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Apple intros MacBook Neo: $599 with an iPhone chip

My m1 Mac mini with 8gb runs fine for most basic things. It was running Ableton live well as long as you didn’t want to load up huge sample libraries.

For a basic cheap corporate or school laptop that just needs to run Office, web browsing etc it’ll be more than enough.
 
Oh, sorry. Here's another more recent one.
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I already debunked Apple "ram" optimizations. See the Niktek video I posted before. Apple just hopes you won't notice.
A sample size of 15 doesn't really help man. It is also a very biased population: "I conducted a survey on a group of fifteen Digital Media majors to find out what their all-time favorite video games were."

You say "Sure..." to a point I made previously but I'm literally pulling quotes from the source YOU provided. You are arguing with your own sources
 
That 8GB of RAM isn't going to age well on the Neo. That 42GB for Acrobat Reader is insane but someone was trying to use it as a school computer.
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The two things I really don't like about this new laptop are that it's 8GB ram only and doesn't have Thunderbolt. Maybe 8GB is ok for classroom use or just office apps + web, but I'd want something a little more capable.

Thunderbolt is mostly because I have a TB4 dock I bought to use with my work-issued MacBook Pro. I want my next laptop to be able to use that thing. All the other Macs have worked with it for years, going back to the 2019 Intel Mac I had when I bought it. Lots of PCs do now too. Hell, TB4 is built into recent Intel CPUs.

The CPU actually doesn't worry me much. It's 2 P-cores and 4 E-cores... or whatever Apple calls them. At any rate the A18 pro isn't a lot slower in single thread tests than an M4, and the Neo might roughly keep up if they increased the clock speeds and power limits. It's not in a phone chassis anymore. Bigger battery, more surface area for cooling, etc. - I bet they could clock it higher. It's not going to win any contests in multithread, but 6 cores is enough for "basic" tasks.
 
Just verified that under Tahoe, the OS pulls 2.93GB of RAM sitting at the desktop (with all the default widgets on and running). On an 8GB laptop, that's gonna leave about 5GB for the applications. Safari with four tabs open takes... About 400MB. Pages (iWork version of MS Word) takes up about 400MB. Numbers (iWork version of MS Excel) takes up about 300MB. Keynote (iWork version of MS PowerPoint) takes up about 250MB. Let's add in Mail (120MB), Messages (100MB), and Discord (75MB), and you're up to 1.65GB of applications. This represents a standard college workload in a non-IT class. You've still got 3.3GB of RAM wasted, sitting there, doing nothing.

8GB of RAM is fine.
 
Just verified that under Tahoe, the OS pulls 2.93GB of RAM sitting at the desktop (with all the default widgets on and running). On an 8GB laptop, that's gonna leave about 5GB for the applications. Safari with four tabs open takes... About 400MB. Pages (iWork version of MS Word) takes up about 400MB. Numbers (iWork version of MS Excel) takes up about 300MB. Keynote (iWork version of MS PowerPoint) takes up about 250MB. Let's add in Mail (120MB), Messages (100MB), and Discord (75MB), and you're up to 1.65GB of applications. This represents a standard college workload in a non-IT class. You've still got 3.3GB of RAM wasted, sitting there, doing nothing.

8GB of RAM is fine.
Woot. Thanks for doing that. Fuck Chrome. Because you know Chrome with four tabs open wouldn't just be 400MB :)
 
Ugh. My mom has an iPhone and just got an android tablet. Fml.

But I get it. People tend to stay where they are used to. I think this laptop fits where someone wants a new Apple laptop but a smaller price tag. And I myself buy a lot of refurbished things, I know quite a few that aren’t comfortable with that.

I think this will do well but I worry they are going to just pull customers from their other product lines. Maybe margin is better on this I dunno.

Sometimes you have to launch something new to keep the buzz going anyways.
Honestly even the M1 chip is overkill for what the majority of casual users need as a processor but the architecture itself lacks some modern functionality.

These will fill that gap, while also getting the users access to software not available on iOS.

It’s honestly a product decently sorted to the market, there’s some argument to be made on the 8GB of RAM being insufficient…. But if they did add more it puts it into a whole different price bracket. So I understand it to some degree… and the hardware can compensate for the most part.
 
It’s honestly a product decently sorted to the market, there’s some argument to be made on the 8GB of RAM being insufficient…. But if they did add more it puts it into a whole different price bracket. So I understand it to some degree… and the hardware can compensate for the most part.
My gut says Apple originally intended to launch the Neo with more than one ram option but dropped back to 8GB only because ram prices went nuts. I wouldn't be surprised if the original intended launch price was $500 instead of $600 for the base model, but ram and storage costs forced an increase.
 
This literally proves nothing other than Acrobat being a resource hog.
Adobe has been caught doing AI training on users devices without their concent using their local work as training data, they have a pending lawsuit over it.

Adobe will eat every ounce of system ram it can as it does it.

People thought it was a memory leak, turns out to be working as intended…
 
Adobe has been caught doing AI training on users devices without their concent using their local work as training data, they have a pending lawsuit over it.
Is this the lawsuit over the author included in the SlimPajama dataset or something else? As in that case it was using pirated copies found online.
 
Garbage in my opinion. At least put a M processor in it. We'll see how it goes. Suckers born everyday and all that.

This thing is going to run nice and cool. Its going to be more then powerful enough for web browsing, word processing... its the perfect laptop for your aging parents, or university/college kids you don't really want gaming on the stupid thing anyway. Thin cool quite. Not seeing the down side really. Way better buy then a shitty horrible build quality chrome book, and way more powerful then a = priced windows thing.
Really I'm surprised Apple waited this long to use their mobile chips in this form factor.
 
That 8GB of RAM isn't going to age well on the Neo. That 42GB for Acrobat Reader is insane but someone was trying to use it as a school computer.
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My gut says Apple originally intended to launch the Neo with more than one ram option but dropped back to 8GB only because ram prices went nuts. I wouldn't be surprised if the original intended launch price was $500 instead of $600 for the base model, but ram and storage costs forced an increase.
Who actually loads 30gb+ PDFs. Something crazy happening in that screen. lol

Really Apple pioneered compressed ram space. They use a mix of WKdm to handle page file compression and LZ4 to handle data compression. 8gb of RAM on a Mac is = to around 20gb on a windows box for most people. The 8gb falls down if you are using data that is already heavily compressed. Which isn't going to be much of anything for the Neos intended target market. 99% of the time people using these things won't even have 4 or 5gb of data in RAM. 8GB of RAM on the Neo is going to be fine.
 
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This literally proves nothing other than Acrobat being a resource hog.
What's the default PDF tool on MacOS? I can't use Adobe Acrobat because Linux user, but I'm using whatever comes default with CachyOS. I don't actually know what it is but it works. As a normie laptop built for normie people, I think they'll use Acrobat, along with Chrome and Microsoft Office.
8GB of RAM is fine.
It wasn't fine before, so why is it fine now? The reason Apple went 16GB by default is because the backlash was hard.
The CPU actually doesn't worry me much. It's 2 P-cores and 4 E-cores... or whatever Apple calls them. At any rate the A18 pro isn't a lot slower in single thread tests than an M4, and the Neo might roughly keep up if they increased the clock speeds and power limits. It's not in a phone chassis anymore. Bigger battery, more surface area for cooling, etc. - I bet they could clock it higher. It's not going to win any contests in multithread, but 6 cores is enough for "basic" tasks.
There are two problems with the CPU. Three if you're like and hate ARM, but lets pretend that doesn't matter. First, this had better be as good or better than an M2. Apple was putting M2's in everything like tablets and their Vision Pro. I'm wiling to bet the M2 is cheap enough that it could be put into these Neo's. Second, the CPU isn't even current generation iPhone SoC. Would explain why one of the USB-C ports is USB2.0. A18 pro is not even the latest iPhone chip. At least no notch.

View: https://youtu.be/z2xkQHxceDs?si=qPiwuxXaJb7bWeLv
 
Just verified that under Tahoe, the OS pulls 2.93GB of RAM sitting at the desktop (with all the default widgets on and running). On an 8GB laptop, that's gonna leave about 5GB for the applications. Safari with four tabs open takes... About 400MB. Pages (iWork version of MS Word) takes up about 400MB. Numbers (iWork version of MS Excel) takes up about 300MB. Keynote (iWork version of MS PowerPoint) takes up about 250MB. Let's add in Mail (120MB), Messages (100MB), and Discord (75MB), and you're up to 1.65GB of applications. This represents a standard college workload in a non-IT class. You've still got 3.3GB of RAM wasted, sitting there, doing nothing.

8GB of RAM is fine.

Sure... but you used Apple apps... which sorry, that doesn't honestly hack it at a University/Collage level. You can sorta get away with it, if your classes are light enough... but usually they aren't and your going to need actual MS Office 365 and it's not as resource light. Add in Zoom, MS Teams and Acrobat... using this thing will be a struggle. And with no upgradability on that craptasticly low amount of ram, it'll be e-waste in short order.
 
Just verified that under Tahoe, the OS pulls 2.93GB of RAM sitting at the desktop (with all the default widgets on and running). On an 8GB laptop, that's gonna leave about 5GB for the applications. Safari with four tabs open takes... About 400MB. Pages (iWork version of MS Word) takes up about 400MB. Numbers (iWork version of MS Excel) takes up about 300MB. Keynote (iWork version of MS PowerPoint) takes up about 250MB. Let's add in Mail (120MB), Messages (100MB), and Discord (75MB), and you're up to 1.65GB of applications. This represents a standard college workload in a non-IT class. You've still got 3.3GB of RAM wasted, sitting there, doing nothing.

8GB of RAM is fine.
This is not really representative...I opened discord and haven't even entered any servers and this is my usage:


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Woot. Thanks for doing that. Fuck Chrome. Because you know Chrome with four tabs open wouldn't just be 400MB :)
It's the same really, browsers gonna browser.

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I'd assume Safari. The only time I ever see people using Adobe Acrobat or whatever is when IT demands it or for digital signatures
the default PDF viewer is preview which is pretty useless.
Sure... but you used Apple apps... which sorry, that doesn't honestly hack it at a University/Collage level. You can sorta get away with it, if your classes are light enough... but usually they aren't and your going to need actual MS Office 365 and it's not as resource light. Add in Zoom, MS Teams and Acrobat... using this thing will be a struggle. And with no upgradability on that craptasticly low amount of ram, it'll be e-waste in short order.
Teams...lol, kills your battery and memory.

Who actually loads 30gb+ PDFs. Something crazy happening in that screen. lol

Really Apple pioneered compressed ram space. They use a mix of WKdm to handle page file compression and LZ4 to handle data compression. 8gb of RAM on a Mac is = to around 20gb on a windows box for most people. The 8gb falls down if you are using data that is already heavily compressed. Which isn't going to be much of anything for the Neos intended target market. 99% of the time people using these things won't even have 4 or 5gb of data in RAM. 8GB of RAM on the Neo is going to be fine.
On my personal I have 10GB used and 300MB compressed and my work one 22GB used and 1,1GB compressed, not sure what the difference is since most of it is web browsers. I have safari open on my personal and firefox on my work but the other apps are the same (vivaldi, chrome, outlook, textedit, textmate). Perhaps it's because I just rebooted my personal where the work one has been on for quite a while.


I imagine Apple used all of the telemetry data they take from us to validate that this spec is fine for a lot of basic users otherwise I don't think they would sell it to be honest.
 
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Is this the lawsuit over the author included in the SlimPajama dataset or something else? As in that case it was using pirated copies found online.
I might be confusing the Adobe lawsuits with Adobe just being bad.

I could swear that there was a specific lawsuit about the local AI assistant training off local user data… but that may just be my old ass brain combining their previous EULA controversy with the upcoming AI training data copyright stuff.

Either way the Adobe AI assistant gobbles memory like Homer does doughnuts.
 
This thing is going to run nice and cool. Its going to be more then powerful enough for web browsing, word processing... its the perfect laptop for your aging parents, or university/college kids you don't really want gaming on the stupid thing anyway. Thin cool quite. Not seeing the down side really. Way better buy then a shitty horrible build quality chrome book, and way more powerful then a = priced windows thing.
Really I'm surprised Apple waited this long to use their mobile chips in this form factor.
Apple selling out when they absolutely do not need to. The air was low enough. Maybe if they had limited it to k-12.
 
Apple selling out when they absolutely do not need to. The air was low enough. Maybe if they had limited it to k-12.
Its coming in at a much lower price point. In Canada the starting price on a neo is almost half the price of a Air.
I'm not saying this mobile chip neo is for everyone. I believe the market is actually pretty large. A lot of people that don't even own PCs anymore, just using their phones for everything they would have used a PC for a decade ago. These are a nice in between. I mean you can get even cheaper chrome books and windows laptops with crap screens... those things just remind people why they gave up on PCs. Shitified laptops have really hurt the PC market.

Personally I think of my parents who both have mid range windows laptops and do nothing but bitch about them. Aluminum case, no shitty flexing plastic, charges with a phone charger. Mag safe is cool and all but just having a USBC charging port is convenient. Everyone has multiple phone chargers scattered in their living space. Better screen then most inexpensive laptops, and great battery life.

Apple is going to sell these things. It's really hard to recommend any windows laptop in the same price range. Sure it would be nice if it had more storage without paying a crazy apple tax for another 256gb. Really though USBC external storage is fine. These aren't for heavy anything really. They are Apples answer to the chrome book.
 
Apple selling out when they absolutely do not need to. The air was low enough. Maybe if they had limited it to k-12.
One of the jobs I have at work could easily be done with one of these as all we need are a few spread sheets open, a couple of browser windows and an application that links back to a centralised database. The laptops for the task are communal so whoever is doing it that day just uses the same laptop. The only reason they couldn't easily switch is that the industry I'm in is heavily government regulated and the application that links back to a central database (glorified GUI) is only written for windows. Getting a ported version approved would probably take months/years.
 
Who actually loads 30gb+ PDFs. Something crazy happening in that screen. lol

Really Apple pioneered compressed ram space. They use a mix of WKdm to handle page file compression and LZ4 to handle data compression. 8gb of RAM on a Mac is = to around 20gb on a windows box for most people. The 8gb falls down if you are using data that is already heavily compressed. Which isn't going to be much of anything for the Neos intended target market. 99% of the time people using these things won't even have 4 or 5gb of data in RAM. 8GB of RAM on the Neo is going to be fine.

But that depends on what kind of data you process. Text and post-uncompression PDFs are compressible. But audio and image data are not compressible with universal lossless algorithms.

But then I don't think too many audio processing users are doing to buy one of these suckers.
 
But that depends on what kind of data you process. Text and post-uncompression PDFs are compressible. But audio and image data are not compressible with universal lossless algorithms.

But then I don't think too many audio processing users are doing to buy one of these suckers.

That is what I'm figuring. Macs are loved for their audio processing, having said that if you really want professional audio or video production you should move up. For some basic audio production though, I mean samples and live tracks are generally uncompressed. I don't know how this thing would handle something like Abelton, but I suspect better then most would assume.

I imagine though most people will be using these to browse the internet check email and do some basic word processing. Most of that stuff is going to compress 3x. I look forward to seeing people review and test/push these things. They aren't going to be powerhouses. They will still probably be fairly impressive when compared against other lower end laptops.

It would be interesting to know exactly how Apple is setup to compress their ram systems. As I understand it they use a dual algorithm WKdm and LZ4. WKdm deals more with hugepage support. It isn't a general compression it is a directory based method designed to compact 4k pages. Linux can be setup to run in the same way but as far as I know no distros are defaulting to it. I personally use always on hugepage support with LZ4 Zram... but have my ram defrag setup to defer+madvise. It means my system is much more aggressive on hugepage creating and compressing... but is also not causing micro-stutter defragging ram in the background while under pressure. Most default distro kernels use madvise hugepage settings instead as they are just more reliable on most hardware. It's too bad Apple doesn't share notes. lol
 
My gut says Apple originally intended to launch the Neo with more than one ram option but dropped back to 8GB only because ram prices went nuts. I wouldn't be surprised if the original intended launch price was $500 instead of $600 for the base model, but ram and storage costs forced an increase.

Doubtful, this was designed to capture the upper end Chromebook market in the education sector. The A18 Pro was designed with 8GB of ram as SoC and if they're just repurposing it for this cheaper laptop, why would they go out of their way to make a 16GB version?
 
It's an intel chip. Does the apple silicon magically handle ram in such a way that 8GB is sufficient? And even if your 8GB is fine now, what about the next OS? Last year the base model everything had 16GB of RAM. It's such a weird step to me that Apple wouldn't just let that be the bar and then have every model that's not the base model exceed that bar. Not lower it back down for the budget model.

Yes, look at when they switched to SoC Apple silicon with the M1, the base processor was designed from the ground up with 8GB of ram for entry level products and they still run Tahoe much better than my i9 32GB 2019 MBP. The only thing my i9 does better is allow me to have a hundred chrome tabs open to chew up all of that memory. The Intel CPU you're using is ancient at this point which is why they aren't supporting any of them past Tahoe.
 
Either way, the presence of a large userbase with 8 GB RAM is bound to "help" Apple's OS developers to be conservative with RAM consumption.
 
Either way, the presence of a large userbase with 8 GB RAM is bound to "help" Apple's OS developers to be conservative with RAM consumption.
Exactly, if people can cope with the steam machine having 8GB VRAM by saying devs will have to actually optimize to hit that market, then the Macbook of all things can do it as well.
 
Doubtful, this was designed to capture the upper end Chromebook market in the education sector. The A18 Pro was designed with 8GB of ram as SoC and if they're just repurposing it for this cheaper laptop, why would they go out of their way to make a 16GB version?
Except the Chromebook market died. This is why Google is now moving forward with Android instead. This is more about taking market share away from Windows, and there's a lot better options with Windows machines.
Either way, the presence of a large userbase with 8 GB RAM is bound to "help" Apple's OS developers to be conservative with RAM consumption.
That's copium. Developers are not going to develop applications with 8GB in mind. You're likely going to have to avoid multitasking on these devices, or at the very least just deal with it being 5x slower.
Exactly, if people can cope with the steam machine having 8GB VRAM by saying devs will have to actually optimize to hit that market, then the Macbook of all things can do it as well.
8GB of VRAM being equal to the Neo's 8GB is not a flex. That's just sad for the Neo, and the people who bought them.
 
Except the Chromebook market died. This is why Google is now moving forward with Android instead. This is more about taking market share away from Windows, and there's a lot better options with Windows machines.

The entire secondary education market is still on Chromebooks for the most part. It's the cheapest way to get every child a computing device. Just because Google has stated they're going to merge ChromeOS and Android in the next few years doesn't mean those devices aren't going to be produced with the new OS.

Apple is directly marketing the Neo for the educational market with Educational pricing and trade-in programs: https://education.apple.com/resource/250014900
 
I know this is a bit old, but I want to call this out as a poor bid at correcting an already huge mistake.

The newer survey is a student write-up from 2021, and asked... 15 digital media majors. Fifteen. That makes the data effectively useless. Even the ESA data the student cites isn't very useful, as it doesn't tell us what people play and on what platforms.

What we need, and don't actually have, is a geuniely large study (thousands of respondents across a range of demographics) that not only covers where people play, but what they play and how often. Someone who plays Candy Crush or Balatro an hour each week isn't the same as someone who's already playing Marathon a couple of hours every day. The Marathon player needs a reasonably quick Windows PC or console; the Candy Crush type can play on just about any computer or their phone.
 
The entire secondary education market is still on Chromebooks for the most part. It's the cheapest way to get every child a computing device. Just because Google has stated they're going to merge ChromeOS and Android in the next few years doesn't mean those devices aren't going to be produced with the new OS.

Apple is directly marketing the Neo for the educational market with Educational pricing and trade-in programs: https://education.apple.com/resource/250014900
Let's not forget repair. Repairing a Chromebook is substantially easier than Mac of any type to repair. Students beat the hell of out of devices and being able to quickly swap a keyboard or LCD is important.

And before anyone says "Apple is more durable so you don't have to repair them as often..." I had someone I work with the other day tell me she had a few pieces of paper with a staple in it on her keyboard and shut the lid on her Macbook and it cracked the screen.
 
Let's not forget repair. Repairing a Chromebook is substantially easier than Mac of any type to repair. Students beat the hell of out of devices and being able to quickly swap a keyboard or LCD is important.

And before anyone says "Apple is more durable so you don't have to repair them as often..." I had someone I work with the other day tell me she had a few pieces of paper with a staple in it on her keyboard and shut the lid on her Macbook and it cracked the screen.

Apple has lower repair prices for the Neo than for other Macbooks when done under the Applecare+ Program, costs are half the price of the Macbook Air

https://support.apple.com/mac-laptops/repair?services=applecare

  • Battery service $0
  • Screen damage $49
  • External enclosure damage $49
  • Other accidental damage $149
 
And before anyone says "Apple is more durable so you don't have to repair them as often..." I had someone I work with the other day tell me she had a few pieces of paper with a staple in it on her keyboard and shut the lid on her Macbook and it cracked the screen.
Remember "don't put tape over your webcam or you'll crack your screen"?
 
The entire secondary education market is still on Chromebooks for the most part. It's the cheapest way to get every child a computing device. Just because Google has stated they're going to merge ChromeOS and Android in the next few years doesn't mean those devices aren't going to be produced with the new OS.
That just means that Chromebooks or now known as Androidbooks are going to not expand into the Windows market.
Apple is directly marketing the Neo for the educational market with Educational pricing and trade-in programs: https://education.apple.com/resource/250014900
Even at $500 with a $100 discount, it doesn't mean will jump all over the Neo. You can still buy two Chromebooks for the price of one Neo. Though I will admit, the Neo is 1000X times better than any Chromebook. Though a cheap Windows laptop is also 1000X times better. I think the reason schools went with Chromebooks was because they were easier to lock down while also still being cheaper than Windows. There are plenty of dirt cheap Windows laptops.
 
That just means that Chromebooks or now known as Androidbooks are going to not expand into the Windows market.

Even at $500 with a $100 discount, it doesn't mean will jump all over the Neo. You can still buy two Chromebooks for the price of one Neo. Though I will admit, the Neo is 1000X times better than any Chromebook. Though a cheap Windows laptop is also 1000X times better. I think the reason schools went with Chromebooks was because they were easier to lock down while also still being cheaper than Windows. There are plenty of dirt cheap Windows laptops.

There are plenty of dirt cheap Windows laptops, but you aren't getting comparable specs to include the screen, webcam, weight and battery life for $500. The Neo's 2.7 pound weight and 13" size alone makes it great for middle schoolers who have to change classes every period. Nobody wants to lug around a 5+ lb, 15"+ FHD resolution laptop along with a charging brick since its battery won't last a full day.
 
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