citizen for years now. Many studios use Linux workstations essentially as Houdini boxes. Having Adobe constantly ignore Linux is frustrating. HOWEVER Adobe sucks as a company and I don't think anyone really wants to stay with them forever. So here are some solutions if your a minor Adobe user. If you are not a heavy user those sub costs really suck. (IF YOUR a heavy adobe user, I mean your on Mac unless your insane anyway right??)

https://www.darktable.org/ - I won't say its perfectly on par with light room. But its constantly evolving and getting better.

https://rawtherapee.com/ - Same as dark table. Both options have their advantages and disadvantages. (BOTH ARE FREE and don't require a sub)

https://github.com/Diolinux/PhotoGIMP - Photogimp is a config setting for GIMP. Look Gimp isn't photoshop, its decent its getting better They just moved to V 3.0 and it is a major jump from 2. If your really used to photoshop shortcuts and tool placements photogimp is cool.

Affinity photo - its another option. Not sure if Canva will ever make the deal even worse? Who knows. There is a appimage if you want to install and use a professional option.

https://krita.org/en/ - if your doing more digital painting then editing. Kritia is fantastic. IMO its far better then photoshop for this use. Some folks will use it for photoediting as well, but that isn't its main function.

https://github.com/inkscape/inkscape - Inkscape is a great vector tool. (Krita also has vector tools and the ability to add/use vector layers)

https://opentoonz.github.io/e/ - Opentoonz. If you are an adobe animate user. I mean what are you waiting for. Why not switch to open toonz. You can even use the Studio Ghibli defaults. Opentoonz is much more powerful.

https://heroicgameslauncher.com/ - Heroic game launcher. if you use cachyos its installed with the game-meta package. Heroic is a game launcher that can log in and download from the Epic game store as well as GOG, and Amazon. GOG is working on a their own Linux launcher, not sure they need to bother really Heroic works very well. Between Steam and Heroic the only real game store you can't install directly from is Microsofts.

As for performance issues. I know a few people like to go on about 50% performance losses. That is of course insane. If your a NV user you can expect to loose 5-20%. Won't sugar coat it. Nvidia GPUs use a very bad descriptor setup that makes them worse with translation layers. Nvidia has very very recently added some Vulkan extensions to improve the situation. Their descriptor heap setup should be better here soon. Though its still unknown if they will operate as well as AMDs cards do. AMD years ago (vega) decided to make their descriptors 100% programmable. Valve realized they could use this to change descriptor headers as they stream into Vram. It means AMD gets DX->Vulkan translation for free. Hence AMD cards generally run = to windows. Some games will be a bit faster some will be a bit slower, but the average is pretty close to =. It is very possibly Nvidias performance will reach the same = soonish. We shall see, Cachy has implemented a early version of the new extensions... but support from Nvidia themselves is still a bit shaky. We expect in the next few drivers for NV to properly support the new features.

Why give up 5-20% if your a NV user? Because you don't have to run Microsoft software is the main reason. If your cool with all the things windows is. By all means keep your 175fps instead of 150fps, or whatever the case is. Outside that there are actual benefits beyond average frame rate. We do have examples in Linux gaming with Nvidia where you do loose average FPS, though you gain lows. On the CPU if you have a X3D chip or a Multi CCD AMD chip... you won't have to disable half your CPU cause your Operating systems scheduler is dumb. Linux schedulers either the default EEVDF. Or the user space options like Valves LAVD scheduler are CCD, thread, core, cache aware. They don't need you to run Ryzan master, they don't need Intel to build a hardware thread director.... they know which cores to saturate first. You don't have to disable hyper threading, a full CCD or any other silly thing. You will generally get more CPU performance base, and not have issues with newer CPUs.
Another reason on CPU. THIS only will apply if you are going to run something like CachyOS. Modern CPU compiled software. CachyOS maintains 3 different package repositories. One that compiles all the core bits including the kernel for Zen4/5 using (abm, adx, aes, avx512bf16, avx512bitalg, avx512ifma, avx512vbmi, avx512vbmi2, avx512vnni, avx512vpopctndq, clflushopt, clwb, clzero, fsgsbase, gfni, mwaitx, pclmul, pku, prfchw, rpdid, rdrnd, rdseed, sha, sse4a, vaes, vockmulqdq, wbnoinvd, savec, xsaveopt, xsaves) another for X86-V4 (AVX-512), another for x86-V3 (V3 can result in 5-20% better performance vs universally compiled packages which is what most distros use)

Anyway jump in if you haven't its a great time, an exciting time to be using Linux. No its not perfect. Its a work in progress and always will be. Dual booting is an option. [though if you do want to try Linux. Know you can't run your games off a NTFS drive... I mean technically you can make it work but its going to run like Ass] Which reminds me I didn't even mention file systems. Another reason to give up a bit of gaming performance is the advantage of being able to use a proper file system. We have multiple file system options for different use cases. XFS is blazing fast. BTRFS supports snapshots, and compression making it great for boot drives and cold storage spinning HDD. You can even mix and match File systems with zero issues.

This is insanely long. But one last thing. Personalized Desktop experience. Ok Grandma doesn't care about this... Mint. We are on [H] though. If you want to rice your setup. Linux is uniquely customizable and configurable.
Oh and for the person that mentioned windows file explorer being wonderful. Cool. But we have much more customizable options.
https://github.com/vicinaehq/vicinae - I mean why not get ride of that silly start bar idea and run a launcher/file search whatever else you want tool instead.
Just to mention as well if you like a specific desktop Gnome or KDE whatever. You don't HAVE to use their file managers. If you prefer the simplicity of XFCEs thunar you can just you know install it.
 
I'm not a Linux gamer (at least not yet) but didn't they recently solve a lot of performance issues with NTSync? Looked promising
 
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