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A New Bill proposes Federal Age Verification on any Operating Systems in entire U.S

MrGuvernment

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We knew it was going to come (See https://hardforum.com/threads/a-new...of-age-verification-at-account-setup.2046700/) ...first at a state level and now this is trying...

Will it get shot down, or will lobbyist get their way..

All Information (Except Text) for H.R.8250 - To require operating system providers to verify the age of any user of an operating system, and for other purposes.​

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/8250/all-info
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/119/hr8250

Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1slm3h1/a_new_bill_proposes_federal_age_verification_on/

So curious, how will this work for:
  • Kiosk machines
  • Server OS's
  • Terminals
  • Enterprises
Every employee going to have to provide ID to log into their work provided device...
 
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This person says it well, and we all know it

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1slm3h1/comment/og8wyhi/

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Let's not rush to assume this will go far. It's not political commentary to note that this is a Democrat-sponsored bill in a Republican-controlled House, and it's starting in a committee. Unless there's enough bipartisan support, it could fizzle out before it even gets to a House vote, let alone a successful matching Senate bill.

I will say I'm not fans of these measures; baking in age verification at the OS level screams "likely privacy violation" and makes it impossible to use an OS completely offline from the start.
 
Aurelius said:
Let's not rush to assume this will go far. It's not political commentary to note that this is a Democrat-sponsored bill in a Republican-controlled House, and it's starting in a committee. Unless there's enough bipartisan support, it could fizzle out before it even gets to a House vote, let alone a successful matching Senate bill.

I will say I'm not fans of these measures; baking in age verification at the OS level screams "likely privacy violation" and makes it impossible to use an OS completely offline from the start.
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The fact that they are starting is concerning enough. It might not pass this year or the next but once the democrats take back control in the next few years it will it will be push through 100%. This will also ve the start of even worse infringement policies.
 
Aurelius said:
Let's not rush to assume this will go far. It's not political commentary to note that this is a Democrat-sponsored bill in a Republican-controlled House, and it's starting in a committee. Unless there's enough bipartisan support, it could fizzle out before it even gets to a House vote, let alone a successful matching Senate bill.

I will say I'm not fans of these measures; baking in age verification at the OS level screams "likely privacy violation" and makes it impossible to use an OS completely offline from the start.
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This is just going above what states are doing already and what several have implemented into law already, so the chances of it going through are likely higher than not at this point.
 
vegeta535 said:
The fact that they are starting is concerning enough. It might not pass this year or the next but once the democrats take back control in the next few years it will it will be push through 100%. This will also ve the start of even worse infringement policies.
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Democrat or Republican has nothing to do with it- both sides are pushing age verification. Republican states and conservative countries (looking at you UK) the first with aggressive age verification laws.
 
It was getting pushed in multiple states, and involves interstate commerce, so it was a matter of time before it was introduced at the federal level. That said, it should not pass, imo. It's way too broad, and forces way too many people and companies to do things for the government which jeopardises their freedom.

However, that hasn't stopped other similar laws passing. I guess we'll see.
 
Aurelius said:
Let's not rush to assume this will go far. It's not political commentary to note that this is a Democrat-sponsored bill in a Republican-controlled House, and it's starting in a committee. Unless there's enough bipartisan support, it could fizzle out before it even gets to a House vote, let alone a successful matching Senate bill.

I will say I'm not fans of these measures; baking in age verification at the OS level screams "likely privacy violation" and makes it impossible to use an OS completely offline from the start.
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What I've learned recently is that it doesn't matter if you're Democrat of Republican. What matters is how much AIPAC money you receive.
 
100% it doesn't matter if it is democrats or republicans it is going to be pushed through eventually. We at least have some republicans that are for the people. Won't be enough in the end.
 
MrGuvernment said:
We knew it was going to come (See https://hardforum.com/threads/a-new...of-age-verification-at-account-setup.2046700/) ...first at a state level and now this is trying...

Will it get shot down, or will lobbyist get their way..

All Information (Except Text) for H.R.8250 - To require operating system providers to verify the age of any user of an operating system, and for other purposes.​

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/8250/all-info
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/119/hr8250

Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1slm3h1/a_new_bill_proposes_federal_age_verification_on/

So curious, how will this work for:
  • Kiosk machines
  • Server OS's
  • Terminals
  • Enterprises
Every employee going to have to provide ID to log into their work provided device...
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So, from what I've seen... The idea is less about having the OS function and more about having the OS able to signal the user's verification to content providers, so a vending machine that doesn't sell dildos shouldn't ever need to send a signal and would never be able to access the sites affected anyway. At least that's in some cases, the implementation is so fucking vague that I don't trust so much as a word of any of it. An OS tag is probably (theoretically) the best way way to do a dumb, deeply anti-consumer thing.

vegeta535 said:
The fact that they are starting is concerning enough. It might not pass this year or the next but once the democrats take back control in the next few years it will it will be push through 100%. This will also ve the start of even worse infringement policies.
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If you live in the USA in a red state you are either already under a far worse version of this garbage or are about to be. Let us not forget that the right are all about censorship, totally unlike the left. Who are all about censorship.. but for different reasons... It was the GOP that strong-armed VISA and MasterCard into a vast, global conspiracy of censorship because the previous Democrat efforts to do so had been struck down by the American supreme court so the GOP cheated and made it a "backroom" deal by threatening licensing instead. More importantly, the American supreme court will never stand up to the GOP now, they don't want to be beaten to death with a hammer in their living room or shot by the cultists for upsetting which ever president or candidate is currently embodying the almighty.

I honestly don't think that the corporations lobbying for this will ever be satisfied with an OS tag system, what they want is consumer data they can monetize.
I don't think the "public interest" groups lobbying for this, be they religious groups, feminists, or genuine pedo-hunters, would be happy with this because they want actionable data to punish people for breaking the law (or for wrongthink).

I dread a day when everyone is behind some kind of Great Firewall. I mean, the upside is that the Chinese people are pretty good at bypassing their Great Firewall, but you have to want to do it, and a generation or two just won't know what it was like when the internet was free and interesting. Hell, we're already getting there with Google in almost complete control of what sites people can even find.
 
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Aurelius said:
Let's not rush to assume this will go far. It's not political commentary to note that this is a Democrat-sponsored bill in a Republican-controlled House, and it's starting in a committee. Unless there's enough bipartisan support, it could fizzle out before it even gets to a House vote, let alone a successful matching Senate bill.
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1. What a charming notion that Democrat or Republican is any meaningful distinction when it comes to corporate money or government surveilance.

2. Midterms say hi.
 
Well, there it is right there. The end of human freedom in the information age.

If this passes, we might as well just pack it up and kill off this hobby once and for all.

What we need is the absolute opposite of this bill. A bill that guarantees absolute anonymity online, and makes it a severe crime to use technology to track or collect data on any individual.
 
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Zarathustra[H] said:
Well, there it is right there. The end of human freedom in the information age.

If this passes, we might as well just pack it up and kill off this hobby once and for all.
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I propose an amendment to the bill. All households are now required to have at least one system within the house per person that has the ability to verify ages.
 
Darunion said:
I propose an amendment to the bill. All households are now required to have at least one system within the house per person that has the ability to verify ages.
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I propose a global legislation that requires all households to have one, well-maintained, fully functional guillotine.

Edit: Privacy needs to be a fundamental human right.
 
This is Age of Aquarius, Not the age of Control over people, The government is over stepping peoples boundaries.
 
DukenukemX said:
What I've learned recently is that it doesn't matter if you're Democrat of Republican. What matters is how much AIPAC money you receive.
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Meeho said:
1. What a charming notion that Democrat or Republican is any meaningful distinction when it comes to corporate money or government surveilance.

2. Midterms say hi.
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I'm trying to be optimistic... and I've also followed enough bills to know that many of them die in committee, even when they should theoretically clear a vote. And if I were a Democrat, I'd wait until after the midterms to increase the chances of a bill getting through.
 
vegeta535 said:
100% it doesn't matter if it is democrats or republicans it is going to be pushed through eventually. We at least have some republicans that are for the people. Won't be enough in the end.
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Perhaps on this particular topic sure. But at the end of the day most politicians don't think about their constituents as much as they do holding party lines according to what the party leader says to vote.
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
Well, there it is right there. The end of human freedom in the information age.

If this passes, we might as well just pack it up and kill off this hobby once and for all.

What we need is the4 absolute opposite of this bill. A bill that guarantees absolute anonymity online, and makes it a severe crime to use technology to track or collect data on any individual.
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And if the U.S does it, Canada will follow because U.S big tech will want that flag checked, and so now more countries will jump on-board as well. Sure EU wants to move to Linux, but they will just add their own version of it they control instead.
 
vegeta535 said:
The fact that they are starting is concerning enough. It might not pass this year or the next but once the democrats take back control in the next few years it will it will be push through 100%. This will also ve the start of even worse infringement policies.
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Agreed; it's when and how and not if.
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
Well, there it is right there. The end of human freedom in the information age.

If this passes, we might as well just pack it up and kill off this hobby once and for all.

What we need is the absolute opposite of this bill. A bill that guarantees absolute anonymity online, and makes it a severe crime to use technology to track or collect data on any individual.
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That kind of legislation needed to be passed a long time ago. Instead they let the tech companies and others just run wild out there.
 
Meeho said:
1. What a charming notion that Democrat or Republican is any meaningful distinction when it comes to corporate money or government surveilance.

2. Midterms say hi.
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Tsumi said:
Democrat or Republican has nothing to do with it- both sides are pushing age verification. Republican states and conservative countries (looking at you UK) the first with aggressive age verification laws.
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Big business wants this and PAC money flows to support candidates that will back this garbage. Doesn't matter what party is involved.

vegeta535 said:
100% it doesn't matter if it is democrats or republicans it is going to be pushed through eventually. We at least have some republicans that are for the people. Won't be enough in the end.
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I've heard out the "GOP for the people" argument in the past and given it a fair shake - I'm not particularly a fan of either party. Anymore though, Republicans (well current RINOs anyway) have had control of everything in federal government for over a year now. The result? Nada. Absolutely nothing of value to show for it. Just culture war nonsense that doesn't affect anyone I know and a bunch of dumbass policy that has made everything 2x as expensive. Bending over for big tech, bending over for AIPAC, bending over for anyone pushing domestic surveillance... the list of shame goes on.

Find me ANY candidates who aren't just trying to ratfuck the middle class and I'll gladly vote for them. The current crop of GOP sure aren't it.
 
Aurelius said:
I'm trying to be optimistic... and I've also followed enough bills to know that many of them die in committee, even when they should theoretically clear a vote. And if I were a Democrat, I'd wait until after the midterms to increase the chances of a bill getting through.
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The person behind the bill (Josh Gottheimer) is also behind the same bill for NJ. He's a senator from NJ. The NJ Bill (Empowering Parents to Protect Their Children’s Devices Act) has bipartisan support in NJ. I believe this would also get bipartisan support even in the house and senate. Except his version does consider that people enter a fake age. So of course, his version requires more verification. The silly thing is that his explanation is to prevent teen suicide because of AI chatbots. Universal healthcare because Americans absolutely have mental issues? Nah, we need to verify your age.
 
DukenukemX said:
The person behind the bill (Josh Gottheimer) is also behind the same bill for NJ. He's a senator from NJ. The NJ Bill (Empowering Parents to Protect Their Children’s Devices Act) has bipartisan support in NJ. I believe this would also get bipartisan support even in the house and senate. Except his version does consider that people enter a fake age. So of course, his version requires more verification. The silly thing is that his explanation is to prevent teen suicide because of AI chatbots. Universal healthcare because Americans absolutely have mental issues? Nah, we need to verify your age.
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It's all bullshit. This bill (and others like it) have absolutely nothing to do with the safety of children. That is just the classic "won't somebody please think of the children" red herring that is always used to make politicians fear voting against it, as they know it will turn up in opposition ads the next time they go for re-election.

This is 100% straight up and down a surveillance bill. It enables both tech companies and government to vacuum up even more data about individuals than is currently possible.

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Tech companies want to know even more about you for ads.

Government wants to keep track of all of your online activity, register your opinions and prosecute "thought crime."

"Thought crime does not entail death; thought crime IS death. In the end, we shall make thought crime literally impossible because there will be no words in which to express it"
 
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MrGuvernment said:
We knew it was going to come (See https://hardforum.com/threads/a-new...of-age-verification-at-account-setup.2046700/) ...first at a state level and now this is trying...

Will it get shot down, or will lobbyist get their way..

All Information (Except Text) for H.R.8250 - To require operating system providers to verify the age of any user of an operating system, and for other purposes.​

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/8250/all-info
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/119/hr8250

Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1slm3h1/a_new_bill_proposes_federal_age_verification_on/

So curious, how will this work for:
  • Kiosk machines
  • Server OS's
  • Terminals
  • Enterprises
Every employee going to have to provide ID to log into their work provided device...
Click to expand...
Are you an American? What is Canada doing? Why do you care? What business is it of yours?

I have a hard time taking a royal subject rather than a citizen seriously.
 
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FISA 702 is foreign surveillance, NOT national surveillance. BTW
 
Aurelius said:
It's not political commentary to note that this is a Democrat-sponsored bill in a Republican-controlled House, and it's starting in a committee.
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Correction: The bill is also sponsored (see cosponsor) by a Republican (Stefanik).
 
mullet said:
FISA 702 is foreign surveillance, NOT national surveillance. BTW
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While this thread has turned political (I get flagged, flamed and roasted for saying far more relevant things btw), it's considered foreign surveillance even if the person on the other end of the conversation is a USA citizen. Which is why there is push back. With that said, when it comes to "covert" things.... not sure there's some sort of "law" to prevent "whatever". It's like "war". Can we really say there are "nice ways" to engage in a war? "Foul, I cry foul!!"
 
I guess we can all scream about "our team" but this is about corporate rule. We're being turned into fucking livestock and the cock suckers that own our politicians are making damned sure the internet we see demonstrates how evil the other team is.

Give it a fucking rest, we have an enemy that has stolen our representation and is now starting to reap their crop.

It's us, we're the crop.
 
vegeta535 said:
100% it doesn't matter if it is democrats or republicans it is going to be pushed through eventually. We at least have some republicans that are for the people. Won't be enough in the end.
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You're thinking of libertarians. Libertarians, by the way, can span the full spectrum of conservative to liberal, so they're not unique to a party. Both Democrats and Republicans are for the most part authoritarian- the only difference is whose leader and ideology is flavor of the next two or four years.
 
Twisted Kidney said:
I guess we can all scream about "our team" but this is about corporate rule. We're being turned into fucking livestock and the cock suckers that own our politicians are making damned sure the internet we see demonstrates how evil the other team is.

Give it a fucking rest, we have an enemy that has stolen our representation and is now starting to reap their crop.

It's us, we're the crop.
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DooKey said:
Are you an American? What is Canada doing? Why do you care? What business is it of yours?

I have a hard time taking a royal subject rather than a citizen seriously.
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I am Canadian, and I care because often what the U.S does, Canada tends to follow closely behind. And since most big tech companies are American based, what they push, will impact Canada as well. I also have friends and family in the U.S.

But, ignore my post then if you only trust "citizens" opinions...which funny, in this thread, all seem to be the same as mine?
 
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