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Windows 11 new Start Menus Insider Build

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The Catagory thing seems kinda pointless but I suppose it's better than scrolling though the apps A-Z. Some people don't even use the Start button or Menu
 
note that this is just a test feature in the canary build from the beginning of june. it may never actually release the way shown....
 
pendragon1 said:
not sure when mine flipped but its been like that for a bit.
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I just looked and neither my work laptop nor my personal desktop have it, altho the work laptop might not be on 25H2 yet, I haven't checked.
 
I still haven't gotten it, but after enabling it with ViveTool, I don't really want it. It's monstrously tall and there's no setting to adjust it. The categories cannot be edited or tweaked. They just show up and hopefully you like them. They're also just folders, which you can already make on your own. Literally the only good thing about it is that the "recommended" section is finally gone.

Maybe once they roll it out to everyone it'll come with tweaking options. Either that or maybe someone will devise some registry edits that'll let you adjust some of that stuff on your own. Until then, I actually like the current menu with the stupid "recommended" section intact.
 
Domingo said:
I still haven't gotten it, but after enabling it with ViveTool, I don't really want it. It's monstrously tall and there's no setting to adjust it. The categories cannot be edited or tweaked. They just show up and hopefully you like them. They're also just folders, which you can already make on your own. Literally the only good thing about it is that the "recommended" section is finally gone.

Maybe once they roll it out to everyone it'll come with tweaking options. Either that or maybe someone will devise some registry edits that'll let you adjust some of that stuff on your own. Until then, I actually like the current menu with the stupid "recommended" section intact.
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Yeah, the current Recommended section is *great*.
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Domingo said:
I hear ya, but once you try the new one that covers 75% of your screen you'll be begging for that empty space to return. Then again, there's always the option to totally kill it off if you have Windows 11 Pro, too.
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I already have it on one machine; I posted a screenshot above. I don't like either version, but the older one, where All was accessed via a button, was better.
 
I'm still on 24H2 waiting for the update in settings since I hit a glitch at 46% last time I tried via usb. Going to update it today just have to uncheck updates so it doesn't get stuck at 46%
 
I installed everything in 25H2 except the Insider build I still don't see the new and improved menu even right clicked on the Menu to see if I could change it.
 
You can luckily also use ViveTool to reverse back to the old Start menu by using "disable" instead of "enable." Might be interesting to try that after the new menu rolls out universally.
 
Is this service pack 3? What are even the progress check point considerations for WIN11?

I mean, what I mean to type is. I didn't get Win 10 until Service pack 2. same for windows 7.
 
25H2 update released in Fall but even with current updates it won't show up. The general public doesnt like it from what I read but they have no choice.
 
Windows is in such an odd place right now. There are a few teams legitimately doing good things over there. Things like the PC Manager and like 1/2 of the PowerToys programs should be part of the core OS, but they aren't. Tools that work well and improve the OS. You then have the main OS team making strange arbitrary decisions like this new Start Menu. It's not like those changes are even pushing users toward MS's AI or data collection or anything that would benefit the company. It's almost like they're just trying to stay busy by A/B testing. If Apple would ever embrace gaming (or if Linux could finally get where I want it to be) I'd leave and never come back.
 
I'm updating to Windows Insider hoping to get this darn Start Menu :p just the Beta builds I guess one of these build Patches Win 11 explore not working resulting in freezes.
I'm on the latest Insider Build with the Beta program still no new Start Menu. I unenrolled with the program but not completely since that would require a new install.
 
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Comixbooks said:
I'm updating to Windows Insider hoping to get this darn Start Menu :p just the Beta builds I guess one of these build Patches Win 11 explore not working resulting in freezes.
I'm on the latest Insider Build with the Beta program still no new Start Menu. I unenrolled with the program but not completely since that would require a new install.
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Just use ViveTool if you really want it that bad. That way you arent having to deal with a bunch of other beta/unpolished stuff in the preview builds.
 
I had to roll back to the previous build causes me weird eyestrain due to mismatched Nvidia drivers and the Beta O.S. something I had problems with in the past.
 
1_rick said:
With a 5K ultrawide, I don't mind the start menu being in the middle.
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Interesting, I guess a centered start menu does make sense in this case. I couldn't really think of a scenario before where anybody would want this
 
My work laptop (that I only turn on once a month) just got the new Stat Menu with the update from yesterday.
 
Domingo said:
My work laptop (that I only turn on once a month) just got the new Stat Menu with the update from yesterday.
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It's frustrating for me because I have some reg settings being pushed out to customize Start for work and I'm not sure how the new one will respond to the settings, but there's no way to force it on/off for people and I'm not gonna push Vive scripting out to each one.
 
How the fuck does anything this terrible get released to the public? I understand wanting to push people toward their AI/copilot/recommended sections to push the illusion of their investment paying off, but the UIX is worse than a 12 year old would implement

A somewhat centralized, stable Linux distro can’t come soon enough. Mint, bazzite, cachyOS, fedora, Ubuntu etc should really do some small consolidation and they’d have legit chance against Windows. Zorin also looks very interesting, but it’s basically Linux designed to look like Win10.
 
If you stick with one Linux distro long enough it grows on you to the point that you really don't want or need anything else. That's the way it is with me and Mint. It does everything I need an OS to do and I've gotten used to it's ways and really don't want anything else. It's been remarkably stable over the years. There's been very few major changes over the years and that's a good thing as far as I'm concerned. They did recently change the start menu (monkey see monkey do? I hope not). But it's not a stupid or drastic change so I can live with it. If they were to remove all the stupidness from Linux networking I'd have no need for Windows at all.
 
yinzerniner said:
but the UIX
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and the whole point of going to a modern XAML, leaving win95 legacy code behind must have been sold into in part looking nicer, yet ended up looking like this.

End of the day, installer history of not doing things right in the start menu seem impossible for them to overcome and windows really does not made the transistion easy imo, so much they should have kept the windows 7 era sub folders, modern guideline does not get followed by people (I know we do not for the apps we do)
 
what, like these subfolders?!
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i still dont get the hang up on the friggin start menu. how much time are you guys actually spending in there and why arent you making shortcuts or pinning shit?
 
pendragon1 said:
what, like these subfolders?!
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no the adobe acrobat, adobe acrobat distiller being under adobe style, if a click all apps, my solidworks 2024 install has 4 folder/exe in the root instead of being in a single one (and autodesk is a different folder), people do not make installer that respect how they get read or they do not accept them, they try to push for a single shortcut being installed per applications and for it to appear directly in all apps has a design choice.

A bit llike a giant amount of the first days of windows vista was people for years not enforcing design rules (like not having your program creating/changing files in the program files which is not made for data and so on), start menu design change need dev community to buy in of some strict enforcement, neither seem to have happened to modern start menu, it is now not 100% windows 8 flat but a mixed hybrid people does not seem sure how to use.
 
lol "design rules"... they are going to make it how they want, there are no "rules".
you can reorganized them in here: C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs
i just dumped all my cisco stuff into one folder:
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